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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
They could make Samus wear flip-flops and stick rockets on those.
Doesn't mean they wouldn't look bad.
And Raiden's boots don't clash with the rest of his outfit.
And he's probably a robot or something, I haven't played Revengence.
Doesn't mean they wouldn't look bad.
And Raiden's boots don't clash with the rest of his outfit.
And he's probably a robot or something, I haven't played Revengence.
Yeah he's totally a robot.
Still you said an item can serve either form or function. If it serves a function, it doesn't need to look good or match the rest of the outfit.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yeah I think some of you guys missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear enough so let me try again.
When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
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When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
Make sense?
Oh no, I just ignored your point on purpose and went with the whole sarcasm route, though I think people took me seriously. I just laugh at the idea of real world women trying to do this kind of stuff in high heels. Video games, it makes sense because of video games, so I have no problem.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yeah I think some of you guys missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear enough so let me try again.
When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
Make sense?
When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
Make sense?
Oh no, I just ignored your point on purpose and went with the whole sarcasm route, though I think people took me seriously. I just laugh at the idea of real world women trying to do this kind of stuff in high heels. Video games, it makes sense because of video games, so I have no problem.
I thought you were serious because you mentioned how much fun it'd be to go shoe-shopping with Samus.
Because I'd totally have a blast doing that.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
dullahan1 wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yeah I think some of you guys missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear enough so let me try again.
When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
Make sense?
When it comes to a character's costume design, you can go with form, function, or if you're lucky, both. Giving Samus stiletto heels would obviously be leaning more towards option number 1 since wearing shoes like that into battle just isn't practical (and I'm perfectly fine with that, it's certainly not the first time a female character's been given a sexualized outfit, nor is it anywhere near the most extreme example.) However, when said heels are ugly-ass neon yellow...things, it kind of takes away from the point of making her wear heels like that in the first place. If they aren't attractive and it doesn't make logical sense for Samus to be wearing something like that into a combat situation, it doesn't meet either of the criteria I mentioned and so is (in my opinion, anyway) a poor design choice.
Make sense?
Oh no, I just ignored your point on purpose and went with the whole sarcasm route, though I think people took me seriously. I just laugh at the idea of real world women trying to do this kind of stuff in high heels. Video games, it makes sense because of video games, so I have no problem.
I thought you were serious because you mentioned how much fun it'd be to go shoe-shopping with Samus.
Because I'd totally have a blast doing that.
Hey, it's the first step in totally becoming BFFs with her. Just wait until the time comes where you guys will have sleepovers, stay up late talking about boys, trying on each other's clothes, ya know, like her varia suit, which you can then run with and go around shooting the heck outta whatever you want. I was serious because it sounded like a good time.
On topic, I'm gonna say that if they bring back a Mother character, I'd rather Lucas over Ness to be honest. I liked his control and attack options much better than Ness's. I'm not really upset about making the changing characters two separate characters. For Samus, I didn't like the Smash Ball changing my playstyle. For Sheik, I'd probably be more upset if her character didn't suck in Brawl. I mained Sheik in Melee, got one taste of her in Brawl, and hated how much they nerfed her. Zelda got better, but I never really mained Zelda much so, meh. If Sheik is better in this game, I'll be happy. If not, I'll cross my fingers and hope I can still use Pikachu as my comfort zone until I can find someone I'd love maining. Really hoping I'll like Mega Man.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I thought you were serious because you mentioned how much fun it'd be to go shoe-shopping with Samus.
Because I'd totally have a blast doing that.
Because I'd totally have a blast doing that.
Wouldn't Peach be a better choice? Better fashion sense, and she must have a vault full of coins to spend, being a princess and all. Unless she can swipe Toad like a credit card.
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Hey, it's the first step in totally becoming BFFs with her. Just wait until the time comes where you guys will have sleepovers, stay up late talking about boys, trying on each other's clothes, ya know, like her varia suit, which you can then run with and go around shooting the heck outta whatever you want. I was serious because it sounded like a good time.
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Wouldn't Peach be a better choice? Better fashion sense, and she must have a vault full of coins to spend, being a princess and all. Unless she can swipe Toad like a credit card.
Yeah but then every time I tried calling her I'd get one of her Toads saying she was in another castle and I'd ask whose and they'd say Bowser's 95% of the time and I'd ask when she was due back and they'd say she's waiting for the plumber to show up and you know how reliable plumbers are, they might not get there for ages if ever
Besides, having to save and protect her all the time would get annoying fast. Looking for a bestie, not a waifu.
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Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
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I wonder if they're getting rid of "copies" altogether. I never did understand why we needed Fox, Falco AND Wolf in the same game when their playstyles were very similar.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
I was ok with Wolf because he was different in that he was sort of a heavyweight version of Fox so there was enough difference there for me.
Fox and Falco were just identical for me mind.
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Perhaps Ness and Lucas might be around as a palette swap of each other, like how they change models for Wii Fit Trainer.
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Pierre wrote:
Thane wrote:
I wonder if they're getting rid of "copies" altogether. I never did understand why we needed Fox, Falco AND Wolf in the same game when their playstyles were very similar.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
I was ok with Wolf because he was different in that he was sort of a heavyweight version of Fox so there was enough difference there for me.
Fox and Falco were just identical for me mind.
Also @Dullahan
Perhaps Ness and Lucas might be around as a palette swap of each other, like how they change models for Wii Fit Trainer.
I get your point, but their special abilities were more or less the same, which I just find boring. Sure, there were variations, but I really didn't think it justified being THREE of them in the same game. Hell even Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are too similar in my mind, even though one of them is much slower but slightly more powerful than the other. At least Ike and Marth felt different.
Hm, after reading some comments on the latest Nintendo Direct and subsequently losing a lot of faith in humanity, I don't think I'm ever going to whine about a character appearing/not appearing ever again.
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Thane wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Thane wrote:
I wonder if they're getting rid of "copies" altogether. I never did understand why we needed Fox, Falco AND Wolf in the same game when their playstyles were very similar.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
I was ok with Wolf because he was different in that he was sort of a heavyweight version of Fox so there was enough difference there for me.
Fox and Falco were just identical for me mind.
Also @Dullahan
Perhaps Ness and Lucas might be around as a palette swap of each other, like how they change models for Wii Fit Trainer.
I get your point, but their special abilities were more or less the same, which I just find boring. Sure, there were variations, but I really didn't think it justified being THREE of them in the same game. Hell even Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are too similar in my mind, even though one of them is much slower but slightly more powerful than the other. At least Ike and Marth felt different.
Hm, after reading some comments on the latest Nintendo Direct and subsequently losing a lot of faith in humanity, I don't think I'm ever going to whine about a character appearing/not appearing ever again.
Oh dear, what happened.
Yeah Wolf's abilities are essentially the same just tweaked, but hey my main is Luigi so it's not much different. I like how Wolf's Up B has that extra kick at the end for a nice bit of punch and that the blaster can knock back up close. He's also got a meteor on his Side B unlike Fox and Falco but just like Fox and Falco I feel those Side B dash attacks get me killed more than is useful.
Also...he's just straight up cool and I like his powerful regular moves compared to Fox's which always felt weak. However yeah I imagine Wolf will probably get dropped. I think the most glaring problem is that all their final smashes as practically identical and it's a real let down if you have multiple of them in a match as there's little variety to the Final Smashes.
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Pierre wrote:
Oh dear, what happened.
Yeah Wolf's abilities are essentially the same just tweaked, but hey my main is Luigi so it's not much different. I like how Wolf's Up B has that extra kick at the end for a nice bit of punch and that the blaster can knock back up close. He's also got a meteor on his Side B unlike Fox and Falco but just like Fox and Falco I feel those Side B dash attacks get me killed more than is useful.
Also...he's just straight up cool and I like his powerful regular moves compared to Fox's which always felt weak. However yeah I imagine Wolf will probably get dropped. I think the most glaring problem is that all their final smashes as practically identical and it's a real let down if you have multiple of them in a match as there's little variety to the Final Smashes.
"when r nintendo going to add shadow and tails omg"
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Yeah...something along those lines, and sadly not exaggerated. While I think my demands are a bit more credible than those of the drooling masses of the youtube comment section (like Lucina due to fanbase popularity and Awakening success, and Fire Emblem characters have had two slots since Brawl, and a remade Ganondorf, who shouldn't be relying this heavily on hand-to-hand combat in the first place), it sort of makes me reluctant to wish for new characters, since I might be mistaken for those mouth-breathers.
Oh sure, I agree, I occasionally play Falco, for instance, but I wouldn't mind it if Fox was the only one from the Star Fox game this time around. It sure does look like they're trying to balance things out and make each character more distinct, which I wholeheartedly approve of.
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*cough* *splutter* Uh... okay, I know Ghirahim is someone I absolutely want in this game and he's a factor in whether I will or will not buy the game, be it for U or 3DS. But considering what has been revealed to date, it doesn't sound like I'd buy the game, anyway, so...
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Thane wrote:
I wonder if they're getting rid of "copies" altogether. I never did understand why we needed Fox, Falco AND Wolf in the same game when their playstyles were very similar.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
Of course, we still have Toon Link and Link, so maybe it's too much to hope for. Oh well, all I ask for is Lucina and a remade Ganondorf.
The Link/Toon Link situation is different, however. Character specs and physics aside, they represent two different directions from the same series, while the Star Fox characters don't have such a distinction.
Pierre wrote:
Perhaps Ness and Lucas might be around as a palette swap of each other, like how they change models for Wii Fit Trainer.
Oh, how the Earthbound fanbase would revolt if that ever happened. I remember there actually being outrage at Ness and Lucas using PK Starstorm, so I could just imagine what would happen if they just made one a palette swap of the other. Cries of "Ness/Lucas doesn't use that move/weapon!" abound. Not that I think it will come to that, though. I believe we'll probably just get one or the other, not both. Most likely Ness, but I prefer Lucas's moveset, personally.
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It just occured to me (sorry, if this already has been brought up), that Lloyd from ToS may be a viable choose, Namco Bandai-character wise, thoughts?
You could probably make a decent moveset for him and all, but his level of popularity and familiarity with the target audience have to be taken into account as well. While Tales of Symphonia was popular at the time, there have been many Tales games since then, most of them without Lloyd and on competing consoles to boot. Not only that, but there are quite a few Bandai Namco characters that would likely be prioritized in consideration for the game ahead of him.
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Hm, after reading some comments on the latest Nintendo Direct and subsequently losing a lot of faith in humanity, I don't think I'm ever going to whine about a character appearing/not appearing ever again.
Like, on YouTube? Because the comments sections for every video are always a cesspool of hatred and ignorance. That's why I stay away from there, and fandom-specific places like Smashboards.
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I remember reading something about Nintendo's policy regarding their characters. Apparently characters have to be portrayed in their most recent character design for some reason.
But that doesn't quite make sense either, since Zelda still has her TP outfit...
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Oh, I missed this during my Fashion with Franzise posts the other day.
But that doesn't quite make sense either, since Zelda still has her TP outfit...
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I remember reading something about Nintendo's policy regarding their characters. Apparently characters have to be portrayed in their most recent character design for some reason.
But that doesn't quite make sense either, since Zelda still has her TP outfit...
Hmm... you're right... Well fuck, and Marth's design is from Shadow Dragon instead of Awakening. I got nothin then >:|
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Oh, I missed this during my Fashion with Franzise posts the other day.
But that doesn't quite make sense either, since Zelda still has her TP outfit...
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I remember reading something about Nintendo's policy regarding their characters. Apparently characters have to be portrayed in their most recent character design for some reason.
But that doesn't quite make sense either, since Zelda still has her TP outfit...
They didn't use her Skyward appearance because then people would complain that she never displayed any decent fighting powers in Skyward itself. Trust me, I would complain about that. Would've saved me doing her shit, that stupid little...!
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I hate saying it and I would be so pissed if it happened... but they would probably bring in Yuri as a Tales Of representative. Because by God, everyone seems to think Vesperia IS SO FREAKING AWESOME! I swear it's like the Tales Of version of Final Fantasy VII...
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I'm fairly sure that if there was a Tales character, it'd at least be one that's been on a Nintendo console.
Symphonia you reckon then?
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I'm fairly sure that if there was a Tales character, it'd at least be one that's been on a Nintendo console.
I agree with this. (Although has Snake been on any Nintendo consoles? I know there's the 3DS version of MGS3, but that's Naked Snake, not Solid Snake, so...)
So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I'm fairly sure that if there was a Tales character, it'd at least be one that's been on a Nintendo console.
I agree with this. (Although has Snake been on any Nintendo consoles? I know there's the 3DS version of MGS3, but that's Naked Snake, not Solid Snake, so...)
So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
The first few Metal Gear games were actually on Nintendo consoles, IIRC.
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So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
No! Nonono, they keep that annoying, bland brat out of my Smash Bros game...! I know a lot of people find Luke to be more annoying - pre- and post-haircut - but at least he had some damn good reasons for acting that way. Emil is annoying when he isn't bland as toast. Also, you think the younger kiddies are actually gonna get the part where he has a split personality of a deity inside of him? They wouldn't get it.
Using Luke has a similar problem. If they use him with long hair, he'll be annoying and people will hate Tales of the Abyss, refusing to play the game because this asshat is the main character. Using him after the haircut, he'll be too depressed, questioning his existence or even flat-out thinking if killing himself will actually repent for his bad deeds. Too depressing and "dark" for a Nintendo Smash game.
Much as I don't want to see Lloyd, he'd be a decent pick. He's an unrealistic idealist. It's perfect for Nintendo. (As long as they make his alternate outfits the actual alternate outfits from Symphonia, including the PS2 one, it's okay)
But I said it before.. we have Tales of VS, which is basically Smash Bros with Tales Of characters. No need to put them into the actual Smash Bros.
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Bad Player wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I'm fairly sure that if there was a Tales character, it'd at least be one that's been on a Nintendo console.
I agree with this. (Although has Snake been on any Nintendo consoles? I know there's the 3DS version of MGS3, but that's Naked Snake, not Solid Snake, so...)
So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
Solid Snake was in "Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes", GC only remake of the first game.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I'm fairly sure that if there was a Tales character, it'd at least be one that's been on a Nintendo console.
I agree with this. (Although has Snake been on any Nintendo consoles? I know there's the 3DS version of MGS3, but that's Naked Snake, not Solid Snake, so...)
So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
The first few Metal Gear games were actually on Nintendo consoles, IIRC.
Confirmed, also there was Metal Gear Ghost Babel on the Game Boy.
Though Snake got in on the power of friendship really.
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Pierre wrote:
Confirmed, also there was Metal Gear Ghost Babel on the Game Boy.
Though Snake got in on the power of friendship really.
Though Snake got in on the power of friendship really.
Yeah, considering he wore his MGS 2 attire.
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PS: Also, if they HAVE to bring a Tales Of character into the game, make it Kratos.
And then they get a massive miscommunication error xD
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Bad Player wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
PS: Also, if they HAVE to bring a Tales Of character into the game, make it Kratos.
And then they get a massive miscommunication error xD
I actually would love to see Kratos in smash xD
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CatMuto wrote:
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So if there was going to be a Tales character, it'd probably be Lloyd, the new MC from Tales of Symphonia 2, or possibly Luke, since TotA got that 3DS port. I think there were also a couple of Japanese-only DS Tales games, so I guess it could be someone from there, but I don't find that as likely.
No! Nonono, they keep that annoying, bland brat out of my Smash Bros game...! I know a lot of people find Luke to be more annoying - pre- and post-haircut - but at least he had some damn good reasons for acting that way. Emil is annoying when he isn't bland as toast. Also, you think the younger kiddies are actually gonna get the part where he has a split personality of a deity inside of him? They wouldn't get it.
Using Luke has a similar problem. If they use him with long hair, he'll be annoying and people will hate Tales of the Abyss, refusing to play the game because this asshat is the main character. Using him after the haircut, he'll be too depressed, questioning his existence or even flat-out thinking if killing himself will actually repent for his bad deeds. Too depressing and "dark" for a Nintendo Smash game.
Much as I don't want to see Lloyd, he'd be a decent pick. He's an unrealistic idealist. It's perfect for Nintendo. (As long as they make his alternate outfits the actual alternate outfits from Symphonia, including the PS2 one, it's okay)
PS: Also, if they HAVE to bring a Tales Of character into the game, make it Kratos.
Emil can go eat a bag of dirt. I haven't even played the game, and I don't plan on it solely because of the footage I've seen of him. I'd have to rank him lower than Asbel on my list of Tales protagonists.
I wouldn't mind Lloyd. Twin-swords is a pretty cool playstyle, and I think it'd totally work.
Side note: I know he's not even close to being Nintendo related, but I'd want Yuri the most dammit! His smug-ass laid back swordplay is just too good.
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Yuri... I don't like because, damn it, I just don't see why people like him. It's a nice enough battle style, but personality wise he's pretty boring.
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If it came between Emil and Asbel... I'd probably pick Emil, cause at least I can either A) intimidate him (green eyes) or B) watch with glee as he gets annoying people brutally out of the way (red eyes). Because Asbel would just annoy me with his "Friendsfriendsfriendsfriends" talk.
Yuri... I don't like because, damn it, I just don't see why people like him. It's a nice enough battle style, but personality wise he's pretty boring.
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Yuri... I don't like because, damn it, I just don't see why people like him. It's a nice enough battle style, but personality wise he's pretty boring.
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It's mainly cause he's such a refreshing protagonist compared to most. He's not a kid, doesn't get depressed, isn't super idealistic, has a dry sense of humor, and isn't afraid to dirty his hands to follow his beliefs. I'm sure you remember that I've said this before, but he's an already developed character that helps the others around him develop. I really liked how he wasn't your average JRPG protagonist. He was just a really cool guy, and if you don't like him then that's still cool. You're just a person who prefers characters to grow over time.
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It's mainly cause he's such a refreshing protagonist compared to most. He's not a kid, doesn't get depressed, isn't super idealistic, has a dry sense of humor, and isn't afraid to dirty his hands to follow his beliefs. I'm sure you remember that I've said this before, but he's an already developed character that helps the others around him develop. I really liked how he wasn't your average JRPG protagonist. He was just a really cool guy, and if you don't like him then that's still cool. You're just a person who prefers characters to grow over time.
Oh yeah. Cause I've never seen a tough guy protagonist ever before... and yes, I do prefer a hero who has some character development himself over the course of the game. If he doesn't have any - and I have no real source to see his development prior to the game - he comes across as a bland, one dimensional character who is no more than a witty line here or there.
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I think if Emil was in Smash Bros he would OHKO everyone by just repeating the phrase "Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality."
*looks up* I remember what Javadoze just told me...
*flashes back* "Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality"
...Man. I remember flashing back to flashing back to what Javadoze said a minute ago.
*flashback* "Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality"
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Greninja's side special move is Shadow Sneak. It's like a teleport that lets him get behind opponents quickly to attack them from behind, and it can be charged up to move greater distances. Interestingly, it's one of the few moves you can charge while moving around freely.
So counting this, it looks like Greninja's special moves consist of the following:
B: Water Shuriken
Side B: Shadow Sneak
Up B: Aqua Jet (?)
Down B: Substitute
Ironically not a very good moveset for Greninja in the Pokémon games, but then again that's true for pretty much every playable Pokémon in Smash Bros.
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CatMuto wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
It's mainly cause he's such a refreshing protagonist compared to most. He's not a kid, doesn't get depressed, isn't super idealistic, has a dry sense of humor, and isn't afraid to dirty his hands to follow his beliefs. I'm sure you remember that I've said this before, but he's an already developed character that helps the others around him develop. I really liked how he wasn't your average JRPG protagonist. He was just a really cool guy, and if you don't like him then that's still cool. You're just a person who prefers characters to grow over time.
Oh yeah. Cause I've never seen a tough guy protagonist ever before... and yes, I do prefer a hero who has some character development himself over the course of the game. If he doesn't have any - and I have no real source to see his development prior to the game - he comes across as a bland, one dimensional character who is no more than a witty line here or there.
Yeah but...lets be fair now...
We could take pretty much any RPG protagonist at this point and sarcastically go:
"Oh yeah, cause I've never seen a "archetype X" protagonist ever before".
By this point. Most RPG protagonists have been done so many times now just getting tired of them because they've been done before seems a cheap cop out. It's ok if you just don't like the 'tough guy' archetype (god knows I don't like the 'stoic uncaring' archetype for protagonists) but just because it's been done before isn't really a complaint in itself.
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How on earth did we drift so far off topic? How did we start talking about RPG heroes... On a Smash thread?
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Pierre wrote:
Yeah but...lets be fair now...
We could take pretty much any RPG protagonist at this point and sarcastically go:
"Oh yeah, cause I've never seen a "archetype X" protagonist ever before".
By this point. Most RPG protagonists have been done so many times now just getting tired of them because they've been done before seems a cheap cop out. It's ok if you just don't like the 'tough guy' archetype (god knows I don't like the 'stoic uncaring' archetype for protagonists) but just because it's been done before isn't really a complaint in itself.
We could take pretty much any RPG protagonist at this point and sarcastically go:
"Oh yeah, cause I've never seen a "archetype X" protagonist ever before".
By this point. Most RPG protagonists have been done so many times now just getting tired of them because they've been done before seems a cheap cop out. It's ok if you just don't like the 'tough guy' archetype (god knows I don't like the 'stoic uncaring' archetype for protagonists) but just because it's been done before isn't really a complaint in itself.
Yeah, but that's the thing... I have nothing against someone saying they like this type of protagonist, they can like it all they want. I just don't really see why they'd open their argument on why they like them with "He's a stoic/cheerful/badass guy" because... well, it's been done so often, I'd immediately point out a different protagonist with the same characteristics that they may not have liked, despite being practically the same person - only with a different name and appearance. (Yes, you probably think how come I say this when I like Light but not Cloud but... well, Light is a woman, she punches people and she has pink hair. 3 things that Cloud is not, so already reasons why I like her more than him)
As Blak said, he says Yuri is an already established character whose purpose is more to cause his party members to evolve as characters and not himself, since he's already "done". Fine. I personally would prefer to know how that development came to be BEFORE being shown his finished form, but whatever.
So... as long as someone can explain to me why they like that type of protagonist ASIDE from saying he's a badass, you know that's just fine. (I like Kratos cause he's cool, I like his appearance, his voice is music to my ears and his outfits are kickass.... except being given Ludger's... I hated Lloyd's suspenders and now they DARE to give Kratos suspenders?!)
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