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Man, I recently finished the first case and Dahlia was awesome! The way she wrapped the court around her finger was so elegant and not contrived like it was with April May. I also thought it was especially clever how
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Dahlia pretended to help Phoenix at first to make sure she got off the hook

To me, Dahlia was one of the most compelling characters in all of the Ace Attorney series. Does anybody else think so? :that-b-word:
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She is quite the character. While I don't approve of her tactics, she sure can execute them well.

Oh, yeah. And she's f*cking hot when she's not psychopathic.
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Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .
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They could've come from...a window?
...Well, it's better to think about it that way than say "Maybe they came out of her mouth." :yogi:
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well, they flew in through the sides, so I doubt that would be even remotely plausible, even if it is a joke.

I also found it funny, yet creepy, when
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the butterflys went up in flames... though mostly funny

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I hate Dahlia. But that's really a good thing. I think that by creating a main villain we can hate, the creator probably gave the players the feel he intended for them to have. In most stories, people can come to love the villains; even more than the heroes at times. But with this story, I think they meant for you to being thinking along the lines of "I'm gonna nail this evil whore, ace attorney style!". I do think she is one of the most ingenious villains ever created. She also is great for her position because I think many people can compare to the pain she causes people.

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When Fawles died on the stand, I admit, I nearly cried. And I also really felt for Phoenix during the first case. My second girlfriend was just like Dahlia. I hate to admit it, but I will. When I broke up with her after figuring out what she was planning, I came very close to committing suicide. That's why I really sympathize with Fawles. He was a strong, yet harmless man, but he was ruined because the person he loved only used him. He killed himself, even after knowing what she had done, because he loved her so much that he still didn't want her incriminated. I might be alone, but I think Dahlia is such a well-developed character and symbol of pain through deception and love that people can really get emotional over the story line in Trials and Tribulations. Plus, how cool is it to imagine your old, demonic girlfriend on the stand and send her to her death? Haha. I sure loved it. :godot:

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I totally concur - Me and a small group of friends who've played T&T...Note that I'm the one to have completed first given that I imported and as such haven't spoiled much for them...came to the agreement that she is truly the Most monstrous villain of the series.

I sat up late, as one of them completed Case 4 not 2 days ago.

...She cried. Testimony enough to me that T&T has a truly powerful running plotline, and a truly excellant narrative to ensure it's put across well.

Whilst the other friend playing it works her way through case 3 even now, me and my Case 5 bound friend have agreed that the friend playing case 3, who has the deepest hatred of Dahlia given that she's a Phoenix fangirl, is going to literally be frothing at the mouth after the events of Turnabout beginnings.

Tonight, me and the Friend playing case 5 finish off her game alongside each other on MSN. She doesn't know the final twists, and I won't tell her...it's going to be the most emotional game she's ever played, and she's admitted that more times than I can count.

I commend the writers for Dahlia...what could easily have been a terribly constructed 2D Cutout villain has actually turned into the Flesh-and-blood daughter of Satan herself.

But nevertheless...she's going down once more tonight. And I look forward to that.

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Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .


Psssst... read the Justice for All book. XD It shows Gumshoe throwing confetti. I know that may not be where it comes from... but it's still humorous to read.


As for Dahlia, I hate her. =\ She wears that sickly sweet smile, even when she is in the deepest of trouble, just to keep everyone wrapped around that finger of hers.

Iris, on the other hand... :phoenix:
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iris is loveable :)

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i was surprised when iris said that she was actually the one meeting with feenie to get the bottle back. damn you, dahlia.

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NONONO! DONT turn this into a Iris-love topic. Dont even mention her. There is a whole topic for her elsewhere...if youre going to mention her, do it there.

I love Dahlia. However, I love her simply because she is one of the few villains out there that it is possible to hate. Shes quite masterfully written...sure, compared to some PW villains her disuise seems pretty thinly veiled, but in real life I dont seriously think many perople would see through her. She is so evil not because she sacrifices others for personal gain, but to escape from justice. Her behavorial patterns repeatedly show her setting up someone dear to her for the fall. Some bad guys directly engage the hero while killing the nameless masses...with her, you see firsthand her manipulating people who trust, love, or pity her.
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I was really hoping that Iris was actually Dahlia...can you imagine what kind of a plot twist that would be??!! I mean Iris and Dahlia somehow sitching places before the excecution, Iris being executed, and then being channeled by Maya while everyone thought that she was channeling Dahlia, and the real Dahlia getting away? It would be AWESOME!
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As for Dahlia, I hate her. =\ She wears that sickly sweet smile, even when she is in the deepest of trouble, just to keep everyone wrapped around that finger of hers.


Well, you know what they say. A lawyer is someone who smiles no matter how bad it gets.

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I was really hoping that Iris was actually Dahlia...can you imagine what kind of a plot twist that would be??!! I mean Iris and Dahlia somehow sitching places before the excecution, Iris being executed, and then being channeled by Maya while everyone thought that she was channeling Dahlia, and the real Dahlia getting away? It would be AWESOME!


HOLY CRAP THAT'D BE AWESOME.
But then everyone who hates Dahlia would probably kill themselves at the end of them game when it was revealed.
I, personally, love her because I think she's amazing. She may be an evil bitch, but because she's so bitchy and can live completely for herself is what makes her interesting.
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She was one of my favourite characters from the whole series XD She's just epic win in that evil way.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .

I can solve the confetti question for you. Gumshoe. Theres a little comic that came I think with the japanese ds version of game 2. It may even be somewhere on the archives of this site.

As for the butterflies I thought the same thing... until she you know....
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went all psycho-bitch and they got burned up. Literally
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .

I can solve the confetti question for you. Gumshoe. Theres a little comic that came I think with the japanese ds version of game 2. It may even be somewhere on the archives of this site.

As for the butterflies I thought the same thing... until she you know....
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went all psycho-bitch and they got burned up. Literally

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Gumshoe wasn't in Turnabout Memories, and there was confetti there.
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As for the butterflies I thought the same thing... until she you know....
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went all psycho-bitch and they got burned up. Literally


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Y'know, with the way she burned those butterflies, makes me wonder if shes got any superpowers, aside from swaying horny men to her side with her fake smile. Power over fire would make her quite a formiddable foe.

@xylophone220: Maybe he just took up the job from a previous confetti thrower. Of course, now I wonder who this other confetti thrower is...
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are you serious, she is my most favourite character, even more so than pearl was. The reason?
1. She's quite human, for lack of a better word.
2. She's quite pretty(no matter how you look at it)
3. She has an aura about her which renders her quite significant when she's on screen.
4. She's even more evil than Matt Engarde(who was my favourite villain up until dahlia came along.)Note: He was never my favourite character though, pearly was.

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are you serious, she is my most favourite character, even more so than pearl was. The reason?
1. She's quite human, for lack of a better word.
2. She's quite pretty(no matter how you look at it)
3. She has an aura about her which renders her quite significant when she's on screen.
4. She's even more evil than Matt Engarde(who was my favourite villain up until dahlia came along.)Note: He was never my favourite character though, pearly was.

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O rly? wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .

I can solve the confetti question for you. Gumshoe. Theres a little comic that came I think with the japanese ds version of game 2. It may even be somewhere on the archives of this site.


Hehe yes I saw that comic it was adorable :edgy: .. It showed Gumshoe staying up late at night cutting paper to make that stuff. XD.. And what he does when EDGEY wins a trial? *giggles to herself* too cute.
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Aevitas wrote:
O rly? wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
Screw Dahlia, where the hell did those damn butterfiles come from? I mean, jeez! Each and every time she smiles, those butterflies come out of the sides of the screen... I guess I'll just file that in "PW Mysteries" under "Who's throwing the ****ing confetti?" .

I can solve the confetti question for you. Gumshoe. Theres a little comic that came I think with the japanese ds version of game 2. It may even be somewhere on the archives of this site.


Hehe yes I saw that comic it was adorable :edgy: .. It showed Gumshoe staying up late at night cutting paper to make that stuff. XD.. And what he does when EDGEY wins a trial? *giggles to herself* too cute.
That was in the English manual too.
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Mentioning the Butterflies....

After seeing.....

a. Gant struck by lightning
b. Jake getting "shot"
c. Payne's hair getting blown off
d. Ron's hair doing the twist
e. ARMSTRONG

The butterflies seem reletively normal. Although I do wonder where they fly in from....

by the way

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anyone else think Dahlia's satan spawn? I mean really, even with other freak outs on the stand, her white eyes freaked me out, and the fact that she made the butterflies spontanousely combust O.o

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I love Dahlia. She's such a horrible person, but an awesome character - pure evil! XD I love her design, her animations, the way she acts on the stand(both before and after she drops the act), her music, and most of all, the great plotline that she is a key part of. So yeah, she's one of my favorite characters in the series, and one of my favorite villians ever.
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Spoiler: Dahlia's eyes + Major family spoiler
I was waiting for her to reveal that she'd actually inherited some spiritual power, much like Pearl had, when I saw her eyes glowing like that in the first case, but it was never brought up again. Did she have spiritual powers, or were those (and the butterflies, I suppose) meant to be, um, "exaggerations" of her emotional expressions?


I hated Matt, but I don't think I've ever loathed a video game character as much as I loathed this bitch. She got exactly what was coming to her...
Spoiler: 3-5 (Dahlia V. ___ )
...And it felt so good to watch Mia throw everything in her face like that after all the crap that girl put her through.

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Officer 1BDI wrote:
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I was waiting for her to reveal that she'd actually inherited some spiritual power, much like Pearl had, when I saw her eyes glowing like that in the first case, but it was never brought up again. Did she have spiritual powers, or were those (and the butterflies, I suppose) meant to be, um, "exaggerations" of her emotional expressions?


Yea I think that was just an exaggeration to the evil she emits XD.. They got the message across very well I thought.

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I hated Matt, but I don't think I've ever loathed a video game character as much as I loathed this bitch. She got exactly what was coming to her...
Spoiler: 3-5 (Dahlia V. ___ )
...And it felt so good to watch Mia throw everything in her face like that after all the crap that girl put her through.


Totally agree.
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Ugh... I HATE Dahlia for her personality and her ability to get what she wants by any means with no remorse whatsoever, but I have to admit, she is an awesome character! Really well played-out to give you someone to absolutely despise like her... But my favorite part has to be when
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Mia and Phoenix were throwing everything they had at Dahlia, and Mia giving that final speech that made me feel oh so good, and then Phoenix laying on the final layer of "You're a failure, you failed to kill me, and NOW YOU'RE DEAD! We may not be able to punish YOU, but YOUR SPIRIT and YOUR EGO is good enough for us." And then the final words "I don't care if you win or lose, all I want is for you to leave Maya's body RIGHT NOW!" Oh my gosh, that scene was EPIC... How she was exorcised made me feel like I'd actually won the battle against her... (I could've done without the scream though, or would've liked a better one.) Dahlia was the kind of character who was played to be the ultimate villain and would make you feel total satisfaction to see her finally put in her place. It was totally awesome.

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Oh wait!

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Lets not forget that Morgan's eyes turn pure white too when she gets pissed off, maybe Dahlia inherited that?

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The white-eyed thing is a standard facial expression, especially in anime/manga.

Oh, and, lolcrosspost. "Why I think Dahlia deserves your sympathy and love."

Basically, I blame her parents for making her the way she is.
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Basically, I blame her parents for making her the way she is.


That's alright, but she does not need our sympathy and love. It's a common used excuse nowadays to say "he or she had a bad youth, and that means he or she can go and massmurder anyone because it's not their fault, but their parents', their neighbourhood's, or society's." And that's bull.
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Oh, I don't doubt her guilt one second in the cases she was involved in - I'm just as glad to see her go as anyone else here. It's just that unlike other supervillains in the series, she doesn't seem to be "touched in the head" in that her evil tendencies sprung from some latent wellspring of HATE. Engarde's an out-and-out sociopath; Manfred is singularly obsessed with his career; Morgan and Gant were both powermongering backstabbers. What did Dahlia stand to gain from any of her crimes? What did she ultimately want, before revenge on Mia for stopping her?

Freedom. Love. She wanted to get away from her family, that splintered home life where she was forced to live with an alien mother and an uncaring, selfish father*. It's extremely doubtful she would have been a productive, law-abiding citizen if she did get what she wanted, but it's a very human need she acted upon to begin with.

I don't for a second forgive any of these characters for their crimes, their crimes were conscious decisions made by mature individuals who knew what they were getting into, and they should pay the price like anyone else. It's just that, in my eyes, Dahlia is the only one who lived the way she did out of necessity, rather than temptation.

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Even her sister-in-law - a police officer even! - was shady enough to accept Dahlia's plot and kill an otherwise innocent man to get her cut.

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I completely agree MSOB, and would only like to add that you might consider her paranoia about being found out an outgrowth of that as well, which is her prime motive for all her other crimes but the first and last.

It's actually part of why Dahlia and Iris are such an interesting pair, since even after all that about her upbringing, and despite the ZOMG demon11!!! portrayal we get through the rest of the game, Dahlia does, in a twisted, stunted sort of way show compassion for Iris, not killing her when she's at her mercy, and providing a "confession" that works to find her not guilty of murder. (though never admitting this, obviously) Oh, and I think you mean step-sister, in reference to Valerie.

Why is it that no one remembers how nasty Valerie was anyway?
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I agree...Valerie was a bitch, ruining the plan like that, then testifying against Fawles. Very much not cool.

I agree with several of the prior posters... Dahlia's crimes are unique in that they spread not from a thirst for power, but from a desire for freedom, desperation, ultimately revenge on Mia Fey. Shes very spiteful and cruel person, but she is much more human then...oh, say, Matt or Gant. They are evil, yes, but they both are in positions of authority where they can manipulate others to get around that. Dahlia is very much your everyday, run-of-the-mill killer who dosent have the money or the influence to hide her crimes...in fact, she even pushes away from herself those closest to her if she dosent trust them. In many cases, she operates complete solo, as opposed to the aforementioned along who have Lana and de Killer.

I wont deny, I was hoping to see a comeback of the butterflies in 3-5, and I didnt like her final breakdown. But such is life, I suppose.
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I found it creepy when
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Dahlia's spirit came out of Maya's body... She looked like a crazy ghost...
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No character has ever made me so upset before. I do not like Dahlia.
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I loved her final breakdown and exit from Maya's body. So creepy! And while I was expecting the butterflies to come back, the new smile of PURE EVIL was enough to make up for it - chilling facial expression, that one.

I ended up playing that whole portion on Halloween. Who needs horror movies when you can watch Dahlia Hawthorne in action? XD
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I ended up playing that whole portion on Halloween. Who needs horror movies when you can watch Dahlia Hawthorne in action? XD


Agreed. She's one creepy, yet amazing, character.
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I have to admit that I liked Matt EnGarde as a character a lot, but Dahlia is simply an evil, though sometimes a pitiable character due to the actions of her parents, so technically Morgan, is the reall evil one.

However, the level she takes it to is phenominal...a real last boss.
1. Dahlia
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3. Manfred von Karma
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I'll tell you why I like Dahlia:

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She's so damn evil, she can make butterflies burn with her EYES!


Like you've guys been saying. I think it's flipping awesome.

She goes: :chinami: and they go X.X

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