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I just watched the movie and it was amazing. The puzzles were well thought out I thought, and since I haven't gotten the opportunity to check out specter's flute yet. This introduced me to Growley who I pretty much like more than Chemley.
Spoiler: the eternal diva ending
Not sure which translations you've seen, but I know them as Inspector Chelmey, Inspector Grosky and Mr. Whistler.
Not that it matters much, but I find it curious that you've written them down so differently.
I might have just spelled Chemley wrong. I see it spelled either way sometimes.
As for the other two I was watching a subbed Japanese version so not sure what I can say abotu that. It was probably fansubs so maybe it was just another typo. When Grotsky was introduced they called him Growley and they referred to Whistler as Vislar throughout the whole film so it's what I'm used too at least.
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So during the beginning in the present day when does this exactly take place? After Unwound Future?
I think the present day segment of the movie takes place around when the diabolical box takes place since Luke is still actively around Layton and mainly
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So during the beginning in the present day when does this exactly take place? After Unwound Future?
I think the present day segment of the movie takes place around when the diabolical box takes place since Luke is still actively around Layton and mainly
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And it's definitely after Curious Village since
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Pierre wrote:
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Spoiler: About Eternal Diva
Spoiler: Eternal Diva
Spoiler: As before
Spoiler: Oh, it's about eternal diva again?
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It wouldn't be Descole if he did things without the dramatic flare. Sometime's it's not the trophy at the end that's the most important to someone, sometimes it's the path you got there.
For instance, if Kefka from FFVI was given the choice between ruling the world now, or ruling the world after causing untold damage, he'd choose the latter.
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They don't :c
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Yet if you attack his core intentions, his beliefs, his ultimate, personal goals, he loses all hope, all sanity, and goes crazy with music-powered weaponized strongholds.
At least that's what I got from Eternal Diva, haven't played Last Specter, waiting for it.
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As for Remi looking for the Island that was a myth, Layton teaches archeology. Think of all the missions to find Noah's Arc, Atlantis, and even the Lochness Monster. Looking for myths is practically in the job description.
His name was spelled Wisler in the OST I've got, I think I mixed up when I used that as a reference to spell the name, My apologies.
As for killing the remaining survivors... I'm a bit disinclined to think they're dead, despite the game being one of 'life and death'. Ignoring for an instant, that even when someone being dead in the games is an important plot element, and that they're alive and kicking by the credits. Whistler was among the group that failed Puzzle 003. And Layton told the people he tricked into failing Puzzle 004 that he'll come back for them. (Really, did he need to verify that there would be the same trap doors that littered the Crown Pitone?)
His name was spelled Wisler in the OST I've got, I think I mixed up when I used that as a reference to spell the name, My apologies.
As for killing the remaining survivors... I'm a bit disinclined to think they're dead, despite the game being one of 'life and death'. Ignoring for an instant, that even when someone being dead in the games is an important plot element, and that they're alive and kicking by the credits. Whistler was among the group that failed Puzzle 003. And Layton told the people he tricked into failing Puzzle 004 that he'll come back for them. (Really, did he need to verify that there would be the same trap doors that littered the Crown Pitone?)
Really late response, but since no one actually answered, then here's my response to that. Remember Layton looking around the rooms, resulting in him finding out about the little Melina? Well, that was happening while Luke and the others went to the king's room and got trapped, so I would think Layton knew something like that was bound to happen were he to follow them, and in order to explore the castle a bit, he purposefully chose the wrong way, then went back the right way when the coast was clear.
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But it's horrible...
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Spoiler: Oh, it's about eternal diva again?
It wouldn't be Descole if he did things without the dramatic flare. Sometime's it's not the trophy at the end that's the most important to someone, sometimes it's the path you got there.
For instance, if Kefka from FFVI was given the choice between ruling the world now, or ruling the world after causing untold damage, he'd choose the latter.
In that case why didn't he do that from the very beginning? Anyway it makes me a bit angry. I prefer effective villain than a dramatic one. And I think... I don't really believe your version. If I wanted to make a mess and wanted to achieve some objective that is important to me... I believe that everyone would firstly do the important thing and then have fun... It still doesn't make sense...
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Anyways, I seem to recall that the point of the puzzles was that his daughter was a very intelligent girl. Therefore a compatible host had to have a similar level of critical thinking. Amelia may have had favor with the professor, but there's the off chance that she was less capable then others. So the whole contest, could be a dramatic plan B if you would...
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Ah, but what if the fun thing, IS the important thing, or rather, one of several important things.
Anyways, I seem to recall that the point of the puzzles was that his daughter was a very intelligent girl. Therefore a compatible host had to have a similar level of critical thinking. Amelia may have had favor with the professor, but there's the off chance that she was less capable then others. So the whole contest, could be a dramatic plan B if you would...
Anyways, I seem to recall that the point of the puzzles was that his daughter was a very intelligent girl. Therefore a compatible host had to have a similar level of critical thinking. Amelia may have had favor with the professor, but there's the off chance that she was less capable then others. So the whole contest, could be a dramatic plan B if you would...
Well. If it is then why not having fun from the beginning? Then I think I could understand it - combining business with pleasure. You see, the sudden change makes me wonder. But the second thing you mentioned... It makes more sense, I think. Considering it was the last chance (or at least that's what the Detagan's screen stated and the fact the machine couldn't hold Melina's memory much longer) such a plan B is quite a good idea... Yes, that's good explanation. Thank you :3
And if we're talking about it... Do you perhaps have an idea how did Janice/Melina manage to take the Detragan's key when Descole and wolves were standing just next to it? And how is that she wasn't noticed. It was opened space.
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Also noted is that it will coincide with the release of The Last Specter, which is to release a few weeks earlier before The Eternal Diva. Which makes an October release more and more likely.
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Ah, but what if the fun thing, IS the important thing, or rather, one of several important things.
Anyways, I seem to recall that the point of the puzzles was that his daughter was a very intelligent girl. Therefore a compatible host had to have a similar level of critical thinking. Amelia may have had favor with the professor, but there's the off chance that she was less capable then others. So the whole contest, could be a dramatic plan B if you would...
Anyways, I seem to recall that the point of the puzzles was that his daughter was a very intelligent girl. Therefore a compatible host had to have a similar level of critical thinking. Amelia may have had favor with the professor, but there's the off chance that she was less capable then others. So the whole contest, could be a dramatic plan B if you would...
Well. If it is then why not having fun from the beginning? Then I think I could understand it - combining business with pleasure. You see, the sudden change makes me wonder. But the second thing you mentioned... It makes more sense, I think. Considering it was the last chance (or at least that's what the Detagan's screen stated and the fact the machine couldn't hold Melina's memory much longer) such a plan B is quite a good idea... Yes, that's good explanation. Thank you :3
And if we're talking about it... Do you perhaps have an idea how did Janice/Melina manage to take the Detragan's key when Descole and wolves were standing just next to it? And how is that she wasn't noticed. It was opened space.
I think your looking for effectiveness and efficiency from the wrong man.
If his ultimate goal was to examine the ancient civilisation beneath the sea he simply needed to use those subs he had (the ones the 'victims' of his puzzles were transported in) to lead an expedition there.....
Simple and not even villainous I'm sure the Archaeological society of london or whatever would probably commend him for his scientific finds (possibly even Layton).
A lot of events in the film purely serve to make drama, fully drama.
For example why didn't Melina (as Janice) simply say YEARS AND YEARS ago "Yo dad, the procedure worked" and thus prevent all the nastiness and kidnapping and essentially the whole movie from occurring.
A lot of it is just for fun :P
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I think the reason Janice/Melina didn't reveal the success of the transfer was that if she did tell them that she was, in fact, Melina and not Janice, then she would still be under the care of Mr. Whistler, when she wanted to be totally free after her sickness and 'death'. At least, that was how Janice/Melina seemed to tell it when she finally revealed everything.
Then it was very selfish of her to keep that secret when Mr Whistler started doing...unscrupulous activities.
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Did anyone else think Janice was, like, 6 when they saw the movie posters? Either it's just the art style, or her opera costume isn't very flattering on her.
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Seriously.
He vanished, so he's clearly dead and we'll never see him again.
That's how it works.
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Too bad. Waluigi Time.
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I'm bad at puzzle solving..
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Objection! Then how does he appear in Mask of Miracle?!
Descole is prepared for everything. He probably had some machine waiting or something. He would be prepared for loss cause he's smart.
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Also, does anyone else wish that we had gotten to see Amelia's chess playing skill in the movie? I thought there would be a chess related puzzle just for that reason. Anyone notice Whistler had this creepy smile on when they were trying to put the helmet on her? It was kind of disturbing...
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