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Personally, I'd like to see something other than murder tackled. Theft, or maybe just assualt? I personally think rape cases might be interesting but I'm sure that most would disagree >_>.

Maybe a case where Odoroki loses, and his client is executed- only to figure out in a later case he was innocent?
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Go into Kyouya's and Odoroki's pasts. Maybe even connect them to case 5-4 somehow.
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I personally think rape cases might be interesting

Only if there is a FMV sequence of the crime.
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Tackling rape in a game like this is a horrible idea :(

But an attempted murder where the victim ended up in the hospital instead of the morgue might be interesting. Especially if the person woke up out of a coma or something for the second day of investigation and gave you entirely different testimony.
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GS5 better have a final objection/final evidence to present at the end to win the game and not just a bunch of text.
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khaaan! wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see something other than murder tackled. Theft, or maybe just assualt?


It's done in 3-2.
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Croik wrote:
Tackling rape in a game like this is a horrible idea :(

But an attempted murder where the victim ended up in the hospital instead of the morgue might be interesting.


GBH and attempted murder...
hmmm..
Rape is nein good ja in AA.

What I'd like to see is people getting off after appeal cases...

also,
different law cases as mentioned above would be good.

more theft!
attempted murder!
GBH!
Blackmail and the like!

also, finally,
referring to Croiks idea of attempted murder...
observe

:udgy: "So Mr. X you have been found guilty of the attempted murder of Mrs. Y"
Mr. X: "Hahahahahaha... attempted murder is only ... years in prison!" "I'll be back one day, you can't stop me!"
*re-enter bailiff*
Bailiff: "Your honour, Mrs. Y has just died in hospital."
:udgy: "Mr. X, you now stand accused of murder, you know what that means, DEATH PENALTY (usually)!"
Mr. X: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
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Croik wrote:
Tackling rape in a game like this is a horrible idea :(

I guess it just really doesn't fit the series, but I still think it could be interesting :/ Ah well.

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But an attempted murder where the victim ended up in the hospital instead of the morgue might be interesting. Especially if the person woke up out of a coma or something for the second day of investigation and gave you entirely different testimony.

Ooh, I like this idea. That would be pretty awesome. It would also lead to more Dr Hotti ;)

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Personally, I'd like to see something other than murder tackled. Theft, or maybe just assualt?

It's done in 3-2.

No reason it can't be used again :(
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How could rape be bad for the game? (I was raped once...) I mean, in GS4 they have a panty thief. In GS1 Cindy Stone is a whore. Hence the term "Sugar Daddies".

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If you think including a humorous panty thief side plot is in any way equatable to rape...then I seriously question your judgment.

The PW games deal with murder, sure, but they often do so in a humorous and lighthearted way. You just can't do that with some topics. They're not going to include a rape sideplot any more than they are a serial baby-killer or serious race issues or several other things. They haven't even done a really gruesome murder--it's mostly instant death by gunshot or blow to the head. Some things just don't jive with the series.

And Dee is never coming back. :nick:
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Croik wrote:
Some things just don't jive with the series.

And Dee is never coming back. :nick:


Rape is nein good ja.
no rape.

attempted murder - yes

rape - nein.

also,
Dee shalt not be coming back.

however,
i want a return for shelly de killer.
he was cool.
also
it varies the case slightly.

theft and destruction of property - ein!
also
5-1 = Odoroki has a work experience student who quotes out of a defense attorneys manual continually.
then
5-2 - Work experience student is killed/ kills someone.
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I'm actually impressed that Minuki got through a game without being a murder suspect.
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I'm actually impressed that Minuki got through a game without being a murder suspect.

It won't last....
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Yeah 5-2 Minuki client ftw.
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Yeah 5-2 Minuki client ftw.

yes...
no surprise if she is.
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Croik wrote:
Some things just don't jive with the series.

And Dee is never coming back. :nick:


Rape is nein good ja.
no rape.

attempted murder - yes

rape - nein.

also,
Dee shalt not be coming back.

however,
i want a return for shelly de killer.
he was cool.
also
it varies the case slightly.

theft and destruction of property - ein!
also
5-1 = Odoroki has a work experience student who quotes out of a defense attorneys manual continually.
then
5-2 - Work experience student is killed/ kills someone.
JA!


*blinks*

I've just been wondering, what do you mean with ja, nein, and ein? You know those mean yes, no and a, right? :o
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German, yes?

Maybe they should just make Minuki the defendant of 5-1, then Odoroki can be so flustered he forgets all his lawyering and needs a Phoenix tutorial.

Gets that drama out of the way at least :D
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I am SO hoping that Minuki never winds up as the defendant. That idea's been done to death IMHO.

But we all know Minuki's gonna get arrested at least once, don't we. :nick:

@Ultrasaint: Dude, why ya gotta keep using Google translator? Where did this sudden habit of using German come from? XD
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Tinker wrote:

*blinks*

I've just been wondering, what do you mean with ja, nein, and ein? You know those mean yes, no and a, right? :o

I don't actually know why i use them.
its just something for me to use in caps i think.
also it gives me an excuse to write on a new line
anyway
I hope Minuki is never the defendant,
or its just basically a kinda copy of
1-2 and 2-2
where maya is the defendant.
also
return of shelly!
also
D,
I don't use google translate for ja, nein and ein.
;)
However i use it for longer style sentances
which i never do
anyway

hows about a flashback to Kirihitos first case or summit
(I think it has already been mentioned)
ah well
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Yeah, if Minuki was the defendant I would probably smash my head against wall. However, if they had to do it, they should do it well. And, although it would mean the death of my favourite characters, I think her being accused of murdering Phoenix would be a quite good plot. And it would be an AMAZINGLY GREAT TWIST if she did actually do it. However, I doubt Capcom would do it. REALLY DOUBT.
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Takumi was forced to write GS4 under only two specific conditions, and one of them was that he had to keep Phoenix in. There's no chance of Phoenix getting killed.

Now, beaten within an inch of his life and hospitalized for the course of the entire game, now THAT would be interesting. Or if he woke up before the last day of trial and insisted the person who did it was the one Odoroki had already agreed to defend!

*dramadramadramadramadrama*
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That would be so cool. More drama than 2-4.
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How about a case where the murderer killed someone and to cover it up they made it look like another person had killed them by fabricating the murder weapon.

i.e.

Day 3 - Trial

:odoroki: So, the victim was stabbed with a knife. But, something just doesn't fit.
:udgy: Mr. Odoroki, you've been staring at the autopsy report for quite some time now. Is there something that's bugging you?
:odoroki: ...Actually, Your Honor, there is.
:kyouya: Then please, Mr. Odoroki, enlighten us. Just what is so strange about the victim's death?
:odoroki: Well, the way I see it the victim was stabbed with a knife.
:udgy: As the court already knows very well.
:kyouya: And this knife just happened to belong to the defendant.
:odoroki: Correct. However, take a closer look at the photo of the crime scene.
*All stare*
:udgy: ...Wh-What is this!? There seems to be some kind of small hole around the wound.
:kyouya: A... small hole...?
:odoroki: Yes. Which can only mean one thing... *Bench slam* The real murder weapon was not a knife but, in fact, a gun!
:kyouya: A...
:udgy: ...gun...?
:odoroki: Correct. Which leads me to my next conclusion. *Bench slam and close-up* The real murderer was not the defendant but, in fact, someone else!
:kyouya: NOOOOOOOOOO!!
*Courtroom buzz. Gavel slams thrice*
:udgy: Order! Order!! So, what you're saying is...
:odoroki: The real criminal was clearly the owner of a small handgun. He shot the victim in the chest several times. Then to cover up his crime he used a small knife that belonged to the defendant and stabbed him once in each area where a bullet hit the body. All so that my client would take the blame!
:kyouya: But... but that means... *Close-up* The we've been led astray from the very beginning!!
:odoroki: *Close-up* That is exactly what the situation is telling us. If the killer was not my client... then who was it?


Or, something along those lines. It could be interesting. The criminal would have to be very careful, meticulous, and cautious because they would have to fool the police department into believing that there was only one possibly murder weapon.
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That's possible, but don't you think they would notice a bullet hole beside the wound?
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Well, it doesn't have to be along the lines I mentioned. I was simply trying to illustrate the scenario of a murderer fabricating the murder weapon (like they did in 1-5) and throwing everyone, even the police department, for a loop. If someone could pull that off, they would be the most hardcore criminal since Matt Engarde.

Or, maybe a criminal who fabricated the evidence so that it would look like someone was trying to implicate him.

i.e.

Said criminal shoots a person and fabricates the crime scene to make it look like someone set him up to take the fall.

Something along those lines. It would be incredibly risky, though... but savage no less.
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How about a case where the murderer killed someone and to cover it up they made it look like another person had killed them by fabricating the murder weapon.

Or, something along those lines. It could be interesting. The criminal would have to be very careful, meticulous, and cautious because they would have to fool the police department into believing that there was only one possibly murder weapon.

Been there, done that.
Case 2-4, anyone?
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Case 1-3 as well
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How about a case where the murderer killed someone and to cover it up they made it look like another person had killed them by fabricating the murder weapon.

Or, something along those lines. It could be interesting. The criminal would have to be very careful, meticulous, and cautious because they would have to fool the police department into believing that there was only one possibly murder weapon.

Been there, done that.
Case 2-4, anyone?


No. There's no way anyone could believe that being stabbed in the right chest warrants a guaranteed kill. Severe injury, yes. But, not enough to cause death. The blood loss wasn't even that severe. All she did was stick a knife into his chest, not thrust it in like some crazed murderer.

And, I forgot about 1-3 and 1-5. So, I guess it would be a bit pointless. But, they did in 1-3 and repeated it in 1-5. So, who's to say that it can't be done in the next game?
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No one, but you just made it sound like it had never been done before.
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Mass Murder!
Serial Killers!
aha
as a defense attorney we have never defended clients against these crimes (Joe Darke don't count, cos you never defended him, actually, who was his defense attorney?)

anyway,
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Your client is arrested for being a serial killer (even though he isn't),
there are several witnesses...
however,
all these witnesses killed each of the victims separately.

a la ~ Several people guilty plotting against your client to try and take the blame off themselves.

Defendant = not guilty.

Or, in a different case
The heir to Shelly de Killer!
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5-4 odo defends kyouya for the murder of... GASP! Kirihito...
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Croik wrote:
Spoiler: "Odoroki's parents"
I believe it was said that Odoroki's father was another performer? He disappeared or died very soon after Odoroki was born. I have to play the Mason system again, but I know there was a brief mention of it in there. I think there are probably two strong possibilities:

1. Odoroki's father is Varan. It's a stretch, but he's also a performer, and Hamigaki did suspect there was some kind of love triangle between him, Zakku, and Yuumi. For as strange as Hamigaki is, many of his suspicions turn out to be right. Also, we still have no idea what Varan's real name is, since in the game he only goes by his stage name.

Though I can't imagine revealing that in GS5 would be much of a big deal, unless there's even more to the Arumajiki than we know (which is possible. The end of GS4 hinted there was a lot more to their power and the bracelets than we know).

2. Odoroki's father hasn't been shown yet: possibly the missing Arumajiki who wears a spade. Zakku wears the club, Varan the heart, and Minuki the diamond (like her mother). There aren't many good pictures of Tensai but they don't show him with any symbol. So why is there no spade? It's possible there's another magician out there, and he just might be Odoroki's papa!

At least, those are my two theories.


I think it was stated that...

Spoiler:
Tensai was the spade. There's a picture of him drawn doing an awesome trick... Image and his concept art (http://www.court-records.net/art/gs4guidebook/25-tensai.jpg show he's the Arumajiki spade.

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Yes, a few posts back I retracted my theory when Tensai's concept art was revealed. You don't get to see him with the spade in the game. I DIDN'T KNOW.

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Croik wrote:
Takumi was forced to write GS4 under only two specific conditions, and one of them was that he had to keep Phoenix in. There's no chance of Phoenix getting killed.

Now, beaten within an inch of his life and hospitalized for the course of the entire game, now THAT would be interesting. Or if he woke up before the last day of trial and insisted the person who did it was the one Odoroki had already agreed to defend!

*dramadramadramadramadrama*


What was this other condition?

It could be the key to this entire series!
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E~A wrote:
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Takumi was forced to write GS4 under only two specific conditions, and one of them was that he had to keep Phoenix in. There's no chance of Phoenix getting killed.

Now, beaten within an inch of his life and hospitalized for the course of the entire game, now THAT would be interesting. Or if he woke up before the last day of trial and insisted the person who did it was the one Odoroki had already agreed to defend!

*dramadramadramadramadrama*


What was this other condition?

It could be the key to this entire series!

Probably something stupid like
-Don't kill off Odoroki or any main character etc.
or
-leave some suspense a la~ "Who is Odorokis dad?" or "Who is Kyouyas and Kirihitos parentage etc"


AHA!
expanding on an earlier idea.
Shelly deKiller is on trial as defendant! (In his alter ego John Doe)
Observe...
Shellys succesor is an unhonorable assasin,
when Mr De Killer retired from the "De Killing" jobs,
The succesor kills someone, and being an excellent assasin, attempts to frame his predecessor!
Shelly (now John Doe) is arrested,
and Odoroki takes his case...
During a court recess... Nick shows up
recognises De Killer from 2-4 (those stiches...)
but, Nick covers DeKiller up from Odoroki...

Ultimately,
in the end,
John Doe admits to previous crimes.... which, then causes his succesor to go to prison.

Thus making Odorokis client innocent, yet guilty of previous crimes!
(of which he goes on trial for)
Splendid!

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What was this other condition?

It could be the key to this entire series!

Probably something stupid like
-Don't kill off Odoroki or any main character etc.
or
-leave some suspense a la~ "Who is Odorokis dad?" or "Who is Kyouyas and Kirihitos parentage etc"


No, it was that he address the jury system.
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Try this one on for size, I just thought of it and it would be crazy.

The victim attacks and attempts to kill the witness. The witness knocks out the victim and runs from the scene, but the killer is still alive but knocked out. The witness runs to the defendant and explains what happened, the defendant says "I'll take care of it" and runs off. Then the victim gets up and is killed by the true killer, killer runs off and defendant runs into room and stand over dead body, then witness runs in, sees dead body on the floor and calls the police.

During the case Odoroki/Phoenix would discover that the victim was the real bad person, and that the true killer saw the attempted murder though another room and took out the true killer for some reason I have not thought of yet. True killer also has grudge against defendant which is why a small video is found from a security camera of the defendant standing over the victim but nothing else (true killer has an Oldbag type job and controls the cameras).

Sounds a bit complicated <.<
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Ok, lets say in case three, you completely play phoenix, and in case the last case, you get to choose to play Odoroki or Phoenix, and then as the case progresses, you get to play the character you didn't play. Sounds wierd I know but I just think it would be cool to have Odoroki's and phoenix's powers. It would make a cool trailer to have Odoroki on one side with his braclet and Phoenix on the other side with his magatama.

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Maya needs to get arrested for something where Odoroki defends her.
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