AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:04 am

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This is the official AAI Countdown thread for case 1-1, The First Turnabout. Use this thread to chat about the case and its characters, any pairings you drew from it, tell us when the last time you played it was and if your feelings about it have changed, etc.

This is just for fun so if you're not following the countdown exactly or at all you're still very welcome to post.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:23 am

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I just finished relaying 1-1 and I think this is the fourth time I've played this case. This one case is always the easiest because it's the first one. Of course they aren't going to make it too difficult or otherwise you'd get frustrated and not want to play the rest. This case was not difficult to replay because despite it being several months since I played it last, I still remembered all the right pieces of evidence to present.

My first impression of Phoenix was that of a giant dork and his basic court sprites still give me that impression. I like his worried and on the spot sprites much better than the ones the court scenes open with.

I remember think Mia's outfit was very revealing the first time I saw her, but now I'm jaded to it. I like her court assistant sprites better than I do her out of court ones. Her outfit looks nice enough, and I think Lawyer!Mia is my favorite sprite of her. This seems like the only case she's in where she isn't super helpful. I thought the clues were helpful enough to make you find the answers on your own, but she wasn't holding your hand to much.

Larry really didn't annoy me this play through and I don't remember finding him annoying the first time. I felt bad or him when Payne talked about Cindy being a huge floozy though.

This play through I kept wondering which piece of evidence would send Sahwit over the edge so he'd rip off his toupee (I couldn't exactly remember when it happened). As far as a breakdown goes, it's not as epic on subsequent play throughs as it seemed the very first time I played it.

Apparently Payne was really forgettable because I forgot to include him in this review (thank you edit button.) I remember him being a bit whiny and annoying on the first play through. I was so glad he was only in the first case because he would have gotten old really fast.

I believe this is the most competent the judge ever is during the trials. He didn't seem like quite the doddering old fool he is in later cases.

The end of the case, of course, made me think something more would be seen in Phoenix and Mia's outside of court life, call it romantic if you will. I wouldn't say I shipped them per se. I consider it a ship if I actually go looking for fan works of the couple and I did not do that until much later and not with them.

I don't remember being overly/underly impressed with the case when I first played it other than it made me want to play the next case because it does have a great lead in. Made me want to find out what happened. This is not a case I'd normally replay because it's not the most thrilling case, but it was fun to revisit for this purpose.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:36 am

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It was a good case to introduce the series in my opinion and replaying that for the 5th time (I think...) confirms this again for me. It's simple and not repetitive- being the first tutorial case in the entire Ace Attorney series. Most of the main characters in the series are also introduced so that's another good point for this case.

Playing this the first time, I thought that if Payne had blond hair, he'd be quite narcissistic. I also thought that Mia was a bit underdeveloped as a character as from what I think, we only saw her comment about wanting to go home or she didn't have faith in Phoenix. Personally, I don't really like Phoenix as a character. He is underdeveloped personality wise and he comes across as a happy go lucky man. Payne's much better than Phoenix in this aspect as at least he focus' on evidence which Phoenix seems to rely only on testimony.

I still like this case but if I had to play it again, I wouldn't. I've gotten quite sick of Sahwit. The humour he originally had was lost quite quickly after he was introduced.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:19 am

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I remember playing this in the airport :3 It was pretty awesome. I was adventurous and pressed stuff, even though I had no idea what it would do.

I fell in love with the series at the start xD I especially liked Mia (and not just for her boobs!) Perhaps this should wait until tomorrow, but I was in denial for the first day of 1-2 that Mia really died xD

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:13 pm

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Ah, I remember watching this case on Youtube early on in April because I was bored and a friend recommended it. I remember how it seemed boring at first, and just when I was about to give up, Mia's sprite shows up and seduced me long enough for me to stay longer and keep watching. Then the dialouge hooked me in even more and I decided to watch the rest of the first game. Which I didn't actually get until August, the last time I played it. I kinda feel like the case got a lot more boring now because it seems way too easy compared to other first cases.

As for pairings, I thought that Phoenix/Mia would be the main series pairing because of this case, sorta the equivalent of Phoenix/Maya or Phoenix/Edgeworth. Yet this feeling died rapidly for obvious reasons.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:33 pm

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This is my third playthrough of the first case. This case is the only one from the first game I have played more than once.
I can't believe how nervous Phoenix was at the start. Not even Apollo wasn't that nervous, so why are so many people saying that Apollo is a wimp?

Also, I wasn't used to Mia being alive at all. Kind of a strange feeling if you ask me.

Also, I noticed some weird things in the sprites.

Why does the upper part of Larry's thumb look so weird?

And why does Mia have blonde hair when you see the whole courtroom?

Apart from that, I loved hearing Pursuit~Cornered again. Can't wait till Case 2!

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:58 pm

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For the very first case it served it's purpose nicely. Focus on a common murder motive, home invasion and murder. Phoenix was as nervous as Apollo was in Turnabout Trump but his case was way longer. Sawhit was just a plain common criminal, no more no less. It was nice to see Mia before she was murdered one case later, guiding Phoenix through some rough points.

I'll give it a 6/10. It was my 3rd playthrough of the case.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:19 pm

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Pixlking wrote:

Also, I noticed some weird things in the sprites.

Why does the upper part of Larry's thumb look so weird?

And why does Mia have blonde hair when you see the whole courtroom?

i saw that last time i played this, too. "waiiit a minute..."

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the light is on the top of her hair, so it looks blonde.

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the only first impression I remember having is going "Oh, he's a lawyer now? He's totally different." (I played 3-1 first)

yeah, pretty simple case. didn't forget much.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:40 pm

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I've only played this case once, maybe twice, because in essence it's very very simple, maybe a little too much so. However, that said, it did get you used to the game format and it made me want to play through the other cases. It also led me to think that Phoenix and Mia would be pretty cute together :) And though Sahwit's breakdown might not have been EPIC, it did make me LOL XD

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:37 pm

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Just finished my replay, Cornered 2001 is awesome, even if you're not really proving anything.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:48 pm

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I beleive this is the second or third time I've played through this case. Much like everyone else has said, this was a pretty solid start to the game and the series for that matter. It wasn't the most thrilling case ever, since it was a tutorial case, but it served its purpose well to introduce us to the gameplay mechanics and the main characters. Sawhit's breakdown was hilarious, one of my favorites for how crazy it is XD

Overall, I'll give this case a C.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:21 pm

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I think this was my fourth replay, and this time I played it on my Wii. Felt the same, thought, just with motion controls (which I really didn't think I would use, but now can't stop using!).

As a first case, it was a great introduction to the series. I too, at first, thought that Phoenix/Mia would be the series' main pairing with this case, but the second one killed that thought (lol the irony).
I remember falling in love with the cross-examination system the first time I played it. Pressing always lead to some funny dialogue, and being able to ask people to explain themselves further felt good. It also felt great when I presented correctly and the music stopped after Phoenix's "Objection!". Taking control of the situation, specially with the incredibly fitting music, was awesome. It still is.

I never thought Larry would have the main role he has in the series after this case. But, for some reason, I did know Payne wouldn't be there the next case. I don't know why, because I really like Payne as comic relief.

Also, after Sahwit's toupee, I thought there would be more "custom made" animations in the series. Apparently they wanted to do it, since they did (but not use) the "heart-eyes" animation for 1-2. They probably got tired of them and didn't do them anymore.

As a closer and a linker to 1-2, "The Thinker" being used as the murder weapon just after Larry gave it to Mia as a gift was a very painful irony, IMO.

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"LIE LIKE A DOG." -Phoenix trying to tell Larry to lie.

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"Daddies? Sugar?" -Larry, when Payne talks about Cindy's "sugar daddies". Just the order of the words made me think that Larry hadn't even the slightiest idea of what Payne was talking about. Poor Larry couldn't relate the two words. Funny.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:26 pm

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Question: Why does everyone spell "Sawhit"? His name is Frank Sahwit, and since I was pronouncing it as Sar-wit I never got the pun until someone explained it to me.
Anyway, good case, a bit tiring for me as AA was the third Ace Attorney game I played. IMO, some of Mia's court sprites look a little off.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:31 pm

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To correctly spell "saw" which is probably easier to do when you're typing quickly and not really paying attention

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:32 am

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The First Turnabout is a great introductory case. It introduces all that you need to actually play in the courtroom, and it's really easy. I've played it for about 3-4 times already, though it's boring if you've already played everything, because the case is very short and simple, and not much of a challenge anymore. I actually thought that Mia would stay for a while, so it was really saddening when, in 1-2, she died. But 1-1 was important in the development of 1-2, mainly because of the Thinker clock. I actually thought, when I first encountered it, that the (Y) beside the (Press) button meant that you only needed to press (Y) to activate (Press). I was fascinated when, when I pressed the (Y) button and said, "Hold it!", it actually activated the function. I actually thought that Payne really defeated so many rookies, but he was so easy to beat that I didn't believe that I defeated such a "great" prosecutor. It turned out I was wrong. Well, that's all I can say about the case for now.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:54 am

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Finished the case. In retrospect, it's memorable to me because it more or less taught me what to expect from the rest of the game but I couldn't dig the case like I did a scant three years ago. Instead, I like to see it not as a separate episode but as a piece of a larger whole, which is usually the case with the first episodes in relation to the final episodes of each game (barring 1-5). Overall, 1-1 is unspectacular by itself but carries more weight when put into an appropriate context. Don't think too much on it and allow it to makes itself more poignant during Turnabout Goodbyes.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:00 am

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Midnight Jasper wrote:

IMO, some of Mia's court sprites look a little off.

I think exactly the same.
But I love her out-of-court animations. Specially when somebody's summoning her, since she's got more expressions. And Mia/Maya... :hotti:

But anyway, that's for tomorrow.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:09 am

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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:

Finished the case. In retrospect, it's memorable to me because it more or less taught me what to expect from the rest of the game but I couldn't dig the case like I did a scant three years ago. Instead, I like to see it not as a separate episode but as a piece of a larger whole, which is usually the case with the first episodes in relation to the final episodes of each game (barring 1-5). Overall, 1-1 is unspectacular by itself but carries more weight when put into an appropriate context. Don't think too much on it and allow it to makes itself more poignant during Turnabout Goodbyes.

The first and fourth case of each game go well together :P (Except JFA wasn't that connected...)

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:14 am

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The first case was an utter bore. That's all.

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:20 am

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Bad Player wrote:

The first and fourth case of each game go well together :P (Except JFA wasn't that connected...)

Yeah, I made a mention to that.

Mr. Bear Jew wrote:

which is usually the case with the first episodes in relation to the final episodes of each game

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Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:47 am

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You said first and final case of each game except Rise from the Ashes. But if you just say the first and fourth case, you don't need to make any exception :P

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Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:14 am

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Oh first case, you are so short and easy! Which is why I haven't played you since the last countdown. This would be time #6 (3 in Japanese, 3 in English) Plus two times that I watched other people play it.

The only thing I noticed this time that I haven't really before was that in Mia's profile sprites, her boobs aren't just out there: they're busting past her suit! I think that crosses the line a bit from sultry into trashy. That plus hitting on Phoenix by the end doesn't exactly set her up as a model of professionalism! But then, I've never been much of a Mia fan.

Also, how is it that a month later Phoenix still hadn't told Mia the story about him being friends with Larry? As her employee he should have seen her five times a week, and it's not a long story. With the cases being spread out so far it feels like there's a lot of time unaccounted for in the series (same thing happens in AJ when Apollo is writing a case report 3 months after the fact).

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:40 am

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So yeah, just finished. This is my 2nd time only. :edgy:

I don't replay much.

Anywho, I found this case to be a lot faster than when I first played it. Still, it was actually quite fun and it made you want to play more. I found this case easy as I found that once you play you can remember what to present and yet it wan't fun.

And for some reason Larry didn't annoy as much as he did in the other games, maybe it was becuase of stupid them song in there.

Overall, an enjoyable case and a good start. Might start on 1-2 later to get on the ball!

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:23 am

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Oops, forgot to finish this yesterday, luckily I did this case and the start of 1-2 this morning.

It's an odd case this one, and it feels much like the pilot episode of the franchise.
Odd music positioning, inconsistent characterisation and the fact that you don't have to press a single statement really differentiate it from the rest of the series.

That said, it's still quite playable. It's nice to have a case where the motive isn't solely based on a mysterious event in the past, it's just a common burglary gone wrong. The sheer speed that Phoenix goes through all the motions is probably the best part, it's amusing to see just how fast Phoenix decides that he's lost the case after having cornered Sahwit for so long.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:29 pm

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Oh yeah forgot to say anything about this yesterday.

Eh, this case loses a lot on replays. It's really short, really easy, and not all that interesting. Sometimes I've just skipped it when replaying the games.

Something I noticed this time - Sahwit really looks like a different person without his toupee. He even looks like he's a different nationality.

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Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:23 pm

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The Phoenix/Mia undertones to the ending is probably an introduction to the irony repeatedly used in the series. It really sounds like Phoenix's reward for winning the case is not only impressing the hot boss, but a chance at a date with her 'Why don't you tell me sometime... over drinks'. If it wasn't for 1-2, we might assume the stereotype happens, if it's a story taken alone. [But of course, straight away, it doesn't, even murdered with the Thinker she just got...]

I still like this case, partly for the nostalgia hit, partly because I'm such a big Phoenix fan and his debut portrays him well. [The crime and its story are nothing, but you don't replay for that...] Besides, I love Mia's upset faces when you get the opening questions wrong.

There's no sense Mia really holds his hand and Phoenix appears competent from the narrative [Mia gives a few very easy 'cryptic' clues, but Phoenix takes charge of the case itself, and a lot of his end 'solving' is outside the player's control.]

The vague allusion to the Edgeworth story and how he owes him and Larry and how they're part of the reason he became a lawyer immediately piqued my interest to his backstory and 'mission' - I still think GS1's narrative works the best of all the games in building up a coherent whole. I think I was then endeared to Phoenix by his sweating sprites, though..
Also, I always did like Larry (though I can readily see why many people don't. The idiotic face and head tilt when he appears on the stand (emphasising Phoenix's difficult task at hand) and his yelping about how they were 'Romeo and Juliet! Cleopatra and Antony!' (Phoenix: Didn't they all DIE?) is still hilarious. As is Sahwit passing out.

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Bad Player wrote:

The first and fourth case of each game go well together :P (Except JFA wasn't that connected...)

Mr. Bear Jew wrote:

which is usually the case with the first episodes in relation to the final episodes of each game

2-1's symbolically related to 2-4. In 2-4 Phoenix has his big moral dilemma 'what is law what is a lawyer what is a defense attorney who am I as a defense attorney' and in 2-1 he gets his temporary identity dilemma 'Who am I? What am I doing?" as well as the nightmare alluding to 2-4.

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Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:30 am

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My sister and I were doing 'time trials' and it my fastest time for playing this case was 7 minutes and 15 seconds. However, when i was doing the countdown, it took me over an hour. I was listening to the music and saving and turing off too see what they said if you chose another option and stuff. LOL I'm really enjoying this xD

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Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:32 pm

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The first case was pretty short and easy. I thought Sahwit's breakdown was weird and funny. Since I played all the other games before, the pairing that got into my head by playing it was Frank/Payne. Cause Payne mentioned he had a shocking wife in another case. And Payne mentioning Cindy had Sugar daddies. In my head I imagined that Payne's "shocking wife." Lol

But it was an okay case. A good starter.

Re: AAI Countdown 1-1: The First Turnabout

Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:41 am

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I reply this case because Sawhit is made of luls.

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Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:26 pm

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While playing this case, I really noticed how dumb Sahwit was. Seriously, he couldn't think of a battery-powered clock or radio or whatever else? This is the 21st century. A battery power would have saved him, baka.

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