Franziska's Voice

Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:13 pm

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As far as I've seen, the characters who have accents show as much in their speech text, Jean being a good example with his "H deficiency". However, though she was born and raised in Germany, therefore likely raised speaking German, Franziska shows no accent in her text. (Note: I've seen her only in Trials and Tribulations since I never completed the other games n.n;)
My theory is this; if she has no accent, it is because she wished to speak perfect English, and had to drop any accent that she might have had. Or, she has no accent due to having been taught English while growing up.
My question is, though: Should she have an accent in an actual voice, even though she has none in her text? Or her objection? (Not that there's much room for a German accent in the word "Objection", but still... :yuusaku:

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Also, if this is in the wrong place, please tell me so. The board description said it was for "Misc Fanstuff/Discussion that doesn't go elsewhere such as 'graphics' and Photoshopping", so I figured a question like this would fit here n.n;

Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:19 pm

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Well, everyone thinks Edgeworth should have a British accent (even though he should also have a German accent if anything, growing up in Germany).

Anyway, don't take their English VA as cannon. In the Japan version they all sound Japanese, because the VAs are from Japan (I assume).

Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:19 pm

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I agree with the "perfect" English thing; it just seems like something she would do.
As neo said, I wouldn't consider the VAs cannon, but I guess if her text doesn't have an accent, she shouldn't either...

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:36 pm

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Yeah, Franziska is like my cousin. She will do anything to assimilate perfectly into American culture. :franny:

As for Edgeworth should have a German accent, he shouldn't because when he moved there, he was like 9 years old and already formed his british accent by then hopefully....... :udgy:

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:26 am

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I'm latin american and never lived in America, and have a perfect english accent... same as french, but I don't speak French (but have a perfect accent), that could be Franzy's case.

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:56 am

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In my headcanon, she doesn't do the 'JA JA I AM GERMAN JA JA" thing because actual German people don't do that.

Jean Armstrong is faking his accent; remember the line where the Judge tells him, "That's not even French!" Likewise, Klavier is definitely exaggerating/faking. Fraulein isn't exactly a politically correct term to throw around, and most actual German people wouldn't, I think. And 'Yes' certainly isn't a hard word...

But again, in my headcanon, Franziska sometimes exaggerates her accent in order to play the 'silly foreigner,' and does the 'foolish fools' thing for the same reason. Several of her lines show a very idiomatic grasp of English, so she knows her stuff. Of course, it could also just be a bit of clumsiness in the translation.

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:15 pm

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I always figured Manfred von Karma would have not accepted anything less than perfection in his children's speech. If they were going to learn English, they'd learn it PERFECTLY. Accents would be unacceptable in his household.

If anything, I figured Manfred would teach British English, as it's technically more proper. Maybe that's where Edgey's accent came from. He grew up in the US, so he didn't originally have one, but Manfred forced it on him. I'd think Franziska would be more likely to have a British accent than a German accent as well...

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:56 pm

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Her accent does have a small british feel to it in her objection....... :udgy:

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:00 am

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Edgeworth is a bit easy to explain...Received Pronunciation. It's called that because just about nobody, even in England, grew up speaking it. Instead, you learn it if you attend a snobby Public school. Von Karma may have put Edgeworth in a snobby English Public school, so he wouldn't have to see the person who shot him every day. This also explains where Edgeworth picked up his tea habit.

Re: Franziska's Voice

Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:01 am

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I've often wondered about this, too. Manfred doesn't have an accent either, so my guess is that both of them learned to speak perfect, unaccented English.

Franziska has some odd lines in T&T. A few of them seem to be pretending ignorance about American culture in order to make fun of it. The lines in question are where she asks whether Americans do whatever they want without regard to rules (when Phoenix suggests that they should obey the 'Do not Enter" sign) and when she asks whether Americans use gravy when paint is not available (regarding the gravy-covered scroll).

When she mistakes the tie-down point for the bridge cables (what do you call that anyway?) for a boat mooring, she probably just said something stupid without thinking.

There's an explanation for when she asks whether the Buddha statues represent the number of siblings Sister Bikini has. Either they are or she is mistaking them for statues of Jizo, the guardian of children. People in Japan erect them in honor of children who have died.

As for "huffy-puffy loosey-goosey whimpering whining wuss of a witness," your guess is as good as mine. I have never figured out that line.

Re: Franziska's Voice

Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:47 am

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moonfall wrote:

As for "huffy-puffy loosey-goosey whimpering whining wuss of a witness," your guess is as good as mine. I have never figured out that line.

Well that made sense to me; the witness had no balls :franny:

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:10 pm

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neoswordmaster wrote:

Well, everyone thinks Edgeworth should have a British accent (even though he should also have a German accent if anything, growing up in Germany).

Actually, I know a few people who are from Germany. When they speak English, it sounds slightly British. So, Edgeworth could totally have a British-y accent. ^_^

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:30 am

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moonfall wrote:

As for "huffy-puffy loosey-goosey whimpering whining wuss of a witness," your guess is as good as mine. I have never figured out that line.

Huh. Maybe she tries to, in her spare time, learn American local slang and stuff. Which would explain that one time she said 'whatever' which really didn't seem like 'High Class German Prosecutor Franziska von Karma'.

Re: Franziska's Voice

Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:51 pm

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I've read that after a certain age (usually between fifteen and twenty-five), it becomes impossible to learn new accents, even if you learn the associated language. Considering that Franziska spoke English as early as thirteen, I don't think it's a stretch to say that she had no trouble also mastering the associated accent--though whether she learned an English or American accent is open to interpretation, since the only English-language voice clip we have of her doesn't give us much room to distinguish between the two accents.

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:16 pm

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I always imagined her to sound like Captain Janeway with a slight German lilt.

Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:35 pm

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Franziska's English VA sounds slightly Asian/American to me for some reason.
I always imagine Maya/Mia as Japanese or Japanese-Americans.

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:47 pm

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In the spanish version, Franziska has the same voice as Mia,
In T&T there was a part where phoenix was losing, then i heard a girl saying "OBJECTION!"
and i was like :ack:

WHAAT? did Franziska came to save my ass?
and no, it was just mia, i got dissapointed. :sadshoe:

Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:52 pm

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I think Franziska might have a slight German accent when she speaks... But I also think she learned that 'perfect English' when she grew up.
And Miles' 'british accent'... Doesn't Miles Edgeworth sound slightly more British than American in the first place? Who knows, maybe Gregory came from England originally.

Though I can also imagine Miles speaking perfect German too.

I don't think Miles has any strong accent, I kinda imagine he sounds... Accent neutral...? :'DDD I don't know what I'm saying anymore. xD

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:40 pm

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She speaks with a very American accent, in my opinion. I've been to Holland loads of times(where they don't speak English as a first language), and when a lot of the Dutch speak English, it's with an American accent. It's because of American TV, and that, isn't it? It's possible Franziska learnt her pronounciation from watching TV, and speaks with an American accent because of that.

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:48 pm

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P!ATD wrote:

It's possible Franziska learnt her pronounciation from watching TV, and speaks with an American accent because of that.

It is impossible to receive American TV in germany. But since Ace Attorney plays in the future... oh well, I guess it could be possible.
However, you usually learn Oxford English in Germany at school first. If she wasnt at a private school, and I think she was, she wouldn't have a perfect American accent. But we can't make that out from only one word.

Re: Franziska's Voice

Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:47 pm

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Tacas wrote:

P!ATD wrote:

It's possible Franziska learnt her pronounciation from watching TV, and speaks with an American accent because of that.

It is impossible to receive American TV in germany. But since Ace Attorney plays in the future... oh well, I guess it could be possible.
However, you usually learn Oxford English in Germany at school first. If she wasnt at a private school, and I think she was, she wouldn't have a perfect American accent. But we can't make that out from only one word.

But you can get American programmes with German subtitles, can't you? I've been to Germany, and I've seen American programmes on the TV. =/

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Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:47 pm

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I... had a bad day wehn I wrote this, sorry. XD Yeah, there are several programmes like MTV we can receive... so, just forget about everything I wrote. :payne:

Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:38 pm

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Tacas wrote:

I... had a bad day wehn I wrote this, sorry. XD Yeah, there are several programmes like MTV we can receive... so, just forget about everything I wrote. :payne:

Would Franny watch MTV? Doubtful. She'd whip the TV when she saw it. She probably just watches humorless TV shows on A&E or Cold Case, ect

Re: Franziska's Voice

Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:52 pm

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jonathanrp wrote:

Tacas wrote:

I... had a bad day wehn I wrote this, sorry. XD Yeah, there are several programmes like MTV we can receive... so, just forget about everything I wrote. :payne:

Would Franny watch MTV? Doubtful. She'd whip the TV when she saw it. She probably just watches humorless TV shows on A&E or Cold Case, ect

Oh I dunno, I could definitely imagine her being a huge fan of 'My Super Sweet Sixteen' and 'The Hills' and that. XD :whip:

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