This is the official AAI Countdown thread for case 4-2, Turnabout Corner. Use this thread to chat about the case and its characters, any pairings you drew from it, tell us when the last time you played it was and if your feelings about it have changed, etc.

This is just for fun so if you're not following the countdown exactly or at all you're still very welcome to post.

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I found this case rather enjoyable. It had a good backstory to it.
Unfortunately, the most memorable thing about this case was THE MAGIC PANTIES!

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This case was fun! Lots of good characters, especially.

To get it out of the way, though, I wasn't a big fan of Alita. I like her design and poses, but her "innocent wife" facade was paper-thin. Just... something about the way she smiled set off red flags in my head as soon as I saw her. I found her to be too predictable a villain, personally, even if she herself is an interesting character.

I love the Kitaki family! Wocky, Little Plum, Big Wins... I loved all three of them because while they all have their intimidating moments, they aren't bad people at heart. That Wocky always tried to act tough on the surface made him interesting (and sort of adorable). What really got me was how Big Wins was trying to turn around the Kitaki clan solely for his son's sake, though. Trying to change your clan's ways to save your son's life and change the way he sees the world... Big Wins = awesome.

I'm also oddly fond of Stickler, perhaps just for how ridiculous he was. He stole panties for SCIENCE! XD

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When I first played the case, I wasn't too fond of it but since I've let it sink in for awhile I'll say that it was pretty good. I knew Alita was the killer as soon as she had that arrogant smirk on her face while she was on the stand. It was a little saddening and creepy that Dr. Meraktis had thrown her into a noodle stand to dispose of her body though. I have to say that the case had some very unique circumstances.

I also loved how *everyone* referred to Stickler as "panties guy" after his testimony. It was just brilliant.

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Gonna stop playing through the countdown now because I just replayed AJ a couple months ago and yesterday I was rushing through 4-1 too much to really enjoy it.

Anyway, this is probably my favorite case from AJ. I remember seeing the opening sequence from it before the game came out and being really really intrigued. You've got a stolen noodle stand, a car accident, a panty snatching, and then a murder. All seemingly unrelated but then ultimately coming together to tell the whole story. Wesley was amusing, and discovering the method behind the murder was pretty cool. I know I've seen a lot of people complain that Alita Tiala is just another Dahlia but I don't really see her that way. Admittedly she's someone who seems kinda nice and then turns out to be a murderer but other than that... she doesn't really try to charm everyone like Dahlia did. And she seems much more worldly. I like her.

Wocky admittedly is irritating, but as defendents go, he doesn't really show up too much in the case so that's fine. I like his parents a lot though.

This case was very enjoyable! Loved how in the beginning you're just off on apparently meaningless tasks. This little exchange proved to me (as if I needed any more convincing) that I was in very good hands with this game.

Apollo:
Well, the first item on our
list...

Trucy:
Phoenix Wright... Daddy's
hit and run accident.

Trucy:
We have to find the one who
hit him!

Apollo:
...Who's going to pay us for
this again?

Trucy:
And the second item...

Trucy:
Mr. Eldoon's request..
to find his noodle stand.

Apollo:
For which we stand to gain...
a bowl of salty noodles...

Trucy:
And the last request is mine!

Trucy:
To find my stolen panties!

Apollo:
...That bowl of noodles is
looking better and better.

I loved the panties jokes as well (no, they don't get old to me), and the ladder/stepladder reference was great. (Yes, Trucy, you're in the right, or should I say "Wright," tradition.)

I really felt bad for Wesley Stickler, though. He tried to explain that he just wanted to figure out the trick, but everyone else is just like "Ooh, that's so perverted, get away from me you sicko!" Poor guy.

There are so many more highlights I wish I could mention here, but there are just way too many! Suffice it to say, I love this case!

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This.

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Didn't like this case. The plot is okay but the investigations are slow as hell, and most characters except the Kitakis are obnoxious.

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I liked it. Enjoyable characters and interesting enough plot - it's just too bad the killer wasn't as good as the rest of the characters. She was really kind of bland.

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This case was loltastic.
Panties, noodles, gangsters, murder, hit and run, Hotti, magic, science and crazy courtroom time.
I loved it. :3

Plum is a godess.

I liked how the Kitaki family were representations of different syndicates/gangsters.

Plum = Yakuza
Winfred = Mafia
Wocky = "gangsta" wannabe

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First of all I have to say that I really enjoy doing the scientific investigation parts of this case. So much better than in 1-5, and more involving than just spraying luminol everywhere.

As for the case itself, I have to say that it was a little disappointing. Most of the characters are bland (Stickler for one) and just seem to materialise out of nowhere (again, Stickler). The only thing that saves it is a Hotti cameo. (Hmmm, yes ).

Also, this the first case where I really notice that Phoenix is the one pulling the strings instead of taking a backseat to Apollo, like he should have done. Finally, Klavier is practically spoonfeeding Apollo in this case which really annoys me.

Overall then, it's an OK case and the best this game has to offer (more on that later), but apart from a few good bits it isn't that interesting or memorable.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can admit that my only memories of this case are Panties, panties, and MORE PANTIES.

Ahem, but anyway, this case was pretty cool. The return of SCIENCE, abusing accusing Alita Tialita, and the plot was good too. The only thing that ruins this case is Wocky Kitaki.

Wocky reminds me of most of the deliquents which I have the misfortune of dealing with every day. He's like College Phoenix except he's a furry and he's way more annoying with the whole gangster thing. Add a few "n*ggahs" and "f*ggots" into the dialouge and he'd fit right in California's urchins. But it's not just his gangsta talk that gets to me, he's also so insensitive. How could he be so mean to his dad after all he's done for him?! I'd wish Wocky were dead if it didn't mean Winfred and Plum would suffer because of it. His love for Alita also felt very...artificial.

Alita was able to gain more sympathy from me than Wocky did, that's saying something seeing as she could've just asked Meraktis to destroy the charts instead of give them to her. Though I didn't suspect her at all until the end. It still felt good abusing accusing her.

Ema's return was amazing, as soon as I saw her I became absolutely enamored with her for her hatred of rock stars and love for salty snacks. Plus the scientific investigation was fun, fun, FUN! As always, even though it usually looks like masturbation but anyways...

Trucy was also awesome in this case, here in this case, any doubt about whether or not she was Pearl was removed, mostly because her music didn't sound like Pearl's, I knew now that they HAD to be different... The scene with Mr. Hat was also pure gold. There was so much talk about her Magic Panties, it's hard to remember that she's only 15. Which is fine because I'm 15 too.

Wesley Stickler is by far, one of the most hilarious characters ever to grace the glory of Ace Attorney. I mean he stole panties for science. SCIENCE. How more awesome can you get?!? He's more of a man than I'll ever be. He also attended the SAME COLLEGE as Phoenix and Dahlia! That practically makes them all like best buddies or something! Though I still wonder, why did he need to steal more panties? What would that possibly do for his investigation? Something's not right here...

I like Plum and Winfred, they seemed like good parents but they probably should've raised their child better. Maybe some spanking would've helped.

I thought that Eldoon was the killer. Not much else I can add except that I want a hat like his.

Klavier Gavin, I didn't like him at first. He was as Ema put it, "A Glimmerous Fop". I detest rock star singer/musician type people and Klavier seemed no different. Until of course, I saw his prosecuting abilities. What can I say, THEY WERE TERRIBLE. He practically handed most of the case to Apollo. It is for this reason that Klavier is awesome. Heck, he was a bigger help than Phoenix was in this case, and that should be saying something. Guilty Love is also an awesome theme.

Overall, nice case, but I hope that bullet moves soon...

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I really enjoyed this case. Not just because I like Yakuza in general, but I liked Wocky and his parents right away (especially having played it in Japanese first - no crazy gangsta lingo!) and Stickler and Eldoon were really funny. I liked that they inserted the connection between Eldoon as the inheritor of Phoenix and Maya's ramen runs, even though it's sad that part wasn't as clear in the localization. And even though the panty gags were cheap entertainment, it still makes me laugh.

The whole "Meraktis only pretended to fix Wocky but left the bullet in him" thing was super creepy, also. The first time I had to have Wocky repeat his testimony because I was sure I was misreading. Yikes! Great case.

The one thing that really could have used improvement (IMO) was Alita. Her motive was fine but her two-faced-ness felt really typical and her breakdown wasn't as impressive as others in the game. A decent killer, but nothing special.

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OH I forgot to mention how much I like Eldoon. Partly because he and I share the same (first) name. But also because he's so amusing and has one of the most subtle yet effective 'transformations' in the series when he takes his noodle bowl off.

This is my favorite case in Apollo Justice. It does a great job building the Trucy/Apollo dynamic from scratch. Watching them (and occasionally Phoenix) interact is the best thing about the whole game.

It was great seeing Ema again, too. I love what a ridiculous, lovable grump she's grown up into, and I really love how different she is from her little 1-5 self. I think it would have been easy for the writers to just thrown her in there to act familiar and do SCIENCE, but they gave her a whole personality that's a pretty believable extrapolation from the teenager we saw before. I sort of go back and forth on this, because there are a lot of cute mix-n-match couples in Ace Attorney, but I really think Apollo and Ema are cute together.

The Kitakis are simultaneously adorable and hilarious. Winfred opening his little dot eyes at the end of the case reduces me to giggles every time.

I didn't like this case very much... The characters were very unlikable, like Wocki, Eldoon and Stickler, and this took off some points... I did like the killer, because when I first saw her I had no suspicions at all, and this was one of the few cases I entered the last trial without knowing who the killer was. The kitaki parents were OK.
But in the end, I must say this was the case I least liked of AJ, mainly because it had no effect on the main AJ plot, and everything would have been the same without it. Just another filler case, I guess.

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But this is the case that actually tells us Trucy's name, introduces the new Ema Skye, and most importantly, gives Apollo a job. After the first case, Apollo mentioned how he was out of a job. In this case, he actually gets his job back again...

I hardly see how this is a filler case.

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Yeah, but those are secondary things. What I mean by AJ plot is everything related to

If this case wouldn't have existed, we would have still seen all that you said:
Introduce Trucy
Introduce Ema
Introduce Apollo's job, etc.

It would have been the first time in 4-3, which would be practically the same.

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You make me cry bitter tears, Blake.

This was my favorite case of Apollo Justice.

But when Alita first appeared on-screen --before she even started talking-- I was like "she's the killer".

All of the characters were really amusing and the scientific investigation was fun even if it was a little tacked on. When Winfred Kitaki's dramatic shaded eyes turned out to be huge eyebrows and they roose to reveal puppy dog eyes it creeped me out. D: Didn't see that coming.

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Except the only reason Apollo was at the concert in the first place is because Klavier gave him tickets, which he wouldn't have done had they not been first introduced in 4-2.

The Kitakis may not be imperative in AJ's over-all narrative, but there were many things in it that had to happen for the plot to proceed, such as Apollo agreeing to come work for the office, building a report with Trucy, Ema, and Klavier, introducing the Perceive system properly, etc. He couldn't just show up in 4-3 and already be semi-buddy buddy with everyone, there needs to be build up, and that's what 4-2 provides.

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Hmm you're right about that. Passing from 4-1 to 4-3 would have been impossible, but still, if a 4-2 still existed, but was a completely different case it would have been the same. Trucy, Ema and Klavier would have been introduced for the first time and all.
I was mistaken. You can "replace" this case, but you cannot "remove" it.

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To be honest, I didn't like this case. I though the plot was good and there was okay music but it was too boring for my tastes. The investigations are really slow- especially in the beginning. I don't like it being too slow- I'd prefer if it was more linear like 4-3 and 4-4's beginning and mason investigations.

Wocky Kitaki, Eldoon, Pal and Alita are some of my most hated characters. I didn't like them but I loved Wocky's parents. Little Plum is just awesome

Trucy was really good in this case. I loved how magic panties came up a lot. Also, it was funny to see how Phoenix reacts when Apollo presents his attorney's badge. I like Phoenix's personality in this as he's much more reserved and cooler than GS1-3 Phoenix.

Concluding, a boring case so I wouldn't play it again.

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My thoughts about the characters:

Wocky, Plum & Winfred: Cute and quirky characters. I love the yakuza, and they do feel like good additions to the character cast.
Alita: Bland, bland, bland. Not only was she predictable as heck she was also generic.
Stickler: He felt like Richard Wellington 2.0... I didn't really like his character until Apollo accused him of stealing Trucy's panties.
Eldoon: He was nothing special at the beginning of the case IMO. Then he took off the noodle bowl on his head and turned awesome. IDK why, I just liked his "serious" personality better. He has some good quotes too.

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Most of what I love about Apollo Justice stems from this case alone. People stealing panties for science, Ema being a Snackoo Pac-Man, Hotti's cameo, the introduction of Klavier... But the main thing I loved from this case were the Kitakis. They were some of the best characters of the entire game, even their theme was awesome!

In fact, the only things I didn't like about this case were Alita's tell-tale smirk (it ruined the entire case for me) and Eldoon - his need to bring out his harmonica every 5 minutes irritated me.

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You're kidding, right? That little trill of his was AWESOME!

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It was awesome at first, but for me he soon turned into this broken record consisting of "I want my noodle stand!" "Your noodles will be extra salty!" and that harmonica. I had a little bit of faith placed back into him when I found out his full link to the story, but he was still far too sour for my liking.

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True, he did tend to repeat himself, now that I think about it.



Point taken.

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I loved this case, I replayed it on the way back from adeliade.

I liked it because Klavier, Ema, Trucy, Phoenix....and kinda Apollo.

The plot was annoying though because Klavier figured it out before you (way to make me feel dumb)

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This was my favorite case from AJ and my favorite second case in the series, next to Reunion & Turnabout.

The case was really interesting, in that it starts off with you watching the intro with some random guy pulling a cart of some sort, and then you see a girl chasing a guy, and then someone getting hit by a car, and then you see another guy in front of the guy with the cart, and then there's a gunshot. When I first saw this I was like 'WTF is going on?!" It was creepy in my opinion.

However, like Tap said, the investigation phases are VERY slow in this case. For me, I felt like I was going around in circles at times because I would get stuck and not know where to go next. I loved the scientific bits with Ema though, when you do the fingerprinting and shoe-printing. That was really fun.

The courtroom phases didn't seem as slow to me for some reason, and it was quite hilarious at times, especially when the panties were involved... And did I mention that panties are all over this case? I believe every character says the word 'panties' at least once, and after the case was over that was the biggest thing that stuck out in my mind about this case... I have never heard that word so much in my entire life 8D

And now, onto the characters:

Apollo: This case was probably his best performance, next to the previous episode 'Turnabout Trump'. He really seemed to be in control for the most part here, except in the courtroom I feel like Klavier was helping him too much. The funniest part though was when he presented Trucy's panties in the courtroom for when you have to solve the mystery of why Meraktis' car wouldn't start XD Poor Polly...

Trucy: My god, is she adorable~ I loved her so much in this game. She's my favorite assistant next to Maya. This is her 'true' introduction, since in 'Turnabout Trump' you only see her for a split second. I love how she calls Phoenix 'Daddy' and Apollo 'Polly'. She's also a little naive, however, but hey, she's only 15 :) She's definitely one of my favorite characters in the game besides Apollo himself. "You're good at finding panties, Polly!" XD

Phoenix: This was probably his most minor role in the game. The only thing that really happens with him is that he gets hit by a car and that he tells you to help Eldoon find his noodle stand. Not much else to say here, really. Oh yeah, there was that cameo of Dr. Hotti (Dr. Hickfield, my ass, that's Hotti and you know it :P )

Klavier: The new prosecutor for this game. He may not be as classy as Edgeworth, or as epic as Godot, but still, I thought he was pretty cool. I thought it was unique that they decided to make him a rock-star on the side. Variety FTW. And oh yeah, he's a glimmerous fop, too :D

Ema: The science geek from 'Rise From The Ashes' returns! But this time she's older and she's turned into a bit of a crab. And she eats Snackoos all the time. However, doing scientific stuff with her is awesome and fun :D

Wocky: Your defendant in this case. I have to say, he was my favorite one in the game and one of my favorites in the whole series. I have no idea why I like him, but I just do for some reason :/ When I first saw him (When Alita shows you the photo of him), I was like "What the hell...?! They're putting furries in these games now? And why does he have Coco Bandicoot's quiff thing??" Yeah, I thought he looked weird at first, and then when you see him in the detention center, I started laughing so hard when he started with his 'gangsta' lingo. Yes, he is very over the top and obnoxious, but that's what's so funny about him to me. I love characters like this for some reason (You're looking at someone who saw 'Malibu's Most Wanted' in theaters). I also felt a lot of sympathy for him, because he got betrayed by his so called fiancee and the doctor that was supposed to save his life pretty much left him to die :( And at the end of the case, even though he was in total denial of what happened, I had a feeling that he might eventually become grateful of Apollo helping him (Or maybe not?? Who knows?). So yeah, I love this guy =^3^= *Hugs Wocky plushie*

Plum: This woman is one badass mofo, I swear XD She's your typical mother archetype, except she's armed with a KATANA in her broom! When I first saw that I was like "Holy shit is she gonna slice me?!" But yeah, Plum is awesome 8D

Winfred: He scares me ._.; But he's real sweet though, what with him trying to get out of the mob just to protect his son *aww*. His puppy dog eyes are creepy though... Makes me wonder what Wocky will be like when he's his age... And I love his apron.

Alita: When I first saw her, I thought she was pretty cute. She seemed to love Wocky just as much as he did, but you find out she's the killer, I was like "WTF... Oh, great, a Dahlia clone..." Yes, Alita was nothing but a rehash of Dahlia Hawthorne with a little bit of Mimi/Ini Miney mixed in. She is pretty much the most boring villain in the entire series, almost on par with Frank Sahwit. Her motive was just so stupid; So you wanna marry Wocky just for his money? Really? And you had to kill somebody just for that? It's just too generic and unoriginal in my eyes. And her breakdown is one of the worst in the series; Her dress just explodes feathers like we're about to watch a henshin from a magical girl show. WTF? In short,didn't like her, she's nothing but a Dahlia wannabe in the form of a magical girl anime reject. Man, taking her down in court was oh so satisfying

Eldoon: I liked Eldoon, he was cool. However, I thought at one point he was the killer, but when you find Alita's shoes that was a dead giveaway that that wasn't the case. And when he took off his 'noodle wig' and said that he used to be rivals with Meraktis, I was surprised, because I didn't expect that at all. It was also sad how he sad that Wocky was gonna die if he didn't go to a 'real' surgeon as soon as possible. And that harmonica was cool.

Stickler: Mr. 'Panties Guy' himself. I thought he was quite hilarious, being this studious guy that blabs on and on and on about totally irrelevant stuff, and then you find out he's a big pervert XD Those panties are for science, eh? Somehow, I highly doubt that... ._.;

My closing thoughts: This case was quite good, with some memorable characters and a good story overall, but the only thing that brings it down a little are the investigations being a bit too slow and having a really bland villain. A case worth replaying, definitely.