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grim_tales wrote:
Totally agree with you. I love Nick, but really want to learn more about Apollo as well. I'd rather have AJ2 than Mia Fey: AA because then we'd be playing a whole game of effectively flashback cases.
Seconded.
Also, I haven't hammered out the details, but I had an idea for a case in GS5. A crossing guard named Don T. Walk is a victim of a seemingly simple hit and run case, but this is not so in typical AA fashion. Depending on whether or not Apollo is the same character, the defense/ prosecution will be:
and 
I would expect this to be a simple first case. I came up with this when I was walking home from school and saw the Don't Walk sign (That is how I got the silly Ace Attorney-esque name) at the stoplight haha. It was just a brief thought, but I may post some other details if I think of more.
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I still yearn to see some some phoenix wright characters, but at the same time I really want apollo and trucy to develop more. Perhaps phoenix as a prosecuter?
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I mean really! The whole GS4 was a big merry sue story.
I'm not mad about that Phoenix got dissbared.
It's likely more HOW it happened and how they brutally tried to fit Phoenix in a story which he didn't belong to... (You could replace Mr.Phoenix Wright with Mr. Randomguy who was a good attorney, then got dissbared because of kristoph gavin... the only difference would be, that you won't be at Wright anything Agency but just in Randomguy anything Agency and there were not so much refference about the old AA main characters...)
and bevore they make more crap... take an other person to the defence bench!
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I think there would be many angry mobs around if we killed of Edgy. But I am pretty sick of him as a prosecuter, a witness would be good. Then we could see a breakdown.
I still yearn to see some some phoenix wright characters, but at the same time I really want apollo and trucy to develop more. Perhaps phoenix as a prosecuter?
I still yearn to see some some phoenix wright characters, but at the same time I really want apollo and trucy to develop more. Perhaps phoenix as a prosecuter?
Didn't Edgeworth breakdown somewhat in 1-4 when he got all angsty about thinking he killed his father? It did look like he was holding back tears...
Phoenix as a prosecutor would be OoC, but it would be interesting to see how you beat if he still has his Magatama with him. In fact, I wonder... maybe since prosecutors make more money and the Wright Anything Agency is going down the drain, Phoenix would resort to drastic measures?
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Phoenix as a prosecutor would be good- if you've noticed, he never really proves innocence, he condemns who he believes is the murderer. He would be a good prosecutor- maybe play a role similar to Edgeworth in 2-4.
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Imagine a prosecutor who has the nickname of "The Snake". The Snake has a reputation of a defensive prosecuting style. S/He prepares evidence and witnesses in a fashion that is intended to confuse and derail the defense's argument so that they slip up and dig their own grave. The Snake is known for great patience in waiting for the moment where the defense is in that state, and that is when they strike, raising an objection and obliterating the defense. This is the only time they become agressive, lying in wait and deflecting minor points until this moment comes, hence the nickname.
Instead of a traditional health bar seen in previous AA games, what if The Snake could take you out in a single "OBJECTION!!"? This is where Apollo's perceive ability comes in. While you are cross-examining, presenting evidence etc. you would have to keep tabs on The Snake through Perceive in order to get an idea of whether you are on the right track. For the sake of argument, his/her left eye becomes wider and more intense, snake like, if you are not on the right track. At that point you must re-evaluate your train of thought or else you will lose the case. Very slick, eh?
Storyline wise, this would also strike fear into the player. As everyone knows, the prosecutor always loses the middle 2 cases, right? With The Snake, the player - and Apollo, would get the feeling that The Snake is simply waiting for the final case to strike. Perhaps covering up a murder by framing someone, screwing over Apollo or Phoenix, or covering for a murderer.
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grim_tales wrote:
What about a case where you have to defend the Judge himself? I came across a fancase called "The Judges Turnabout" and that sounds a pretty cool and interesting idea.
You also kinda missed this one.
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I mean, think about it, we've got so far
Payne - he's always loosing his grip.
Edgeworth - A cool customer, and always exceptionally prepared.
Von Karma - Prepared to a T, often underhandedly
Franziska - again, often prepared but easily riled, occasionally LESS in control of the court room than she appears.
Godot - goes about it in an odd way, but definitely remains calm and collected.
Klavier - who always plays the crowd, but definitely knows what he's doing.
I mean there are individual times when you think you've got them on the ropes and they spit your bones out afterwards, but can you imagine a prosecutor conducting themselves more ditzy or stupid than they actually are? Maybe they'll start by making a fizzle out objection, but then when you're on a roll with one of your tangents, they'll innocently ask the one question that completely destroys your line of reasoning.
It could be also an interesting way to show how Apollo had matured to have a prosecutor act less "With it" than him.
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The prosecutor should be Regina on the outside and Manfred on the inside xDD
However, I think it would only really work if s/he was the prosecutor for the last case, since I feel it would get a bit old after a few cases.
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Bad Player wrote:
I like that idea...
The prosecutor should be Regina on the outside and Manfred on the inside xD
However, I think it would only really work if s/he was the prosecutor for the last case, since I feel it would get a bit old after a few cases.
The prosecutor should be Regina on the outside and Manfred on the inside xD
However, I think it would only really work if s/he was the prosecutor for the last case, since I feel it would get a bit old after a few cases.
Very true, it would have to be done carefully to make it good for a character. Acting like Ini all the time could get grating on the nerves after even one case. On the other hand I think that a more mild type of ditz-Prosector could work well as a three case structure (Like cases 2-4 of the game)
During the first case Apollo really thinks she's a ditz and would be taken by surprise when she starts poking his case full of holes. Then during the second case he's a little more on his guard and sometimes forces her to take the offensive a little bit. Then by the end of the last case you completely crack her facade and maybe even find out why she was acting dumb.
It could make for some interesting character traits (Maybe she doesn't even do a real Objection! for a while she just says like "Um... Question..."?) And definitely some cool character dynamics. (Klavier with his emphasis on truth would definitely be put off by her, Ema might like her at first, but who knows etc.) It would also differentiate her as a character from the rest of them.
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Bad Player wrote:
I like that idea...
The prosecutor should be Regina on the outside and Manfred on the inside xD
However, I think it would only really work if s/he was the prosecutor for the last case, since I feel it would get a bit old after a few cases.
The prosecutor should be Regina on the outside and Manfred on the inside xD
However, I think it would only really work if s/he was the prosecutor for the last case, since I feel it would get a bit old after a few cases.
Very true, it would have to be done carefully to make it good for a character. Acting like Ini all the time could get grating on the nerves after even one case. On the other hand I think that a more mild type of ditz-Prosector could work well as a three case structure (Like cases 2-4 of the game)
During the first case Apollo really thinks she's a ditz and would be taken by surprise when she starts poking his case full of holes. Then during the second case he's a little more on his guard and sometimes forces her to take the offensive a little bit. Then by the end of the last case you completely crack her facade and maybe even find out why she was acting dumb.
It could make for some interesting character traits (Maybe she doesn't even do a real Objection! for a while she just says like "Um... Question..."?) And definitely some cool character dynamics. (Klavier with his emphasis on truth would definitely be put off by her, Ema might like her at first, but who knows etc.) It would also differentiate her as a character from the rest of them.
I think she should just be prosecutor for one case... and obviously, that makes it best for her to be the prosecutor during the last case :P In the first case you have her, you'll see that she's really ditzy and stupid, but as soon as she starts killing your case, it'll be pretty easy to tell it's a facade. So if she's the prosecutor for multiple cases, on the second one and on, you'll just be thinking "Yeah, yeah, she acts stupid but she's good, I get it" while on the first case it'll take you by surprise. That's why I think she should just be prosecutor during the last case.
I think she should have two objections. One when she's stupid, and one when she's in destruction-mode. Her stupid objection should be like this (credit to Rina-chan), and her destruction-mode objection should be like
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Bad Player wrote:
I think she should just be prosecutor for one case... and obviously, that makes it best for her to be the prosecutor during the last case :P In the first case you have her, you'll see that she's really ditzy and stupid, but as soon as she starts killing your case, it'll be pretty easy to tell it's a facade. So if she's the prosecutor for multiple cases, on the second one and on, you'll just be thinking "Yeah, yeah, she acts stupid but she's good, I get it" while on the first case it'll take you by surprise. That's why I think she should just be prosecutor during the last case.
I think she should have two objections. One when she's stupid, and one when she's in destruction-mode. Her stupid objection should be like this (credit to Rina-chan), and her destruction-mode objection should be like
I think she should have two objections. One when she's stupid, and one when she's in destruction-mode. Her stupid objection should be like this (credit to Rina-chan), and her destruction-mode objection should be like
Spoiler: AAI
The really interesting question would be how to lead into that storywise. There's only two scenerios where the last case is handled by a different prosecutor than the rest of them: Prosecutor missing and prosecutor on trial. (And with the exception of AA the "new" prosecutor is usually a returning character. Introducing a Prosecutor for a single case is hard without making them related to the previous one in some way.
Actually it might be interesting to force some character development out of Klavier this way. Say he's still the Prosecutor for most of the game, but they put the pressure on and start exploring his perfectionist side. Then in the last case he turns up as the defendant? The Ditz Prosecutor could be a nice foil for him.
I'm having trouble shaking the Von Karma vibes though.
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Apollo: So, I take it Klavier is the prosecutor?
Ema: Actually, a different prosecutor got assigned to this case.
Done. It's not like Klavier has any specific reason to want to prosecute Polly's trials (as opposed to Franzy and Edgey in JFA, and Godot in T&T)
EDIT: Oooh! Other idea! Klavier can't prosecute your trial since he's already been assigned to another trial... which winds up being connected to your case! :D
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I think the next game should try dealing with a criminal who has no legal identity. As in, no birth name, no birth number, nothing; they pretty much live off the grid. It would make trying to convict them a lot more interesting since their legal existence isn't acknowledged by the law.
Though, I know next to shit about how the legal system could deal with such a thing, if it has ever occurred and if it's possible to be born without an identity.
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Though, I know next to shit about how the legal system could deal with such a thing, if it has ever occurred and if it's possible to be born without an identity.
Such a person would be given a placeholder name like "John Doe" or "Jane Doe" I believe.
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Mind you, no need to fix what ain't broke and all that, but it could add to replayability a little.
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That might work, but I think the reason some writers avoid that is 1. it's a pain. 2. Not so many people are going to replay the cases. Even a VERY branching game like Mass Effect 2, not everyone is going to replay. 3. Things may not come together as well. If there are two ways that X plot element will be carried out, a poll will probably show one way as preferred, or having a cooler result. Then, why have the other way?
People talk about choice a lot in games, and while a lot of it may be true, I think the more important part is just the feeling of player causality. "I did this, so that happens." which doesn't necessarily mean choices. As The Architect said, the illusion of choice works well enough.
Sorry, I'm getting all game design with my head in the clouds. I wanna say I do like that idea of a prosecutor having a Villainous Reveal like a lot of the witnesses/killers do.
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You know, like, there was a murder in Kurain village again and Phoenix ask Apollo to go and investigate, and he met with Maya and Pearl but he doesn't know who they are and Maya is acussed of murder again, and Apollo has to defend her in court...
And... Edgeworth is back, with...
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You mean like a branching story, Bluesky? (or possibly closer to the Gears o War-style two roads lead to one destination thing)
That might work, but I think the reason some writers avoid that is 1. it's a pain. 2. Not so many people are going to replay the cases. Even a VERY branching game like Mass Effect 2, not everyone is going to replay. 3. Things may not come together as well. If there are two ways that X plot element will be carried out, a poll will probably show one way as preferred, or having a cooler result.
That might work, but I think the reason some writers avoid that is 1. it's a pain. 2. Not so many people are going to replay the cases. Even a VERY branching game like Mass Effect 2, not everyone is going to replay. 3. Things may not come together as well. If there are two ways that X plot element will be carried out, a poll will probably show one way as preferred, or having a cooler result.
Hmm, point taken. Yeah, I was thinking something like that, only a bit more minor, with like subtle effects, you know? Don't tell me if there was the prospect of your favourite character having an extra scene or hidden juicy dialogue you wouldn't be at least tempted to playthrough that possibility :P
lol, I always replay. I must have started Fallout 3 over like 10 times.
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So, any other opinions on my idea of the new prosecutor quitting in middle of a case because he/she's sick of oddball witnesses?
I don't think we'll ever see something like that ever happen, as it would be extremely unprofessional on the part of the prosecutor to do so. It would be a pain in the ass to get the replacement prosecutor briefed on the case and all the paperwork drawn up to make the replacement happen just because someone wanted to be a complete asshole. Game-play wise, it also cheats the player from having the honor of actually defeating a particular prosecutor in court. So no, I don't really think that idea will work.
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I had another idea for who the new prosecutor could be. I'm putting in spoilers because it involves Ace Attorney Investigations.
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No, that's lame. What Apollo needs is a prosecutor with a big ol' stick up their ass who fights him to the death instead of going to your side after a few scratches.
Klavier was lame as an opponent because he was Edgeworth at the end of 1-3 without the build-up that made Edgeworth siding with you so awesome. So instead of thinking, "holy crap, that guy is helping me out!" I was thinking, "ugh, shut up, idiot, I can do this without your help."
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SwordKing wrote:
I had another idea for who the new prosecutor could be. I'm putting in spoilers because it involves Ace Attorney Investigations.
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No, that's lame. What Apollo needs is a prosecutor with a big ol' stick up their ass who fights him to the death instead of going to your side after a few scratches.
Klavier was lame as an opponent because he was Edgeworth at the end of 1-3 without the build-up that made Edgeworth siding with you so awesome. So instead of thinking, "holy crap, that guy is helping me out!" I was thinking, "ugh, shut up, idiot, I can do this without your help."
You mean you want another Manfred?
Maybe with a different evil angle.
I think a prosecutor with Kristoph's high-class view on law and the courts might suffice.
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SwordKing wrote:
I had another idea for who the new prosecutor could be. I'm putting in spoilers because it involves Ace Attorney Investigations.
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No, that's lame. What Apollo needs is a prosecutor with a big ol' stick up their ass who fights him to the death instead of going to your side after a few scratches.
Klavier was lame as an opponent because he was Edgeworth at the end of 1-3 without the build-up that made Edgeworth siding with you so awesome. So instead of thinking, "holy crap, that guy is helping me out!" I was thinking, "ugh, shut up, idiot, I can do this without your help."
You mean you want another Manfred?
Maybe with a different evil angle.
I think a prosecutor with Kristoph's high-class view on law and the courts might suffice.
Not necessarily Manfred, a guy as determined as him doesn't work as a returning prosecutor, he's the kind of guy who has to burn out in one case.
I'm thinking someone more like 1-2 Edgeworth who fights dirty (this has the added bonus of not needing ridiculously convoluted cases to be challenging, or somebody like Franziska or Godot who don't forge evidence, but will strategically conceal vital points of the testimony and evidence (but in a way where they don't look bad if they're found out, like in 2-2) and will fight to the last day because they are powered by hate for you.
Apollo could use his own Manfred in the last case of GS5, though. GS4's last day was disappointing as hell because even though there was a tough final boss, you presented, like, two pieces of evidence and then Klavier did the rest for you like some kill-stealing asshole.
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