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Not that I agree with that position - Rockstar isn't exactly known for its family-friendly gaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if they made a legitimately AO-rated game.
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For the game to be rated AO it had to have been pretty out there, and if that's the case, any non-specialty store or console maker has the right NOT to release it. Sure there's freedom of expression, but there's also the right of Sony and Nintendo not to feature games they don't like. It's THEIR console.
I can just imagine a bunch of Rockstar programmers sitting in a room smoking pot, joking to each other about "I wonder how much crap we can get away with in this game!?" Well, now they know.
Conker's Bad Fur Day was rated AO, then its remake which is basically the same game only with the swears beebed out got an M rating, go figure :P
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BZZT, wrong.
Conker was rated M, both releases.
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Yes, the game is violent. Moreso than it should be. However, the ESRB gave Manhunt 1 a T rating. From what insiders are saying, the new game is more or less the same as that. Jack Thompson has been going on and on about how all video games are ultraviolent murder simulators. The only people who are affected by his rambling are Take Two, though. They made Grand Theft Auto, which is what people think of whenever they want to point fingers at a violent, degenerate game.
God of War? More violent and a Hell of a lot better than Manhunt can ever hope to be. Still has a T rating.
GTA San Andreas? Mediocre game, decent amount of violence. Stars minorities and had a bit that could have been raunchy had they decided to leave it in the game (which they didn't for fear of the ESRB). Got changed to an AO rating thanks to Mr Thompson.
Now, every time a stupid piece of legislation hits the bench, it gets shot down by a little thing called the First Amendment. The ESRB has proven that it can and will be bullied, despite being in the right. So they pick on Take Two games (to the great delight of said attorney).
And THAT is why I say this is Jack Thompson's fault.
Do I think the game is too violent? Yes. I thought the first was too violent, as well. But if it was enough for a T rating, then so should its sequel, which is a bland redo of the original.
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BZZT, wrong again.
Manhunt was rated M.
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I would have thought the Gamespot quote would have ended this. =3=
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I would have thought the Gamespot quote would have ended this. =3=
Boredom? Rockstar may be still considering releasing it by toning down content? Lack of anything better to do?
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I would have thought the Gamespot quote would have ended this. =3=
Boredom? Rockstar may be still considering releasing it by toning down content? Lack of anything better to do?
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It got changed to AO because of the sex mini-game, didn't it? Regardless of whether it required illegal hacking to get to it or what have you, the content was still available to anyone who bought the game. The ratings exist to let consumers (and their parents) know what they're paying for. And if you're paying for a sex mini-game the game deserves to be AO.
We still don't know what was in Manhunt 2 that pushed it to AO. We'll probably never know--that's the point. So blaming Thompson for a rating that may very well be legitimate is kind of silly.
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Well, the guys at Gamespot did a Hands-On article regarding it, so they very well may do a full review and be able to say what "it" was.
Personally, I think it was just a large, large, large excess of mature themes, which individually don't merit it, but when smooshed together do.
Something to that effect.
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Also, San Andreas was given an AO, then reissued as M after Rockstar took out the hot coffee mod. So it's not even an AO game anymore.
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What happened (as explained before) was that it was deleted so you could not access it, but it was still in the coding, so a hack/mod/patch could allow you access to that deleted material, kinda like how a debug mode allows you to sometimes see conversations or characters who were not in the final game.
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However, except for save Ebay, you can no longer buy the 'AO' rated San Andreas, so it may as well not even exist.
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I mean, if people don't want their kids playing it, guess what you do? You don't let them play it. If they buy the game with their own money, and you still don't want it going on, snap the disc in half and let them know it's something they're not allowed. Besides this, people who are unbalanced enough to let a GAME decide for them whether or not they want to kill little old ladies with watermelons or whatever should have somebody looking out for them and trying to keep them from stuff like this.
Likewise, I wouldn't want to play the game at all (I don't like pointless, OTT violence; in games or in movies or whatever)...so what I do? I don't buy it. It's that simple. xD;
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And other than for some heavily censored minigame, there's practically no difference between the two versions, as they're the exact same game.
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Manhunt was rated AO? Well, in other shocking news, the sun came up this morning and pie tastes great!
Although the second Jack Thompson goes after it, I'm going to start laughing. He went after the Sims 2, for heck's sake, because you could get rid of the pixels and make 'em Barbie/Ken dolls! Has he seen some of the downloadable mods out there? I've seen pictures (I don't download anything for games except patches) of formal clothes that aren't! That show details! And he went after the Sims for being able to get rid of the pixels!
But that's a completely different rant. I have to feel for Rockstar though.
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So how can this be his fault?
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I was pretty sure that the gaming issues regarding mature titles weren't all just lumped together. And Hatman is right, or at least, according to what I know he is.
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So how can this be his fault?
It's not, people just want to blame him for anything bad that happens to a video game.
I've already mentioned the same point at least twice in the thread, and it's been ignored each time. So, take that as you will.
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The AO theme was likely put in due to some themes in the game. Like the area where a sex bar is a cover for an underground torture facility, a la Hostel. It could also have something to do with the later stages of the game, as most journalists who have played it (N'Gai Croal, for instance) have not gotten further than about a third, and did not see much different.
It is likely that there are some elements that are arguably more violent than the previous game. For instance(from what I heard at least); at some point in the game, there is a door which can only be accessed by a certain person, whose face is scanned to open the door. So you kill the guy by electrocuting him, cut off his face with an axe, and use it to open the door. That's not all; it seems rather than just discard it, you can use the piece of flesh for a kill, ramming it down someone's throat.
Whether you think that sounds awesome or disgusting, it's likely that elements like this contributed to the AO rating, as I'm pretty sure something like that has not been done before.
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I was pretty sure that the gaming issues regarding mature titles weren't all just lumped together. And Hatman is right, or at least, according to what I know he is.
The few who still listen to him anymore are gaming news sites on a slow news day.
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It's about Manhunt 2.
Except idiots keep putting JT back in when he has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
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I did. It looked interesting with the Wii control scheme, and the plot, if executed well, could have been something.
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I wasn't aware about the game until this thread got started.
I am not very interested though, because I never played the first one.
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