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I prefer the Magatama.
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Scatterbrain wrote:
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I prefer the Magatama.
That is awesome.
I personally love the Magatama, and I think it's the best.
Think about it, I mean the bracelet isn't all that cool. Yes, you can detect scratching necks, page fiddling, eye moving.... But can't you do that with the human eye?
The logic was kinda cool, but it was too easy.
And plus, those Psyche-Locks look cool. A lot of times, after you break them, you find out some pretty shocking stuff. It made investigations a lot more fun, and it made the game more challenging.
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Scatterbrain wrote:
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I prefer the Magatama.
LOL...
I think I'd have to go with the bracelet, The pyshco locks were kind of annoying and Logic is just an everyday sort of thing. It's not as if magical jems and bracelets are everyday objects either (Sorry Edgeworth.)
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Bracelet: This may be less indispensable to court battles than magatamas are to investigations, but nonetheless it's an interesting way to make the court portions more varied. About Meenyman's comment: the human eye can detect tics (in fact, Zak himself states in GS4 that athletes are capable of super eyesight-focusing abilities), but it can't detect when someone's uttering a lie. The bracelet is able to detect lying, which then gives its wearer an indicator of when to use his or her super-eyesight abilities to note what the lie precisely is.
Logic: Ehh, right now it seems to be nothing more than a dialogue-sequence trigger that obscures how mundane the "examine everything in sight to trigger an event" routine can get. Could be more useful if the connected pieces of logic could then be presented to characters the same way that evidence and character profiles can.
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The bracelet is just combing over every clause in every statement of the testimony (or only the one that was just added
) without any skill, and just involved one easy present. Plus, having the truth mechanism in court, which didn't really need it, left the investigations a little bit bland, compared to JFA and T&T.Logic was interesting, but it was easy, and pretty key/keyhole at times. I did find Little Thief enjoyablike the Psyche Locks, though (since you had to point out a string of contradictions in the recreation)
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I wasn't really big on Logic, personally. It was a good mechanism, but I found it too easy to link the different ideas together.
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Scatterbrain wrote:
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I prefer the Magatama.
Win
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braclet: in my oppinion it's better than the magatma,as it's usage in the court gives apollo the abilaty to continue through testomonies that even phoenix wright can't break,by the use of the witness's nervous habit,it has a really great atmosphere as well.
logic: it started with things that can be concluded with anyone who has avrage intelligence,however as we went on it became more difficult,however the simple thing about it was that ALL you had to do was connect 2 connected info's and edgeworth will do the rest(which is for me,the hard part)i think you should instead be presented with a choice(choosing wrong=penalty) of the conclusion to their connection.
for example in GK case 1
Spoiler: gk case 1
btw,logic was still very enjoyable but the bracelet is still my favourite of the three.
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I feel neutral regarding the bracelet. Cross-examination on its own is fun with out it. I guess they used the perceive system since we already had the "scientific investigations", and they wanted to spread out where the new game elements would be used.
Logic...eh. It was all just given to you. It is easily the least fun of the 3 systems, at least in my opinion.
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Well, I do like the whole "spirit" thing associated with the magatama (and my favoritism may show through my actually owning and wearing a green one <3), so I absolutely ADORED the magatama when it was first introduced.
At the same time, I'm a total SUCKER for the bracelet, and I love it so god damn much. XD And as far as why I actually like the bracelet more...it isn't necessarily the mechanism--it's the story/method/EVERYTHING behind the mechanism. For the magatama it was, "here, give this to Pearl to charge it, and YAY truth-seeing device." For the bracelet, it was "well, it's a family heirloom, and it's the one thing that connects you to your family (but you don't know that yet), and it isn't actually the bracelet that does the work--it's all in your blood, so you just have to learn to use the bracelet/the Perceive properly."
That being said, I think the Perceive itself is more integral to the overall plot. Which is why I like it better. It also probably doesn't help that I'm a sucker for Apollo and love his backstory (which includes the bracelet, I suppose).
As for Logic, it just screams "EDGEWORTH!" because it's been explicitly stated that he isn't into all the supernatural stuff, and basically thinks it's fraud (we never get a re-do on that opinion after he uses the magatama himself, though...). It was an interesting way to visualize the connections between different pieces of information, but it really just did the function of a court phase, methinks, just in a more concrete way.
SO! Bracelet wins in my book. <3
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Cohdopia Over All wrote:
Bracelet: This may be less indispensable to court battles than magatamas are to investigations, but nonetheless it's an interesting way to make the court portions more varied. About Meenyman's comment: the human eye can detect tics (in fact, Zak himself states in GS4 that athletes are capable of super eyesight-focusing abilities), but it can't detect when someone's uttering a lie. The bracelet is able to detect lying, which then gives its wearer an indicator of when to use his or her super-eyesight abilities to note what the lie precisely is.
Actually, the purpose of the bracelet isn't to detect lies, per se, but to reaffirm to the wearer that the other person is bluffing or nervous. It's the person wearing the bracelet who notices tiny outbreaks, sending slight shivers throughout their body, which only the bracelet can detect. The "bracelet detects lying" theory is a myth; it doesn't tell you what the person is hiding or that they're hiding anything, only that they're uncertain because when they bluff they begin to twitch unconsciously. If they don't twitch, they're not bluffing and the bracelet doesn't react.
In summary, the bracelet just affirms whether the other person is or isn't sure of themselves, not necessarily that they're giving you incorrect facts. Although, I think both mechanisms (not counting Logic because everyone should have that, barring Larry
) are just okay in their own respects yet I lean slightly in favor of the bracelet because it's function isn't explained as "ZOMG SPIRIT ENERGY SO MYSTICAL".
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Logic was the funniest, because you could see clearly how small everyone's brain is.
The Magatama was awesome. Especcially in 4-4.
Magatama wins in my opinion.
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Also, it meant that you were figuring out things for yourself, instead of just following your characters train of thought.
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but slightly repetitive. The bracelet was fun to use but quite easy to figure out. Logic is my favourite because of the awesome music, Edgeworth's awesome silhouette, the awesome 'shwing!' thing (HA) and ...well, it's just that whenever we got to use Logic, I got stupidly excited. *shrug* Not sure why.
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The bracelet was silly to me, honestly. It felt like a gimmick.
Logic was silly to me, honestly. It just felt redundant, almost like a second evidence menu, but the fact that you only had 4 pieces in there at a time made finding the connections all the less mentally demanding.
I dunno though, I have to replay the whole series since it's been a while, and refresh my context on everything.
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Feen wrote:
The magatama was silly to me, honestly. Remember arguing with Larry outside of Gourd Lake? It'd make much more sense to the series if Phoenix went about his business like that, rather than him having a super power. It doesn't work in court anyway. Spirit channeling is crazy enough, but I'm willing to accept that. Phoenix is s'posed to be the normal Ace Attorney character >>.
The bracelet was silly to me, honestly. It felt like a gimmick.
Logic was silly to me, honestly. It just felt redundant, almost like a second evidence menu, but the fact that you only had 4 pieces in there at a time made finding the connections all the less mentally demanding.
I dunno though, I have to replay the whole series since it's been a while, and refresh my context on everything.
The bracelet was silly to me, honestly. It felt like a gimmick.
Logic was silly to me, honestly. It just felt redundant, almost like a second evidence menu, but the fact that you only had 4 pieces in there at a time made finding the connections all the less mentally demanding.
I dunno though, I have to replay the whole series since it's been a while, and refresh my context on everything.
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Phoenix_Justice wrote:
Feen wrote:
The magatama was silly to me, honestly. Remember arguing with Larry outside of Gourd Lake? It'd make much more sense to the series if Phoenix went about his business like that, rather than him having a super power. It doesn't work in court anyway. Spirit channeling is crazy enough, but I'm willing to accept that. Phoenix is s'posed to be the normal Ace Attorney character >>.
The bracelet was silly to me, honestly. It felt like a gimmick.
Logic was silly to me, honestly. It just felt redundant, almost like a second evidence menu, but the fact that you only had 4 pieces in there at a time made finding the connections all the less mentally demanding.
I dunno though, I have to replay the whole series since it's been a while, and refresh my context on everything.
The bracelet was silly to me, honestly. It felt like a gimmick.
Logic was silly to me, honestly. It just felt redundant, almost like a second evidence menu, but the fact that you only had 4 pieces in there at a time made finding the connections all the less mentally demanding.
I dunno though, I have to replay the whole series since it's been a while, and refresh my context on everything.
it's nice to see that there are ungratefull poeple
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) but I like the bracelet a lot so far. I still prefer the Magatama, although it can get kind of exasperating when you don't know if you have the right evidence or not. I don't know about logic though, I don't have AAI yet. Although...I did play part of the demo, and I didn't really like it that much. But still, I haven't played the game yet so I won't judge.
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The Magatama, on the other hand, was actually quite ingenious. The locks were not exactly necessary, but it gives a nice atmosphere to it. And it was always a surprise what you find out when you break them all. And it was actually somewhat challenging, unlike the other two.
But there is one that only a couple people have mentioned: Little Thief. It was handy, and it was fun to try to recreate the crime scene (the mechanism that was used for that in Apollo Justice was pathetic, underused, and useless), and updating it to find the truth. It was quite handy and fun.
So for me, it's a toss-up between the Magatama and Little Thief.
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The bracelet, unlike the Magatama, wasn't used that much. But spamming it might not be good either. Would be better if you can actually use it outside of the courts, like that time when talking to Machi in the detention centre. We know it works out of the courtroom, but we didn't get to use it because Apollo doesn't understand what his bracelet is trying to tell him. Maybe in future games. :D Also, the bracelet seems more believable than the Magatama. People really do twitch and stuff, and body language makes up most of our communication. What makes me really like the bracelet is the backstory behind it. Just knowing how it is a family heirloom and also the fact that Apollo has the "power" amazes me. Just finding twitches wasn't all smooth. But just like the Magatama, I get freaked out, especially at the end when the colours invert and stuff. lol I get scared easily. But if you were Apollo or Phoenix, seeing things that no one else does is kind of lonely and weird. Just you and your witness.
Logic? Putting 2 facts together (which are most of the time, easy to do) lead to Edgeworth to connect everything. It seems liks Edgeworth solves everything for you when you do Logic, but it is in 3rd person and he is smart, so he think things quickly. Logic fits Edgeworth, too.
Spoiler: Little Thief and AAI-3
So my favorite? Hard to choose. lol At least Logic isn't creepy. Haha. Magatama for gameplay, bracelet for backstory, logic for being Edgeworth and Little Thief for usefulness.
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Point: Bracelet wins.
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However if I had to go with one of the other two I would go with the magatama because you would be able to notice nervous little twitches that happen whenever you find a point to pursue during
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