I didnt suspect Rhea while playing, but while i was reading the last two pages of this topic, i noticed something. It was another Rhea post answered, however one thing wasnt answered:
My chewing habits are downright fascinating.
Considering those gums, and the fact that such plot twist can be really expected from this plot, its possible. And, just noticed while posting, but one of the gums are yellow, while the other is red. This might just be me and the trademark differences between countries, but i never ever saw a lemon-only gum and unless youre planning to involve somehow, i think the gum might contain something about that virus.

I have that same problem, but with a twist: I don't know how to use PyWright(yet), so I don't know where "set _show_back_button true" is surposed to go. Also, about the save, I saved when I first entered the detention center when Strings is stil talking to me, so no menus have come up yet. Is this back far enough or do I have to go through the risk of ruining my save by trying to edit it?

Sorry about the late reply, I wish I could answer these right away.

From what I understand, you won't need to edit the save from where you are, since you haven't opened the script in which you're about to put "set _show_back_button true" yet.

Put it in the script called "scene56Strings.talk", between "bg aj/detentioncenter" and "list scene56Stringstalk", load the save, and hopefully you should be fine ;)

I need more details on what you mean by "it's not working".
Did you change the script "scene56Strings.talk" in /Turnabout Substitution + load the save, but still couldn't return to the menu when talking to Strings?

Because doing exactly what I said in my previous post works fine for me.

(Though technically, isn't it supposed to be "set _list_back_button true"? It's what it says in the PyWright doc... I'd need some people to confirm this.)

Oh, and if the problem comes from the "loading" part, you can always do what the "ALREADYPLAYEDTHESECONDDEMO" file in ts_demo3 says + put "set _debug on" in the second line of scene53.
That way you will start directly from the second day of investigation, and will be able to fast forward the dialogue, which will get you to scene56 in a minute or two maximum.

In scene56Strings.talk, the first lines should be:



The rest should be kept the same.

I tried it and it still didn't work. Also, I did some poking around, and it turns out it isn't just with Strings. The back button doesn't show up at anything with text-box-choices, like the move function or talking to Rhea in her office. And no, I didn't touch anything else. What's going on?!

What's going on is that at one point, a variable was set which prevented the player from seeing the back button on lists. The coder simply forgot to set another variable to allow the player to see it again, and I made a serious mistake by failing to notice it before releasing the demo.

What I told you to do before should work, unless your save isn't when you say it is, or you've forgotten to save the file you've modified before starting the game ;(
The one thing I'm certain of is that everyone who's had this problem and applied this solution managed to complete the game. I myself can confirm that it works, using the megaupload version which has the problem (contrary to the pywright version).

But evidently, there is something specifically wrong in your case that I don't understand. I can think of two ways to help you with this.

* Option 1: First, try (after having modified scene56Strings.talk) to:
- replace


with


in the "intro" file

- add a line "set _debug on" in scene53 between "#-version-1" and "set _cr_button true" which'll help

- start a new game instead of loading your save. You'll start at the first scene of investigation day 2, but be able to skip through the dialogue, which'll get you to the scene with Strings very quickly. Normally, since you've changed the file, you should be able to see the back button this time.

* Option 2: Delete the whole game, and download it again using this url: http://pywright.dawnsoft.org/updates3/g ... _demo3.zip instead of the megaupload one. Then, do exactly the same thing as in option 1.

If this still doesn't work, then this is a job for saluk.

I'v examened every inch of Judge's crimescene, and I still can't go any further. I've asked Ema about the steeringwheel, but Apollo than said to go back to the crimescene. Is there something I'm missing here or is this game broken again?

There's something at the crime scene you still need to examine. It's a small and hard to find, but it's there. (Hint: It's on the right side of the screen, near the actual place where the crime took place)

Since many people have been stuck at this scene, the background will be modified in the final version to make the hump in the snow more clearly visible.

1. Music doesn't loop
2. BUG: On day 2, in String's office, using examine after talking to Ema and clicking Back causes the game to return to the Title screen.
3. Intro to fast; one moment you're drunk, the next moment you're talking to Judge in the detention centre, the next you have a new partner. It doesn't make sence. Also, Judge askes Apollo to represent him to quicly. He's a judge! He must know more exprienced lawyers! There's no clear reason for him to want to hire Apollo!
4. Judge's character not well captured. In the official games, he's a bit of an airhead, but when you meet him in the detention centre, he tels you about the crime like he's reading a casefile.
5. Investigating day 1: Apollo responds to litle. A lot of development hapenes around him, but he just lets it role over him. He should be more stuned.
6. Glitch: After Rhea has left after Ellemeyer's case, she still apears when examening the police officer playing video games, or the blue badger.
7. BUG: Clicking Check in Examine mode makes Apollo say one textbox worth of text and than: "No Clues here"

On a personal note: I don't realy know if it's wise to let Apollo know about his family. This is surposed to be his "Rise From the Ashes", and that case fitted in between the old cases fine. Since you don't know if he'll know in the next game, it's a bit of a risk to have him know it. If he doesn't know in the next game, it'll look like a mess. It doesn't seem essencial to the story anyway. (and for the same reason, it's a bad Idea to kill Judge. You could replace him with another Judge, and there wouldn't be a problem.)
But of course, this is your game, you're allowed to do with it what you want.

1. I've already taken care of that ;-) Frenchy just hasn't implemented it yet :P
2. That's a new one o.O
3/5: Frenchy did that, so I'll let Frenchy respond :P
4: Same for 3/5, but I will say that he might be a bit more serious when he's under arrest for murder and/or dealing with the serial killer that killed his brother.
6/7: We're already aware of those; they just haven't been fixed yet.



And about letting Polly know... It's a fangame xD It doesn't actually need to fit with GS5 :P

1. Music doesn't loop
> We have the looped tracks. It'll be looped in the final version.

2. BUG: On day 2, in String's office, using examine after talking to Ema and clicking Back causes the game to return to the Title screen.
> Thanks, will be fixed.

3. Intro to fast; one moment you're drunk, the next moment you're talking to Judge in the detention centre, the next you have a new partner. It doesn't make sence. Also, Judge askes Apollo to represent him to quicly. He's a judge! He must know more exprienced lawyers! There's no clear reason for him to want to hire Apollo!
> I can understand why you would think that (all these things you're pointing out I already know, and are the result of a deliberate choice), but I must disagree. It's not "one moment - the other" : several hours have passed between each of these scenes (maybe I should stress that fact a bit more in the dialogue)! If you take 2-4, for instance, far more dramatic shifts occur in much less time.
As for why Judge would want to hire Apollo... it's only keeping in with the series' tradition: Will Powers, Lana Skye... none in real life would have chosen a rookie like Phoenix Wright, because even if they wanted to be found guilty, society expects them to be represented by the best and most expensive lawyers there are. I've analyzed the inner workings of AA enough to know lots of things happen simply because the plot requires it. Well, same here: obviously, if someone else than Apollo represented Judge, there wouldn't be a case ^^
Therefore, don't expect this part to change, sorry.

4. Judge's character not well captured. In the official games, he's a bit of an airhead, but when you meet him in the detention centre, he tels you about the crime like he's reading a casefile.
> Well he is also a bit of an airhead in the game. In fact, it even drives the plot. Plus, when he tells about crimes during trials in the real games, he precisely does it like he's reading a casefile. Again, I have carefully examined how each character speaks in the real games, using exact quotes, and tried to emulate it the best that I could given the fact that I'm not a native speaker. But maybe I should emphasize the airhead part, you're right about that.
One thing though, is that I do think this Judge is more consistent with an extrapolation of what the Judge must be like out of court from someone who hasn't played AAI. This is only normal: AAI, quite simply, didn't exist at the time I wrote this. My only material was his in-court appearances.
Incidentally, I personally think the Judge's goofiness was flanderized a lot throughout the series. The judge in PW:AA seems much more competent than the one in AJ.

5. Investigating day 1: Apollo responds to litle. A lot of development hapenes around him, but he just lets it role over him. He should be more stuned.
> Well, not that much compared to what happens afterwards. I'll try to add more of that, but all while preserving the general economy behind the case: day 1 seems to be a normal case, while day 2, even though it is actually entirely explained by day 1, appears crazy.
Still, I can't help but notice one thing: all of your comments involve day 1. This is easy to explain : day 1 was written two years ago. I believe I have made a lot of progress as a writer since then + I didn't write the actual sentences in trial day 1 and investigation day 2, only a very detailed script. I left the phrasing to BP and Yggdrasil. Thus, it might be wise to go back a bit on day 1 so it is on par with the rest when releasing the final game, so thanks for reminding me about that :) I'll try to keep it all in mind.

6. Glitch: After Rhea has left after Ellemeyer's case, she still apears when examening the police officer playing video games, or the blue badger.
> Will be fixed.

7. BUG: Clicking Check in Examine mode makes Apollo say one textbox worth of text and than: "No Clues here"
> I think it's a PyWright issue.

On a personal note: I don't realy know if it's wise to let Apollo know about his family. This is surposed to be his "Rise From the Ashes", and that case fitted in between the old cases fine. Since you don't know if he'll know in the next game, it's a bit of a risk to have him know it. If he doesn't know in the next game, it'll look like a mess. It doesn't seem essencial to the story anyway. (and for the same reason, it's a bad Idea to kill Judge. You could replace him with another Judge, and there wouldn't be a problem.)
> Here, I must disagree quite strongly.
1/ The game is not canon. I have never pretended, and will never pretend, that it is. Thus, the next game won't make it look like a mess at all ; AJ case 5 will simply remain the alternate fan universe it has always been...
2/ It is generally agreed upon that Rises From The Ashes doesn't fit at all within the main timeline. I personally don't mind in the least bit - Rise From The Ashes is one my favourite cases of all time, and one of the greatest gaming experiences I have ever had :) But really, the fact that it breaks canon is hard to ignore. It completely rewrites Edgeworth's history in a way that is not at all consistent with Edgeworth's development in the first three cases / in JFA.
3/ Having Apollo know is a / logical considering what's happened in Turnabout Succession b / a way to set up the fact that Phoenix + Trucy + Thalassa are going together on holiday, which in turn, is a way to set up the fact that Apollo is on his own.
3/ Without spoiling the rest of the game, killing Judge is absolutely essential to the story. In fact, the plot wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if this specific character didn't die. So no, you can't just replace him with some random guy, it's the one thing you cannot do.

I can understand that you can't replace him with just any guy, but does it realy have to be THIS judge? From my perspective, you could replace him with another judge, and nothing would change.
Than again, I don't know what's going to happen in the next courtroom part, so maybe that's why.