Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:11 am

FerdieLance

Fancase Maker

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:47 pm

Posts: 274

Journal of Occupational Mortality, vol. 10(5):132-135

W. Stickler, E. Skye, L. Basil

Abstract: In order to determine which professions are most hazardous, we sampled as many individuals as possible from several lines of work, and counted how many of them were convicted or murdered. Predictably, defense proved extremely hazardous. However, the safety records of certain other professions proved quite surprising. Medicine is extremely dangerous, whereas Mafia/Yakuza organized crime has proven relatively safe.

(SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ALL GAMES; AAI SPOILERS ARE SPOILER-TAGGED; percentages do not include AAI data points.)

Results:

Law Enforcement/Legal:

Defense Attorney:

Gregory Edgeworth: Murdered.
Robert Hammond: Murdered.
Mia Fey: Murdered.
Diego Armando: It's Complicated.
Phoenix Wright: Disbarred.
Kristoph Gavin: Convicted.
Marvin Grossberg: Blackmailed, but survived.
Apollo Justice: Survived.

Spoiler: AAI

Percent convicted/disbarred/murdered: 6/8 = 75%

Prosecutor:

Miles Edgeworth: Survived.
Franziska von Karma: Survived.
Manfred von Karma: Convicted.
Godot: Convicted/Deceased/Other.
Winston Payne: Survived.
Klavier Gavin: Survived.
Neil Marshall: Murdered.
Lana Skye: Convicted of evidence tampering, but not murder.

Percent convicted/murdered: 4/8 = 50%

Spoiler: AAI

Judge:

Judge: Alive.
Judge's brother: Alive.

Percent convicted/murdered: 0/2 = 0%!

Interpol Agent:

Romein LeTouse: Murdered.

Percent convicted/murdered: 1/1 = 100%

Spoiler: AAI

Other Police Personnel/Detectives:

Mike Meekins: Survived, fired.
Dick Gumshoe: Survived, no longer detective.
Ema Skye: Survived.
Jake Marshall: Fired for evidence tampering.
Angel Starr: Fired, became lunchlady.
Bruce Goodman: Murdered.
Damon Gant: Convicted.
Dustin Prince: Murdered.
Valerie Hawthorne: Murdered
Daryan Crescend: Convicted.

Murder/Conviction rate: 5/10 = 50% - higher if we include fired personnel. 6/11 if Luke Atmey counts.

Spoiler: AAI

Other professions:

Medicine (doctor/nurse):

Mimi Miney: It's Complicated.
Hotti/Hickfield: Alive, hoh-hoh-hoh. Does he count, though?
Guy Eldoon: Alive but no longer practicing.
Pal Meraktis: Murdered.
Turner Grey: Murdered.
Alita Tiala: Convicted.

Murder/Conviction Rate: 4/6 = 66%.

Spirit Medium:

Ami Fey: Deceased, soul trapped in jar which was then broken over and over.
Maya Fey: Alive, in perpetual peril.
Mia Fey: Murdered.
Misty Fey: Murdered.
Pearl Fey: Invincible.

Murder/Conviction Rate: 2/5 = 40%, but see notes.

Magician:

Max Galactica: Survived.
Zak Gramarye: Murdered.
Thalassa Gramarye: It's Complicated.
Valant Gramarye: Survived.
Trucy Wright: Survived.
Magnifi Gramarye: Death by natural causes (i.e., survived.)

Murder/Conviction Rate: 1.5/6 = 25% <-- GOOD JOB TO HAVE.

Mafioso/Mafiosa:

Bruto Cadaverini: Survived.
Viola Cadaverini: Survived.
Wocky Kitaki: Suvived.
Big Wins Kitaki: Survived.
Little Plum Kitaki: Survived.

Murder/Conviction Rate: 0/5 = 0% <- EVEN BETTER JOB TO HAVE.

If Dee Vasquez (with her Mafia ties) is counted, along with Loan Shark Furio Tigre, this looks less impressive. If Vasquez's faceless Mafia goons are counted (and assumed not to have been caught), it still looks very solid.

Recommendation: If you find yourself in the world of Ace Attorney, do not go into medicine. Do not become a defense attorney. Join the Mafia, or become a judge. Other good career choices include costumed mascot and food vendor.

Comments? Questions? Methodological nitpicks?

Turnabout Bakeshop (fancase, complete!)

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:21 am

shadowofedgeworth

Real men are gray-haired in their 20s.

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:03 am

Posts: 566

I love this! :gant-clap2:

This is not a methodological nitpick, but I don't think we can say for certain that Gumshoe is no longer a detective. Yes, he was nowhere to be seen in GS4, but that's not decisive proof of anything. (I know he's probably not dead either way, so the numbers don't change, but still...)

Putting it altogether, it really is amazing that Apollo is, to date, the ONLY defense attorney who hasn't been murdered/convicted/disbarred (apart from Grossburg). I know that's because he's the new protagonist, but seriously, NO ONE ELSE (not even among the peripheral characters) was spared! Makes you wonder what'll happen to Apollo when they're through with HIM... :hoboleft:

Totally not my sig...

Last edited by shadowofedgeworth on Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:43 am

Addikt

(ace attorney gremlin mode activated)

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:29 am

Posts: 2566

Glad to see that my intended profession is safe. Or it doesn't exist. :)

Exactly how bored were you when you did this? (I kid, I kid).

My (not spoiler-free) Ace Attorney doodle blog

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:07 am

hoshihoshi

あふれるその涙を

Gender: Female

Location: Australia

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:20 am

Posts: 303

Oh whoaaa *_* This is amazing, I don't even! How much time did you spend compiling it? D: Not to mention verrry interesting. I am moooste impressed! :grossburg:

And I especially love how the AA stats are surprisingly reflective of the study results. Fascinating! XD

Ah man I already knew my profession is one of the um, deadliest - being a doctor. I have so many suicidal friends, and I've attempted a couple times myself. I'm probably gonna overdose on valium or insulin my brain to death before I'm 30, but I think I prefer morphine if I can get enough of it. That is if I don't get killed by an angry patient/colleague/family member by then. WOE. Still, it's better than being a dentist. Imagine cleaning bad teeth all day, for the rest of your life. Ah, always look on the bright side 8D;;;;;;

Just gonna stand there and watch me burn?
But that's alright because I like the way it hurts

RIP Tobi Wong

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:56 am

Alice

Gender: Female

Location: Canada

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:59 pm

Posts: 158

This is epic. I love reading this. Thanks for your hard work. You have put a smile on my face. Hopefully, I won't find myself in the Ace Attorney world. If I do, I rather be the judge. Seem safe and you get to see trials.

shadowofedgeworth wrote:

Putting it altogether, it really is amazing that Apollo is, to date, the ONLY defense attorney who hasn't been murdered/convicted/disbarred. I know that's because he's the new protagonist, but seriously, NO ONE ELSE (not even among the peripheral characters) was spared! Makes you wonder what'll happen to Apollo when they're through with HIM... :hoboleft:

D:

I'm surprise that magician is a good job to have... It seems dangerous after completing AJ. Magician is like the new spirit channeling. Dangerous. I guess not seeing the statistics.

Proud shipper of FeeniexIris, ApolloxEma.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:14 pm

Hagridandfang

Gender: Male

Location: Ireland

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:52 pm

Posts: 59

FerdieLance wrote:

If you find yourself in the world of Ace Attorney ... Do not become a defense attorney

Kinda takes the ace out of Ace Attorney, don't it! XD

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:32 pm

Icarus

Mipeltaja = the real badass

Gender: Male

Location: That one place. No, not that place, the other place.

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:14 am

Posts: 462

FerdieLance wrote:

Prosecutor:

Miles Edgeworth: Survived.
Franziska von Karma: Survived.
Manfred von Karma: Convicted.
Godot: Convicted/Deceased/Other.
Winston Payne: Survived.
Klavier Gavin: Survived.
Neil Marshall: Murdered.
Lana Skye: Convicted of evidence tampering, but not murder.

Percent convicted/murdered: 4/8 = 50%

Spoiler: AAI

Billie Jean is not my lover.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:50 pm

Midnight Jasper

Gender: Female

Location: The Land of Layton

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:58 pm

Posts: 846

This is pretty cool. Although, if you're counting 'fired', you should definitely count 'injured'. Franzy was shot in the shoulder, after all,

Spoiler: AAI

Even though the injures don't seem to have had any lasting effects whatsoever... :yogi:

The only two waitresses in the series - Maggey and Olga, if you don't count Maya - aren't exactly lucky either, are they? Or those who go to Ivy University (Phoenix, Dahlia/Iris, Doug Swallow, Wesley).

Maybe this study could be extended to determine casualty rates by nationality, or more...

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:57 pm

Cyrus Vorazan

Gender: Male

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:36 pm

Posts: 571

Programmer:
Glen Elg - killed
1/1 - 100%

That's it, I'm not gonna be programming ever O_o

Anyway, I fell kinda sorry for my far relatives now. Just see for yourself:
Cousin - prosecutor, other cousin - studying law, aunt - detective, uncle - attorney, cousin's husband - prosecutor, his father - high prosecutor, his mother - judge, his sister - prosecutor, his brother - detective.

Oh my, oh my...

Sig by PandaPrinzessin

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:07 pm

Phoenix_Justice

justice is always wright ;)

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:53 pm

Posts: 290

woah,that's amazing :gant-clap:

I guess I'll take the role of the judges,or still the defense attorney if i feel like taking risks :hobolaugh:

the ultimate epicness
my sprite comic of wright and apollo

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:12 pm

Addikt

(ace attorney gremlin mode activated)

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:29 am

Posts: 2566

K_V_N wrote:

Programmer:
Glen Elg - killed
1/1 - 100%

Oh... shit. Forgot about him @___@;

But I'm going into Computer Science so I can rule over programmers/do software design/engineering rather than be programmer. So I think I'll still be fine.

And all my relatives are nurses (uh-oh) and teachers. So they're relativly safe :|

My (not spoiler-free) Ace Attorney doodle blog

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:16 am

NinjaMonkey

Surf's Up!

Gender: Male

Location: The gloomiest place on earth (i.e. the UK)

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm

Posts: 2257

FerdieLance wrote:

Dick Gumshoe: Survived, no longer detective.

Just because he's not in AJ (in the present timeframe) doesn't mean he's no longer a detective.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:30 am

Phoenix_Justice

justice is always wright ;)

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:53 pm

Posts: 290

Here's one for Tv show superstars

Jack Hammer: accidentally killed

Will Powers: survived

Juan Corrida: professionally murdered

Matt Engarde: Convicted/death sentence/other

75%,I guess the only one who survived is the only pure hearted one of the group.

Spoiler: AAI

And proffesional Thiefs

ron delight: survived

detective atmey: convicted/death sentence/other

50% seem's like an equal chance

Spoiler: AAI

the ultimate epicness
my sprite comic of wright and apollo

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:09 am

Midnight Jasper

Gender: Female

Location: The Land of Layton

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:58 pm

Posts: 846

K_V_N wrote:

Programmer:
Glen Elg - killed
1/1 - 100%

That's it, I'm not gonna be programming ever O_o

Lisa Basil, Adam Mada? There are at least two other random programmers in the Blue Screens Inc. Background, anyways.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:44 am

Cyrus Vorazan

Gender: Male

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:36 pm

Posts: 571

^ I don't remember about Adam, but I believe Lisa wasn't in programming directly. She was, like, head of blue screens corp?

Sig by PandaPrinzessin

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:22 pm

NinjaMonkey

Surf's Up!

Gender: Male

Location: The gloomiest place on earth (i.e. the UK)

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm

Posts: 2257

Phoenix_Justice wrote:

Spoiler: AAI

Spoiler:

Last edited by NinjaMonkey on Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:34 pm

Coffee Prosecutor

The Twisted Samurai

Gender: Male

Location: Wherever I may roam.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 pm

Posts: 4848

you forgot a few

Movie People:
Sal Manella:Convinced
Dee Vaquesz:Convinced
Penny Nickles:Survived
Adrian Andrews:Survived
Celeste Inpax:Suicide
Pupil/Children:
Cody Hackins:Survived

Salesman:
Frank Sawhit:Survived

Models:
Cindy Stone:Survived

Office People:
April May:Convinced
Redd White:Convinced

"The hammer that strikes too fast has no time to aim."

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:43 pm

Phoenix_Justice

justice is always wright ;)

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:53 pm

Posts: 290

Coffee Prosecutor wrote:

you forgot a few

Movie People:
Sal Manella:Convinced
Dee Vaquesz:Convinced
Penny Nickles:Survived
Adrian Andrews:Survived
Celeste Inpax:Suicide
Pupil/Children:
Cody Hackins:Survived

Salesman:
Frank Sawhit:Survived

Models:
Cindy Stone:Survived

Office People:
April May:Convinced
Redd White:Convinced

I can't beleave you forgot the details about the very very first and easiest case,but then again,i guess lack of memory is more than an excusable couse.

*ahem*

"Cindy Stone was the victem and Frank sawhit was convicted for that crime."

the ultimate epicness
my sprite comic of wright and apollo

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:20 am

Icarus

Mipeltaja = the real badass

Gender: Male

Location: That one place. No, not that place, the other place.

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:14 am

Posts: 462

Phoenix_Justice wrote:

Coffee Prosecutor wrote:

you forgot a few

Movie People:
Sal Manella:Convinced
Dee Vaquesz:Convinced
Penny Nickles:Survived
Adrian Andrews:Survived
Celeste Inpax:Suicide

Pupil/Children:
Cody Hackins:Survived

Salesman:
Frank Sawhit:Survived

Models:
Cindy Stone:Survived

Office People:
April May:Convinced
Redd White:Convinced

I can't beleave you forgot the details about the very very first and easiest case,but then again,i guess lack of memory is more than an excusable couse.

*ahem*

"Cindy Stone was the victem and Frank sawhit was convicted for that crime."

Also, he wasn't really a salesman, that was just his cover story. He was a petty thief.

College Students:
Richard Wellington: Convicted of Murder before he found the right college
Ini Miney: Died in car crash
Mimi Miney: Attended college as her younger sister, convicted of murder
Doug Swallow: Murdered
Phoenix "Feenie" Wright: Survived, became Defense Lawyer
Dahlia Hawthorne: Convicted of Murder, Received Death Penalty
Wesley Stickler: Convicted of Panty-Snatching

Sucks to be in college.

Billie Jean is not my lover.

Re: Fatality/Conviction Rates By Profession (SPOILERS)

Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:01 pm

Coffee Prosecutor

The Twisted Samurai

Gender: Male

Location: Wherever I may roam.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 pm

Posts: 4848

Icarus wrote:

Phoenix_Justice wrote:

Coffee Prosecutor wrote:

you forgot a few

Movie People:
Sal Manella:Convinced
Dee Vaquesz:Convinced
Penny Nickles:Survived
Adrian Andrews:Survived
Celeste Inpax:Suicide

Pupil/Children:
Cody Hackins:Survived

Salesman:
Frank Sawhit:Survived

Models:
Cindy Stone:Survived

Office People:
April May:Convinced
Redd White:Convinced

I can't beleave you forgot the details about the very very first and easiest case,but then again,i guess lack of memory is more than an excusable couse.

*ahem*

"Cindy Stone was the victem and Frank sawhit was convicted for that crime."

Also, he wasn't really a salesman, that was just his cover story. He was a petty thief.

College Students:
Richard Wellington: Convicted of Murder before he found the right college
Ini Miney: Died in car crash
Mimi Miney: Attended college as her younger sister, convicted of murder
Doug Swallow: Murdered
Phoenix "Feenie" Wright: Survived, became Defense Lawyer
Dahlia Hawthorne: Convicted of Murder, Received Death Penalty
Wesley Stickler: Convicted of Panty-Snatching

Sucks to be in college.

Ah
It was late yesterday
and I was under time pressure

"The hammer that strikes too fast has no time to aim."