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Hmm... Well given that I'm a bit like John myself, I might be a bit biased, but A) This comic isn't really objective since you don't get to hear John's justification. You have to take Sarah's word for it, when in fact what she's saying might not be true at all.
B) I don't imagine it's really fair to assume that Sarah's feelings are true for every girl out there, and
C) Sarah seems a bit bitter at John for some reason (which I don't understand because in the first couple of panels they seem to be friendly but she acts incredibly mean in the final one), so what she's saying might be an exaggeration of what she really feels.

Of course, it's a bit silly to try and dissect the personality of a fictional character, unless the characters in here are portraying a scene which actually occurred in real life.
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Sarah's point is:

John will never be able to satisfy her romantically, due to the type of person he is.

Isn't this clear?

John needs to man up and move out of his parents' basement, or at least tell Sarah to go fuck herself. And then he needs to find a woman who can appreciate his introverted ways, instead of wasting his days pining away for someone who will always ignore him in favor of someone more exciting by her standards.
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Well, most of that is stuff I'd heard before, but that last bit is so embarassingly anti-intellectual I want to punch the bitch in the face.

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So John isn't Sarah's type. That's been made sort of clear. She doesn't really have a point, because girls like different things. Whilst she seems to loathe his introverted nature, other girls would prefer a guy like him.
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Yes, she does.

She could have been less harsh though lmao.
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Nope she's an idiotic devil woman and he's just an idiot.
Shouldn't have made that statement especially when he knew she was going out with someone.

She's just going to go and be mistreated and is too disillusioned with romance.
Hence the string of bad relationships she's drawn to bad men for a short thing.

In studies people actually prefer folks like John for the long run but devil woman can go burn in her HIV infested bed.

Hopefully poor John will be less stupid in future and stop being so freaky and obsessive.
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Well, as a woman, I wouldn't want a guy like John as that kind of partner, but as for Sarah, I wouldn't even accept someone like her as a loose friend, and if I knew any guy willingly and knowingly choosing that kind of selfish *bleep* as his girlfriend, I'd lose any respect for him. *shakes head*
Then again, to each his own, I guess.
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She started off seeming to have a point, then she degraded into a whiny bitch. And an angry whiny one too, making her look like the real pathetic one here.
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She doesn't want a needy boyfriend, that hardly makes her a devil woman XD

She was way too harsh but at least now he'll let her go and find someone who likes clingy boyfriends and isn't quite as much of a bitch. She'll keep dating the wrong guys until she's in her 30's when she realises she wants a nice bloke then she'll meet someone and get married.

Not all females want a boyfriend who obsesses about them.

EDIT: btw, even though it doesn't sound like it, I'm way more of a John than a Sarah.
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C) Sarah seems a bit bitter at John for some reason (which I don't understand because in the first couple of panels they seem to be friendly but she acts incredibly mean in the final one)

Sarah simply got angry when John showed his true colours.

I both agree and disagree with her. Either way, asking someone out when they just said that they have a partner who they are happy with is not a good idea.
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She doesn't want a needy boyfriend, that hardly makes her a devil woman XD

She was way too harsh but at least now he'll let her go and find someone who likes clingy boyfriends and isn't quite as much of a bitch. She'll keep dating the wrong guys until she's in her 30's when she realises she wants a nice bloke then she'll meet someone and get married.

Not all females want a boyfriend who obsesses about them.


I wonder if rape fantasies count as obsession.
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She'll find someone else to cry on, nice guys are strangely not that hard to find XD


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I wonder if rape fantasies count as obsession.


For normal people, yes. For you, it's normal.
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Here's another one, there's a really good edit out there but it's insanely hard to find.
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This is one of the most depressing things I've ever read. ;___;

I mean, if I were lucky enough to actually have a girlfriend, I'd do anything for her, I'd be that nice guy who wouldn't want to do anything to get her mad. I'd be an incredibly boring, if not annoyingly sweet husband. Like John, I too am incredibly introverted and underwhelming in every way. She makes a good point despite her cruel delivery that he needs to man up and move on. Yet I bet John, like myself, would probably never change his ways no matter what. He'll probably not take her advice but instead go about obsessing over her in every way possible, regretting confessing his love for her and holding a large pillow pretending it's her.

I have several friends who are girls and sometimes they talk to me about relationship problems, I'm not really interested in any of them romantically though. I'm usually just there to console them because they know I won't judge them too harshly.
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This depressed me.

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This cheered me up.
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This depressed me.

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This cheered me up.

This stole my words.
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This depressed me.

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This cheered me up.

This stole my words.

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Umm, I guess that John is a selfish, cowardly prick and she's not looking for a guy like him. I don't think it's fair for her to say that every girl is looking for a guy like she's searching for. I for one don't want a douchebag.
I guess she thinks he's totally fake, and I believe that a lot of people are fake. So she's stating her mind and the reality that she perceives in men.
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Yaragorm wrote:
This is one of the most depressing things I've ever read. ;___;

I mean, if I were lucky enough to actually have a girlfriend, I'd do anything for her, I'd be that nice guy who wouldn't want to do anything to get her mad. I'd be an incredibly boring, if not annoyingly sweet husband. Like John, I too am incredibly introverted and underwhelming in every way. She makes a good point despite her cruel delivery that he needs to man up and move on.

Same here.
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Cardiovore wrote:
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This is one of the most depressing things I've ever read. ;___;

I mean, if I were lucky enough to actually have a girlfriend, I'd do anything for her, I'd be that nice guy who wouldn't want to do anything to get her mad. I'd be an incredibly boring, if not annoyingly sweet husband. Like John, I too am incredibly introverted and underwhelming in every way. She makes a good point despite her cruel delivery that he needs to man up and move on.

Same here.


You guys shouldn't feel so bad, just because she says it don't mean she's right no reason that a 'John' would make for a boring husband or be 'annoyingly' sweet.

Besides if she wants to follow the old Darwinian style of 'sex = procreation therefore I am better because I want more sex' then she acknowledges that the Jeremy Kyle regulars are fittingly fine examples of the human race.
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Thank you for this.


Wow...now I really really really wanna slap her...
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I could get off my ass and analyze this beautifully and critically, but, as every one of my English teachers has said since third grade, "Andrew has great potential, it just seems he doesn't want to show it."
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Aww... This strip made me sad. It's true that John needs to move on, but the way she said it is just rude. People like her are the reason why teenage pregnancy is going on!

I myself prefer a John over a Jason (I've actually met a Jason who was a douchebag, and had a friend named John who is a very sweet guy.) I'm pretty self conscious about my body and really the only compliments I ever get is about my hair (which I will be cutting off next week) so I would love to be told that I'm pretty. :)
I would also prefer a somewhat boring guy because I'm somewhat boring myself. I would be fine with just sitting at home playing co-op on a game that I'll be having a really tough time playing through.

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The sequel: twenty years later, Sarah is a single mother who has yet to find someone who stays with her for more than a few months. She then sees John, who has gotten his act together and grown rather handsome. Sarah falls for him and is about to ask him on a date when she notices the wedding ring on his finger. She ignores it and tries to play off of his earlier feelings for her--and is shot down; John gives her a lecture that is different from, yet eerily similar to, the lecture she gave him twenty years ago.

Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.
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The sequel: twenty years later, Sarah is a single mother who has yet to find someone who stays with her for more than a few months. She then sees John, who has gotten his act together and grown rather handsome. Sarah falls for him and is about to ask him on a date when she notices the wedding ring on his finger. She ignores it and tries to play off of his earlier feelings for her--and is shot down; John gives her a lecture that is different from, yet eerily similar to, the lecture she gave him twenty years ago.

Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.

Amen.
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Sarah seems like a total bitch anyway, John deserves better. She seems like the type to go for someone equally shallow and mean, really.
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General Luigi wrote:
Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.

Hm, never thought of it that way. That's a good point.
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General Luigi wrote:
The sequel: twenty years later, Sarah is a single mother who has yet to find someone who stays with her for more than a few months. She then sees John, who has gotten his act together and grown rather handsome. Sarah falls for him and is about to ask him on a date when she notices the wedding ring on his finger. She ignores it and tries to play off of his earlier feelings for her--and is shot down; John gives her a lecture that is different from, yet eerily similar to, the lecture she gave him twenty years ago.

Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.


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General Luigi wrote:
The sequel: twenty years later, Sarah is a single mother who has yet to find someone who stays with her for more than a few months. She then sees John, who has gotten his act together and grown rather handsome. Sarah falls for him and is about to ask him on a date when she notices the wedding ring on his finger. She ignores it and tries to play off of his earlier feelings for her--and is shot down; John gives her a lecture that is different from, yet eerily similar to, the lecture she gave him twenty years ago.

Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.


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General Luigi wrote:
The sequel: twenty years later, Sarah is a single mother who has yet to find someone who stays with her for more than a few months. She then sees John, who has gotten his act together and grown rather handsome. Sarah falls for him and is about to ask him on a date when she notices the wedding ring on his finger. She ignores it and tries to play off of his earlier feelings for her--and is shot down; John gives her a lecture that is different from, yet eerily similar to, the lecture she gave him twenty years ago.

Sarah has a point in the short run, but in the long run, she will be dead wrong. Jerks don't make good husbands--let alone fathers, and I imagine Sarah will learn that the hard way.

Amen.


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Good point. As a dude, I find it surprising that I have as many friends who are girls as I do. Now obviously, I'm not some protagonist from a harem manga, so I don't like all of them romantically, and I don't expect the same. But that being said it's still rather difficult to be assured that you aren't going to make a complete moron out of yourself or screw over a perfectly good friendship by saying a few 'more than platonic' words.
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She doesn't have a point...Frankly, i disagree with *both* of them and neither of them deserve to be in a relationship because quite frankly they're both extremely immature... well, "John" is slightly more mature than she is, and i can see he 'means' well. but he is still immature because he isn't handling it in the best way. I can see where he is going with this.... but i still don't really agree with it.

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Being on the receiving end of this sort of 'attention' i will wholeheartedly agree with you on this. It really does get on my nerves fairly quickly and quite frankly .
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