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^The original Japanese source from 2ch mentions Gyakuten Saiban 5 explicitly.
I think he's pointing a hole in my correlation link about Eshiro offering to help in GS5.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/074/G007495/20090626025/
I can't read japanese, but using stinky web translators, I don't see '5' used in the two page article to relate to GS5. But I don't know the first thing about Japanese so I rely on you folks to make sense of it.
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Wooster wrote:
Ash wrote:
^The original Japanese source from 2ch mentions Gyakuten Saiban 5 explicitly.
I think he's pointing a hole in my correlation link about Eshiro offering to help in GS5.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/074/G007495/20090626025/
I can't read japanese, but using stinky web translators, I don't see '5' used in the two page article to relate to GS5. But I don't know the first thing about Japanese so I rely on you folks to make sense of it.
Assuming this is the part you're refering to:
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On the other hand, I think there are a lot of people who want a continuation of the Gyakuten Saiban series. Are there developments regarding the next part of the Gyakuten Saiban/i] main series?
Eshiro:
I'm the producer of [i]Gyakuten Kenji, but Matsukawa Minae is the main producer of the Gyakuten Saiban series. Me and Matsukawa have also been thinking together regarding the Gyakuten Saiban series, talking about that we want to develop that further.
On the other hand, I think there are a lot of people who want a continuation of the Gyakuten Saiban series. Are there developments regarding the next part of the Gyakuten Saiban/i] main series?
Eshiro:
I'm the producer of [i]Gyakuten Kenji, but Matsukawa Minae is the main producer of the Gyakuten Saiban series. Me and Matsukawa have also been thinking together regarding the Gyakuten Saiban series, talking about that we want to develop that further.
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It will "involve" Edgeworth? What does that mean, just that he'll be in it I guess?
Maybe Apollo could be in this game, I dont think he met Edgeworth before.
What if we saw AAI characters (Kay etc) in GS5?
I'm very excited about PLvPW also though, less so about a GK3 (if its that), the West hasnt got GK2 yet.
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
If it's Gyakuten Kenji 3, then this does not surprise me. I am somewhat indifferent if it is.
If it's Gyakuten Saiban 5, the HELLS YEAH!
This would be very interesting news.
(Also, I'm hoping that the "New Yoshi horizontal side-scroller" is real. I love Yoshi and all his games.
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If it's Gyakuten Saiban 5, the HELLS YEAH!
This would be very interesting news. (Also, I'm hoping that the "New Yoshi horizontal side-scroller" is real. I love Yoshi and all his games.
)Even 'Yoshi's Story'? I'm a die hard Mario fan, but even I couldn't stomach that game.
... Now I crave Yoshi's Cookie.
It's not THAT bad. Just boring (and the overly cute/childlike nature of it gets annoying very fast).
Not that I would play it, though. Good lord, no.
I think pretty much the only thing anyone every remembers about that game is "The asshoooole, the asshooooole, the asshooooole!"
:D
I enjoyed Yoshi's Story I guess, as you say it was too cute and childlike for me (that got annoying very quickly) but I did love some of the music, especially in the ending sequence - really well done.
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・逆転裁判５新作。シナリオは逆転検事の人"
There's the original rumor once again. At the bottom, "逆転裁判５新作". A 5, right there for those who don't read Japanese. 新作 (shinsaku) means "new work/production." There's not much room for debate on this part. Whether it's true or not, we'll find out in a few more days, but it's extremely clear that it's Gyakuten Saiban 5, and it's a new game. シナリオは逆転検事の人 once again, is how you want to interpret it.
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tayo wrote:
How do you know that? I'm not disagreeing, but even as I translate it, it's very vague. Also, I'm not sure how the word "scenario" refers to writers. Nothing is said about the writers, and we don't have context other than that sentence to go off of.
I'm going off the fact that "scenario" appears in the Japanese game credits as a job title/division. I think it's short for "scenario writer."
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I return from a week or so absence due to school starting up again and I get something like this on my screen?! SCORE!!
Though it's just a rumor
But we never know until that famitsu issue comes out! I'm crossing my fingers here, people! 
PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character...
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OH MY GAWD.
I return from a week or so absence due to school starting up again and I get something like this on my screen?! SCORE!!
Though it's just a rumor But we never know until that famitsu issue comes out! I'm crossing my fingers here, people!
PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character...
I return from a week or so absence due to school starting up again and I get something like this on my screen?! SCORE!!
Though it's just a rumor
But we never know until that famitsu issue comes out! I'm crossing my fingers here, people! PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character PLEASE have Apollo as the main character...
I hope Apollo is the main character. If he isn't, then that means it'll be set in a different time period, right? It can't be set in Apollo's time, 'cause, well...there'd be Apollo to deal with. It just seems much easier to let poor old Apollo get his much delayed sequel, rather than bullshit around with forcing him out of the picture.
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MiaFeyFan wrote:
^ I completely agree with you (The 'I hope for Apollo' bit). It just seems like that's what they're doing. Pair all the merch that's been coming out with no Apollo with the Edgeworth Sequel and PL vs AA and it's pretty obvious that they are trying to make us "forget about him". Though maybe I shouldn't be so pessimistic about it...
It's kind of hard for anybody to forget about Apollo, though. For better or for worse. His game was pretty controversial, and if Capcom are trying to make people forget about it, then that's just embarrassing.
It's like cutting a huge, loud fart, then pretending it didn't happened. Not gonna work.
(Apologies to any fans of Apollo Justice for that rather insulting analogy. But it's like that, really. The longer they try to make people forget about Apollo, the more I just want to facepalm.)
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I'm curious as to what you mean by "his game was controversial."
What I mean is that it split the fanbase in half. Some love it, others hate it.
The game took established characters and put them through drastic changes for no apparent reason. It had a multitute of plot holes and questions left unanswered by the end of the game.
Essentially, it is a very controversial game. It's unlike any other Ace Attorney game, and fans both praise and shame the game because of it.
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God Capcom, make Nick Apollo's aide or something if you want (actually not a bad idea IMO, Nick can retake the bar and not be really playable, or maybe him retaking the bar could be a tutorial?). Don't try to pretend AJ is some kind of AU. That's disrespectful, theres so much they could do with the character.
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
The game took established characters and put them through drastic changes for no apparent reason.
Actually, there were reasons.
For Ema, it was because if they kept her personality the same for AJ she would've overshadowed Trucy who has the same type of personality that young!Ema had. And Ema's old personality already clashed with Maya's. There's an assistant type in every AA game, after all
As for Phoenix, they couldn't keep him the same because the whole "fallen legend" thing was the one of the main focus' of the game. Also I hardly doubt that he would've stayed the same anyways, since everybody gets older and changes over time (that goes for Ema as well).
Personally I don't get why everyone was sooo upset by the character changes. Like I said before, everybody changes, and even though Nick and Ema did, their old selves were still there (specifically Ema's science addiction and Phoenix's determination for finding the truth).
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MiaFeyFan wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
The game took established characters and put them through drastic changes for no apparent reason.
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As for Phoenix, they couldn't keep him the same because the whole "fallen legend" thing was the one of the main focus' of the game. Also I hardly doubt that he would've stayed the same anyways, since everybody gets older and changes over time (that goes for Ema as well).
Personally I don't get why everyone was sooo upset by the character changes.
Personally I don't get why everyone was sooo upset by the character changes.
It's not so much the change in his character. It's that Phoenix didn't even need to be in the game anyway. His story had finished. Plus AJ was supposed to be a "new era" with a new cast. Dragging pre-existing characters into the game that have no reason to be there in the first place is not what I'd call a new era in a game series.
Nevertheless, AJ needs that second game. What I'm hoping to see is a Phoenix based tutorial case like grim_tales said, if Capcom need to make Phoenix playable.
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
MiaFeyFan wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
The game took established characters and put them through drastic changes for no apparent reason.
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As for Phoenix, they couldn't keep him the same because the whole "fallen legend" thing was the one of the main focus' of the game. Also I hardly doubt that he would've stayed the same anyways, since everybody gets older and changes over time (that goes for Ema as well).
Personally I don't get why everyone was sooo upset by the character changes.
Personally I don't get why everyone was sooo upset by the character changes.
It's not so much the change in his character. It's that Phoenix didn't even need to be in the game anyway. His story had finished. Plus AJ was supposed to be a "new era" with a new cast. Dragging pre-existing characters into the game that have no reason to be there in the first place is not what I'd call a new era in a game series.
Nevertheless, AJ needs that second game. What I'm hoping to see is a Phoenix based tutorial case like grim_tales said, if Capcom need to make Phoenix playable.
Imagine if Capcom changed, or rather "added" to the gameplay in a new a fresh way, while still holding true to its routes. What if you could play as either Apollo or Phoenix in certain parts, and they have different reasoning abilities and partially different storylines that all come together in the end? Or rather it's the same story, but the gameplay is slightly different depending who you play as.
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In 4-1, once Phoenix had the Aid desk, he was doing Apollo's job with Apollo sitting along for the ride.
And 4-4... You could write an essay on how Phoenix stole that episode.
Phoenix stole the show in both cases. He's too much.
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Phoenix stole the show in both cases. He's too much.
Which is why I (personally) think that they should just make Apollo playable and really move the story along. Besides, wouldn't having both Nick and Polly playable just split up the fanbase more than it already is?
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And I don't think the idea of a GK3 is bad, is just unlikely that Capcom want to produce it now. GK2 is so... how can I put this... new?
They had focused for years in GK, which is not a bad thing. The series really needs some spin-off to explain the events between GS3 and GS4 and put some coherence and connection between their storylines! But now is time to move on with the main series.
(I can't avoid asking myself what kind of story GS5 would have, though...)
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But in a way it felt too big to be a tutorial case - Phoenix stole the show a bit and maybe it would have been better if that case had been 4-2 or something. Its done in such a way that Kristoph does a 180 when we've only just met him. Does that make the impact as great? No.
3-1 was kinda similar to that (also a good case) but it linked with the others (3-4, 3-5) so well.
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And how would you think about a 6-case game? At least I hope it has more cases than 4, because that always felt a little to less to me.
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What if they handle this game just like GS3? With Apollo being the main character, but one or two cases being handled, or partly being handled by Phoenix? Just like Mia did in GS3?
And how would you think about a 6-case game? At least I hope it has more cases than 4, because that always felt a little to less to me.
And how would you think about a 6-case game? At least I hope it has more cases than 4, because that always felt a little to less to me.
Think if we split Phoenix/Apollo as a game it would cripple GS5.
Phoenix already dominated AJ1 when he appeared in it, making him actually playable for 2 cases would rob half of Apollo's limelight
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As for including Phoenix in the new game, I will be extremely disappointed with Capcom if Phoenix appears as anything more than a side character. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that they included him in GS4. It was a great way to bring the two casts (1-3 and 4) together and I enjoyed a lot of the game's out-of-court interaction with him. However, I hated the fact that he stole the show every time he appeared in court. It just wasn't fair to Apollo, and for me, it actually detracted from the game significantly. The change of protagonist in the last case left me feeling empty. You spend all this time playing as Apollo and working towards this giant climax, and then someone else swoops in and steals your thunder. :/
In GS5, if we're really getting it, I'd love to see him again in non-court scenarios, but I don't care to see him as an aid/mentor, nor do I care to see him a witness/defendant again. He can go back and retake the bar exam for all I care, just as long as we don't play as him, and he doesn't cut into Apollo's time to shine.
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If Phoenix is the playable attorney for the first case, it kinda makes sense. He hasn't been an attorney for 7 years, and apart from ripping Gavin a new one in 4-1, he hasn't even been in a court and done the whole objecting thing.
The only thing I can think of for Apollo is that Apollo can say "It's been a while since I've appeared in court. Better not take my chances and start off small again." That would be kinda funny. A nice little lampshade to hang on the GS5 delay.
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GS5?! Excitement much?!?! Although I'm a bit of a pessimistic, so I'm going to delay being SUPER excited, until there's more info.
I'd be just as happy if they announced a GK3, but since they haven't localised GK2, I wouldn't be hopeful that anywhere outside Japan would see it.
I do think the fanbase is split almost half and half as to who liked AJ and who didn't. I'm in the 'prefer to forget it happened' camp, so I'm hoping GS5 will be more back to the old days, than carrying on with Apollo.
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I respect your opinion, though
To each her own, after all 
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^ But what more of "the good old days" can they do? Phoenix's story and past is jammed up tight. I don't really see where they could create a whole new story to fill in Phoenix's past, when it's already been done (GS3).
There are still two months from T&T to the "last trial" in AJ. They could also try to fill in those years of disbarment too but getting a game like that in the courtroom would be difficult.
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^ But what more of "the good old days" can they do? Phoenix's story and past is jammed up tight. I don't really see where they could create a whole new story to fill in Phoenix's past, when it's already been done (GS3). I think it was even a stretch to have him so heavily in GS4, and even be playable, when the games clearly called "Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney"
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I respect your opinion, though
To each her own, after all Yeah, I agree with Phoenix being in AJ too much. It should have either been centered on him, or not at all.
Like nevertalk said, there are still 2 months you could fill up to the evil trial. There is also Phoenix getting his badge back after AJ. That could work, then some AJ characters could be in it (I didn't hate the game, I just hated the concept, so I'd like to see some returning characters). I dunno, I have faith in the writers. Even if it is Apollo centered, I know I'll still love it.
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^ But what more of "the good old days" can they do? Phoenix's story and past is jammed up tight. I don't really see where they could create a whole new story to fill in Phoenix's past, when it's already been done (GS3). I think it was even a stretch to have him so heavily in GS4, and even be playable, when the games clearly called "Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney"
I respect your opinion, though To each her own, after all
I respect your opinion, though
To each her own, after all Actually, this is why scriptwriters exist, isn't it?
I mean, I really don't agree with the idea the AJ's history being just thrown away, but the series can somehow maintain the connection with past events.
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^ But what more of "the good old days" can they do? Phoenix's story and past is jammed up tight. I don't really see where they could create a whole new story to fill in Phoenix's past, when it's already been done (GS3).
There are still two months from T&T to the "last trial" in AJ. They could also try to fill in those years of disbarment too but getting a game like that in the courtroom would be difficult.
Thats a potentially dangerous scored out sentence ya got there....
Two months aren't really enough to make an entire story on considering that I think most games cover a good portion of a year from first to last case.
And years of disbarment? If they made a game like that it wouldn't be in the courtroom at all it's impossible.
No man I don't find it plausible for them to use Phoenix again and Apollo is good enough to not be written off as alternative universe
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I'm always cautious about taking 2chan rumors too seriously, they're either spot on or complete bull from my experience. God knows it's about time for a second AJ game though.
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But I'm thinking...how will they get to make the tutorial case work? It's either due to the main character being a fresh attorney (GS1, GS3, GS4), or a plot device (GS2).
If Phoenix is the playable attorney for the first case, it kinda makes sense. He hasn't been an attorney for 7 years, and apart from ripping Gavin a new one in 4-1, he hasn't even been in a court and done the whole objecting thing.
The only thing I can think of for Apollo is that Apollo can say "It's been a while since I've appeared in court. Better not take my chances and start off small again." That would be kinda funny. A nice little lampshade to hang on the GS5 delay.
If Phoenix is the playable attorney for the first case, it kinda makes sense. He hasn't been an attorney for 7 years, and apart from ripping Gavin a new one in 4-1, he hasn't even been in a court and done the whole objecting thing.
The only thing I can think of for Apollo is that Apollo can say "It's been a while since I've appeared in court. Better not take my chances and start off small again." That would be kinda funny. A nice little lampshade to hang on the GS5 delay.
They could do it similarly to how it was delivered in AAI, by having Trucy ask "Hey Polly it's been a while, so can you remind me of what do you do in Cross-examinations again?
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I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
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On another note, I wonder how the game would change as a result of (almost certainly) being developed for the 3DS.
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
I love the cutscene idea and definitely hope Capcom goes that route, but the thought of full voice-acting scares me. I think it works so well with games like Layton because, well, you just can't go wrong with a British accent, and they've been doing it since the start. XD With Ace Attorney, a lot of people would be let down if the voice coming out of the DS isn't the one they've been hearing in their heads for the last four or five years. And then I think of someone trying to do Klavier's accent, and... ugh. XD
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On another note, I wonder how the game would change as a result of (almost certainly) being developed for the 3DS.
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
Oh man I'd hate full voice acting and cutscenes. As much as change and innovation is necessary I think the old PW formula is what gives the games some of their charm(much like Pokemon). Personally I'd miss the beeping noise of the text if they went full voice acting with it. As for cutscenes I don't know how to explain it, but I feel like they wouldn't fit in well.
What I'd love to see is 3D examining of evidence ohoho hmmm yes. An upgrade to the sprites would be nice too, though the AJ ones were good enough as it is.
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Saviala wrote:
Wolverfrog wrote:
On another note, I wonder how the game would change as a result of (almost certainly) being developed for the 3DS.
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
I'd personally like full voice acting, sprites that were fluidly animated, an orchestral score during the non-ambient moments, more cinematic camera work, and maybe even cutscenes (for example, if JfA had been made for 3DS, at the part where Phoenix crashes down the door in Engarde's manor, we'd actually see him do it in a Layton-esque cutscene rather than just reading a few lines of text and having to extrapolate what happens.)
Oh man I'd hate full voice acting and cutscenes. As much as change and innovation is necessary I think the old PW formula is what gives the games some of their charm(much like Pokemon). Personally I'd miss the beeping noise of the text if they went full voice acting with it. As for cutscenes I don't know how to explain it, but I feel like they wouldn't fit in well.
What I'd love to see is 3D examining of evidence ohoho hmmm yes. An upgrade to the sprites would be nice too, though the AJ ones were good enough as it is.
In other words you don't really want anything new?
Didn't AJ and even PW1-5 have 3D examinations of evidence?
I think cutscenes would be good at just the right times.
Besides better get used to cutscenes, good ol' Phoenix is going to appear in plenty in PW VS PL
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