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Re: Ace Attorney 5 - 1st week sales data (Japan)

Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:29 am

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TheRedPriest wrote:

DeMatador wrote:

I'm rather interest by this, so would it be too much of a bother if I asked you for a bullet-point list of your arguments regarding why you won't support DD's digital release? I sincerely cannot think of one good enough reason.

No, no problem at all. I'll try to keep it brief.
1) As a larger issue, I prefer physical copies of games
2) Digital copies suffer from a number of issues physical ones do not such as not being able to sell/borrow/trade, I don't own the copy I bought, I have no faith I'll be able to repurchase the game for a 3DS in the distant future should I need to get a new 3DS/copy of DD as I would be able to with a physical copy. It's largely an issue of our rights as consumers.
3) I don't like how Capcom has handled this entire affair and while I have voiced my opinion on their official forums (as they request fans to because they listen) the only other recourse I have is to not spend money.
4) I honestly don't believe Capcom has any intention of going back to physical release if DD is successful digitally.
5) The fact this is a normal retail release but has been turned around to digital only for us. I'd be FAR more forgiving had this been developed digital only from the get go, going so far to say I probably would have bought it (reluctantly) because there never was a normal physical release for it.
6) I love Nintendo and all, but their digital distribution system is objectively the worst one out there by a mile. Having to deal with it really doesn't help.

These all pretty much go back to an issue that is larger than Ace Attorney to me. It's a subject I am extremely passionate about and strongly believe in. It's not an issue of resisting progress as opposing moving to a system that I honestly feel is inferior to what we have and offers far fewer rights as consumers.

I just want this to be known before anyone critizices the eShop any further. This is my argument here.

Chris @ CapcomUnity wrote:

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And yeah, in some ways, your digital purchases are actually safer.

I see. I understand all your concerns. I just wanted to see how personal your issues were, and now I see they very much are. So in the end it's not a problem in Capcom's side, but a problem in how you *perceive* Capcom and Nintendo's policies, and what you *prefer* over what. It doesn't get any more personal than that.

And that's okay, really. But you can only defend yourself, and people who like/dislike/perceive/don't perceive the same things you do/don't. So I don't think that's a very, very small demographic, one that Capcom should not worry about at all. This makes me feel better for this game's sales now, to be honest.

Re: Ace Attorney 5 - 1st week sales data (Japan)

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:51 am

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TheRedPriest wrote:

No, no problem at all. I'll try to keep it brief.
1) As a larger issue, I prefer physical copies of games
2) Digital copies suffer from a number of issues physical ones do not such as not being able to sell/borrow/trade, I don't own the copy I bought, I have no faith I'll be able to repurchase the game for a 3DS in the distant future should I need to get a new 3DS/copy of DD as I would be able to with a physical copy. It's largely an issue of our rights as consumers.
3) I don't like how Capcom has handled this entire affair and while I have voiced my opinion on their official forums (as they request fans to because they listen) the only other recourse I have is to not spend money.
4) I honestly don't believe Capcom has any intention of going back to physical release if DD is successful digitally.
5) The fact this is a normal retail release but has been turned around to digital only for us. I'd be FAR more forgiving had this been developed digital only from the get go, going so far to say I probably would have bought it (reluctantly) because there never was a normal physical release for it.
6) I love Nintendo and all, but their digital distribution system is objectively the worst one out there by a mile. Having to deal with it really doesn't help.

1) Well, that's a personal preference, so I can hardly say anything against it but at the same time it's not an objective argument against digital downloads either.
2) I need several bullet points to answer this:
- Actually, using systems like Steam or PSN you can lend your games. Just have your friends using your log in data and then play the games in offline mode.
- Again using Steam (or gog.com) as an example you're usually buying digital games very cheap, so there is actually no need to ever sell them again. But I do acknowledge your point, because some people want to buy the games at full price and then resell them. In Germany the consumer protection currently sues Valve to force them to allow user to resell their digital copies (technical, it's no problem at all), but I doubt Valve will care.
- About ownership: When you buy a physical copy of a game you only own the disc and the box, but you don't own the game. It's actually the same when buying the game digitally, with the difference being the media on which the game data is stored (disc/cartridge vs SD-card/harddrive). Also you're exposed to stupid DRM system (just think of Blizzard or Ubisoft) no matter what version of the game you have bought.
- About being able to repurchase a game in the future: First, there is actually no need to ever repurchase a digitally bought game, because you can just easily backup it on your harddrive, SD card or wherever you want. Second it's actually much easier and cheaper to hunt down a digital version of an old game compared to a (usually rare) physical copy. Also even if Valve, Nintendo or Sony were to shutdown their online stores, you could still play all your purchased games.
- Note, that I do think Nintendo's eShop system isn't the greatest without an account system. But they actually do track all the games you have purchased and usually can and will do something about it when your 3DS gets stolen or breaks.
3) I don't really see your problem here.
4) That's pure speculation. So your point is you don't want to buy AA5 as a download, because it could be "too successful"?
5) Again, I don't see your problem here. They have explained why they do a DD-only release in the west and it's really not important whether there is a retail release in Japan or not. In Japan there are many people who buy the games in the West there are not.
6.) Well, it is the worst digital distribution system but it's not as bad as many people think. First, if you don't lose or break your 3DS there won't be any problem at all (and that's the normal case). I mean you don't stop buying stuff, just because you could break or lose them in the worst case, right? And even if the worst case happens, as I already told, there are options to get your purchases back.
Also by the end of the year Nintendo wants to introduce a new system which enables you to purchase stuff from the eShop via PCs and smartphones (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/30/ni ... this-year/). I think chances are good this also means your games are now really tied to an account and not only the system (of course this is speculation by my side).

TheRedPriest wrote:

These all pretty much go back to an issue that is larger than Ace Attorney to me. It's a subject I am extremely passionate about and strongly believe in. It's not an issue of resisting progress as opposing moving to a system that I honestly feel is inferior to what we have and offers far fewer rights as consumers.

Overall I think you have a completely wrong perception of the actual differences between physical and digital distribution. The biggest misperception being the imagination that every day companies could blow up or just push a button and you will be unable to play your digitally purchased games anymore.