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Hmm even u say that, I still highly doubt that Brisbane is the victim
Now to the "Hemlock" theory person:
Cardiovore wrote:
Part 2: Master of Puppets
Desperate to get to the bottom of whoever's responsible for this shocking crime, Phoenix defends his client and pursues the truth - a truth that originated five years ago. And after a series of strange events that tie directly to the murders of Perry Docks and Cedric Maplethorpe, Phoenix begins to wonder if he and the court have been making a terrible mistake all along.

"If Vulper wasn't the killer, then who could it be ?"
Think about the crime scene of two murders in Part 1, they are both in prison. So that makes a question:
"Who can gain the access to the prison ?"
That can only mean Hemlock/or his accomplice must be a member of police force, prosecutor, or a prison guard. And since we knew the story so far in the beginning, there are only 4 people have the access to the prison:
+ Prosecutor: Brisbane
+ Detective: Snow, Smith
+ The Judge
+ Chief of Police
Well, now I absolutely doubt that the chief of police fellow is the one who on the edge now.


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Because double posting is so cool. Ayup.

Anywho, to keep this at least slightly on topic... You've set up quite an interesting crime here, Cardie. Look forward to seeing what you are going to do in this part. (Well, after the slight tidbit you have us. xD)
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Here's my theory for the second part of TotS:

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Victim - Brisbane
Defendant - Smith
Prosecutor - ...Edgeworth

You’ve said once that you can consider Edgeworth making an appearance, besides you have to somehow get rid of Brisbane at the end of CoC to make a room for Klavier and what is a better way than killing him off?

So far Edgeworth appeared in every final case of all games in which Phoenix was the main protagonist – PW:AA, JFA, T&T and DD. Therefore, adding him to your final case wouldn’t be something totally out of blue.

Furthermore, because Aculeus is related to the smuggling ring, Edgey might have an interest into taking them down.

Let's face the facts - Brisbane's prosecuting skills have been progressively deteriorating from case to case. He's now lost all reasoning. I doubt he'll make a good final opponent in his current state.


Anyway, I made a few graphic fixes for Turnabout Scapegoat:

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I hope that I chose a good sprite :edgy:. Just copy these backgrounds to your folder and rename them respectively as manor-living-chair-snow.png; manor-secret-day-snow.png; policehq-snow.png and phoenixoffice-snow.png.
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Darth Wiader, that actually makes sense. You have beaten my theory.
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Darth Wiader wrote:
Here's my theory for the second part of TotS:

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Victim - Brisbane
Defendant - Smith
Prosecutor - ...Edgeworth

You’ve said once that you can consider Edgeworth making an appearance, besides you have to somehow get rid of Brisbane at the end of CoC to make a room for Klavier and what is a better way than killing him off?

So far Edgeworth appeared in every final case of all games in which Phoenix was the main protagonist – PW:AA, JFA, T&T and DD. Therefore, adding him to your final case wouldn’t be something totally out of blue.

Furthermore, because Aculeus is related to the smuggling ring, Edgey might have an interest into taking them down.

Let's face the facts - Brisbane's prosecuting skills have been progressively deteriorating from case to case. He's now lost all reasoning. I doubt he'll make a good final opponent in his current state.


Anyway, I made a few graphic fixes for Turnabout Scapegoat:

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I hope that I chose a good sprite :edgy:. Just copy these backgrounds to your folder and rename them respectively as manor-living-chair-snow.png; manor-secret-day-snow.png; policehq-snow.png and phoenixoffice-snow.png.



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:payne: I hope not, Brisbane along with Snow, Smith and Vex are my favourites, but if Vulper was killed than I are be like "as along as my three top faves Snow, Smith and Erol are alive"
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when will you be done with the game :eh?:
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Just finished Haunted Turnabout and I'm now itching for more details, and more excited now to play Turnabout of the Snow. But I wonder when will Part 2 because I want to play 2 parts at the same time.

I love Vexxy and Snow, not much on Brisbane. But:

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I don't think Manfred Von Karma acts the same way as his apprentice Brisbane has. Brisbane seems to be more "violent" as Manfred has, but Manfred indeed has this "demanding" pet peeve, even Franziska. Manfred might shout at even to Udgey, but I feel like sometimes I feel like Brisbane takes it over the top, even at other people, or in this case, all the people he meet that he deemed suspicious or ridiculous.

Or maybe he just acts differently compared to Edgeworth to most things.

I really loved Snow's uniqueness. He's like Gumshoe's polar opposite. Albeit a real slacker, a not-so-straightforward talker, and a really hard person to deal with, I think he doesn't make major mistakes as Gumshoe is on most instances (the fact that his payroll is unscathed most of the time). But of course he's not as reliable, loyal and dedicated as Gumshoe is.
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You wanna play them at the same time?
OK, but (Guessing here) I think Part 2 might be ready in somewhere at next year, around fall and christmas, not sure at all, just guessing.
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Hmmmmm....
Has everybody found gliches or typos or something in these cases that would be worth fixing?
I have some and also useing the points made by some other users.
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To do list.

T-S Maya says "Car tyres" in Krumps mansion.
T-S, just why didn't Snow wheel TIIITUUUS KRRRRRUUUMPP's body to court when it was said that he gave a false testimony?
T-S, How the heck did VulperKrump get blue contacts in jail?
T-S, Grodyburgers bodytape is waaaay too slim.
T-S, The blody "picture of a scar" on the card in the crime scense does not appear when you examine the scene nearby.
T-S, THT, TOTS, Snows talking sprites dont mach the image shown when he does not talk.
T-S,the handprint in Vinnies trial is coverd by the " Court Records " button.
T-S, Vulpers second breakdown is kinda lame and just a re-version of his old one.
THT, Finchlock pistols requier gunpowder and the bullet inside of them (also a pice of wool that lights up and burns down lighting the gunpowder), this kinda overturns 100% the idea of the "Baby killin" being a accident. But the point "Gun was fierd by accident" still remains nicely.
THT, How did Maplethorps coffe cup endup in the room 106?
THT, why did Maplethorp even suggest that the angels was a counterfeight (spelling errors on my part)
THT, In the end it looken like Vulpers hair was coverd in red magatamas.
TOTS, The saying "Kangoroo Court" was given a whole new meaning.
TOTS, Brisbane is too stupid not to object at the end to the fact that how Vulper could have planned the poisoning.
TOTS and T-S, If Brisbane wanted Renwick to keep hos mouth shut, why did he himself tell that hes eye is the Enigminium in court? :hotti:



Some of these are things that seemed odd and some just nitpicks but overal, it is something that if done out of the way, would make CoC even more flawless then it already is.
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Part 1 (White as snow) doesn't fully load the sprites and backgrounds :sadshoe:
Spoiler: Part 1: White as Snow
When you meet Snow at the detention center, everything is pitch black and sometimes the text glitches (Snows name in the speech bubble sometimes appear as ''Phoenix'' or nothing is there.)

I am really looking forward to play this!
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Part 1 (White as snow) doesn't fully load the sprites and backgrounds :sadshoe:
Spoiler: Part 1: White as Snow
When you meet Snow at the detention center, everything is pitch black and sometimes the text glitches (Snows name in the speech bubble sometimes appear as ''Phoenix'' or nothing is there.)

I am really looking forward to play this!

You need the first two cases already installed as that's where the missing files are. I recommend deleting everything, then installing this package, and THEN installing this one for case 3, replacing all files and folders when prompted.
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Cardi!
Is it possible to have a (extreamly) rough idea that "When" would Part 2 come out?
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Cardiovore wrote:
BonnyMono wrote:
Part 1 (White as snow) doesn't fully load the sprites and backgrounds :sadshoe:
Spoiler: Part 1: White as Snow
When you meet Snow at the detention center, everything is pitch black and sometimes the text glitches (Snows name in the speech bubble sometimes appear as ''Phoenix'' or nothing is there.)

I am really looking forward to play this!

You need the first two cases already installed as that's where the missing files are. I recommend deleting everything, then installing this package, and THEN installing this one for case 3, replacing all files and folders when prompted.

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Interesting bug in the first testimony of Case 1.

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If you present unrelated evidence at the amended statement in Marshall's first testimony, the game skips straight to the error message you'd get when you chose the wrong part of the card to focus on instead of the testimony.

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Another error in Turnabout Scapegoat, similar to the one I already mentioned-- this one at the very end of the game.

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After you say that only Brisbane and Snow could have the enigmium, you're asked to show evidence which will determine which of the two has it. If you present the wrong evidence, instead of reanswering the question, you move to the point where you try to prove Vulper's motive.


Also, the game loops at the end, but with all the old evidence in place. Not sure if this is meant to be a new game + or something though.
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Also, the game loops at the end, but with all the old evidence in place. Not sure if this is meant to be a new game + or something though.


That's just Pywright. I'm pretty sure every game does that (I know mine does).
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That sounds like the same thing that happend to me,
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when presenting the armchair to Brisbane to prove where Krump was killed he would react and then go back to the same thing even if I presented the right thing, and now if id present it again, it would always give me a penalty.
This was the codings fault as Cardi pointed it out to me, it was missing something called "crimescenebluff0" and it missing would make it go on a endles loop.

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There's something about Brisbane that's worth noting.
Spoiler: Case 1
If his mentor is Manfred von Karma, then his Prosecutor's badge shouldn't be in plain sight, since von Karma says that it's chic to keep it in your pocket. Which contradicts the fact that Erol Brisbane IS in fact his student.

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BonnyMono:

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I'll just point that, even if one is a student of somebody else, one isn't obligated to follow the exact same mannerisms the mentor had.

Specially when that mentor isn't around to criticize you for having your badge out (you know, in account of he being in jail or executed, I forgot what had happened around the time this game happened)


Of course maybe that isn't what Cardiovore may have thought, I don't know.
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"Unexpected Victim"? :yuusaku:
I think I know what might happen

This is but a theory so I could be wrong

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Victim: Terry Greisen/ James Trent
Defendant: Renwick Smith

Again, This is just a theory so I could be wrong
Terry was going after the smuggling ring and Hemlock must've known he was on to them
Needless to say he needed Terry out of the way so the ring could continue and nobody could stop it.
And he also "had plans" for "his american friend" (I have a feeling Renwick is that guy) he would frame Renwick for the death of Terry.
Plus the Summary for Case 4 (that right I'll called it case 4, get off my fucking back) mentions that when Phoenix finds out who the victim is, he decides "you know what I'm gonna find the dickhead who did this and I'm gonna make sure he pays for what he did"
Renwick's eccentric behavior probably has something to do with the fact that the Ringleader had him in the palm of his hand (That's a possibility), Phoenix, being the understanding bloke he is, helps Renwick and frees him and finds the truth
As for why Hemlock Killed Cedric and Perry, well let's start with Cedric, recall case 2 when Cedric said "I've killed a fellow employee, accident or not my employer will not be pleased" or something along the lines of that, Hemlock probably killed him for that and told Renwick to tamper with the crime scene and move Cedric from his bed to the bars that kept him and Vulper apart, as for why he wanted Vulper to take the blame, because:
A) He would be a likely suspect and therefore the perfect scapegoat.
B) At the end of case three, Hem and Alba were talking about how much of a "traitor" Vulper was.

As for why he killed Perry, well I have nothing but It's possible that he wanted to stop the interrogation (In case Vulper "Betrays" them later on, probably by revealing his involvement)

Yes I believe Renwick tampered with the Crime Scene by order of Hemlock, possibly to hide evidence of the latter's involvement and making sure all evidence pointed to Vulper.
And it's possible, this is a weak theory but it is somewhat possibly that while Vulper was asleep Renwick planted Vulper's fingerprints on the garrote wire, to create strong evidence against him.

But who knows maybe the Chief will go easy on Renwick since they both were being terrorized by Hemlock

Speaking of the Chief, by order of Hemlock he was told to make that prison transfer and make sure that Cedric Maplethorpe and Vex Vulper were the only ones there.





Spoiler: Likely Victims
-Terry Greisen: Because as I have said before he was after the smuggling ring.
-Erol Brisbane (Heaven Forbid): He has the Enigmium, Which is the "Stupid Rock" Smith was forced to look for, but because he made a promise to Brisbane he refused, how did he know that Brisbane had the Enigmium, think about the near-end of Vincenzo's Trial ... exactly.
-Vick Barrows: Like Greisen he too, was after the ring, so there's a possibility that Hemlock tries to kill Vick (But unlike Cedric's Attempt, Hem's attempt was actually successful).
-Detective Snow (HEAVEN, GOD AND EVEN BUDDHA FORBID, I FUCKING LOVE THAT GUY):... *ahem* ... anyway, Hemlock (Or possibly Vulper) tried to kill Snow, So fingers crossed that the next attempt will NOT be sucessful.
-Vincenzo Cicatrice: Hey Cardi said "Unexpected Victim" plus Vinnie knows the secret of the "Card" so Hemlock might've wanted to kill him to.
-Schaden Freude: As I've said in my first theory Mr. Freude was possibly working for Hemlock, He might found him useless in the end and decided to "Dispose" of him.


Spoiler: Unlikely Victims
Renwick Smith (I HOPE!!! :payne: ): Because the Victim lived in a house, Renwick lives in an apartment and the Witness is said to live in a house next to the victims where she witnessed the crime through her window, Unless her window happens to have a view of one of the apartments (namely Renwick Smith's)
After all, the summary for Turnabout of the Snow part 2 didn't specifically state the victim died in a house.
Vex Vulper: Read the theory above and work it out for yourself, moron!

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST

Quercus Alba!!!!
While the likeliness of Alba being the victim is as huge as an ant's erection compared to the size of a human being, I thought maybe he could be the victim because at the end of case 3, Hemlock said he had plans for Alba and Renwick (His "American Friend") but then I thought "Wait! The crime scene was the victim's house and that phone convo between Alba and Hemlock took place 5 years prior 2019, so why would Hemlock wait until then to do the deed?
Did he need to wait until Quercus was bought to Jail?
Either way the only thing that renders this theory to complete horseshit is the fact that the crime happened in the victim's home
So yeah that's my theory You fucking douche! lol jk


I don't who the mastermind is but My suspiousions are on:

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:object: VICK BARROWS!!!
When digging through the "Contempt of Court" files of the Haunted Turnabout I found and ID Card with someone who bore stricking resemblance to Vick, and on the ID Card there was a symbol which looked suspiciously like the thorn rose on the card that looked just like the smuggling rings trademark, Vick might've joined Terry's group to get closer to him and stop him of course he would've needed to keep it a secret, it was then in case 4 (STFU it's case 4) Terry smelt a rat and then tried to kill Vick but Vick triumph in the end :sadshoe:
That's just my theory.


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:object: VICK BARROWS!!!
When digging through the "Contempt of Court" files of the Haunted Turnabout I found and ID Card with someone who bore stricking resemblance to Vick, and on the ID Card there was a symbol which looked suspiciously like the thorn rose on the card that looked just like the smuggling rings trademark, Vick might've joined Terry's group to get closer to him and stop him of course he would've needed to keep it a secret, it was then in case 4 (STFU it's case 4) Terry smelt a rat and then tried to kill Vick but Vick triumph in the end :sadshoe:
That's just my theory.


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well, it IS the thorned rose, that is obvious. BUT no, that ID just prvoes him to be in Terrys clan, if you remember from AAI 1 the Yagatrasu´s card was balck and white, opposite in the color scheme to the smuggeling rings raven but in here the rose is BALCK, when IN THE OTHER IT IS WHITE, meaning that the ID was most likely an piece of evidence for the case that was never used, then again, you could be right on the subject, but I go as far as to say that I am 99,9% correct. :garyuu:

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:object: VICK BARROWS!!!
When digging through the "Contempt of Court" files of the Haunted Turnabout I found and ID Card with someone who bore stricking resemblance to Vick, and on the ID Card there was a symbol which looked suspiciously like the thorn rose on the card that looked just like the smuggling rings trademark, Vick might've joined Terry's group to get closer to him and stop him of course he would've needed to keep it a secret, it was then in case 4 (STFU it's case 4) Terry smelt a rat and then tried to kill Vick but Vick triumph in the end :sadshoe:
That's just my theory.


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well, it IS the thorned rose, that is obvious. BUT no, that ID just prvoes him to be in Terrys clan, if you remember from AAI 1 the Yagatrasu´s card was balck and white, opposite in the color scheme to the smuggeling rings raven but in here the rose is BALCK, when IN THE OTHER IT IS WHITE, meaning that the ID was most likely an piece of evidence for the case that was never used, then again, you could be right on the subject, but I go as far as to say that I am 99,9% correct. :garyuu:


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Hmmm, can't seem to find them.
Exept one regarding who the victims and so and so are.

But heres at least my reasoning.
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Judge: The Judge
Prosecutor: Brisbane (Cause it would not fit in the timeline if Edgy was it)
Detective: Robert "Mr. Sarcastic" Snow
Defendent: ???
Victim: Renwick (cause he really is the only one maching to it, Brisbane cant be it cause of the lack of prosecution and edgy cause the timeline (as he is out of contry, as seen in T&T) and Vex is going to his death enyway so he is not it, the motive? The fact that he never told where the enigminium was to Hemlock.
I domt know about the victim sooo that remains to be seen, please kill renwick, rather him then Vex or snow/erol/terry.

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While playing Turnabout Scapegoat, I can only play the opening scene and see the murder happen.
After the sfx, PYWright crashes. Pywright keeps crashing at the same spot.
Is it just my computer?
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Found the problem.

Go into scene1.script.txt

Search for a line with "{s}{next}" and put maybe a 20 immediately after the s. So it would be "{s20}{next}".
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While playing Turnabout Scapegoat, I can only play the opening scene and see the murder happen.
After the sfx, PYWright crashes. Pywright keeps crashing at the same spot.
Is it just my computer?

I had the same problem, it could be either the version Pywright is in, or you have to download another package of ''Contempt of Court''.
OR you can go with Ropfa's solution.
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Hmmm, can't seem to find them.
Exept one regarding who the victims and so and so are.

But heres at least my reasoning.
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Judge: The Judge
Prosecutor: Brisbane (Cause it would not fit in the timeline if Edgy was it)
Detective: Robert "Mr. Sarcastic" Snow
Defendent: ???
Victim: Renwick (cause he really is the only one maching to it, Brisbane cant be it cause of the lack of prosecution and edgy cause the timeline (as he is out of contry, as seen in T&T) and Vex is going to his death enyway so he is not it, the motive? The fact that he never told where the enigminium was to Hemlock.
I domt know about the victim sooo that remains to be seen, please kill renwick, rather him then Vex or snow/erol/terry.

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Sorry to trouble you but there's a contradiction in your reasoning.

First off Turnabout of the Snow takes place 9 April 2019 (three days after The Grand Turnabout when Edgeworth was still in America)

Second off, Of course this case would be related to Edgeworth, he took down Quercus Alba, who is an acquaintance of Hemlock (You know the main antagonist of this fangame, You know the fangame made by Cardivore, who is a user on CourtRecord forums, which is a website dedicated to the Ace Attorney series) and therefore Edgey would want to involve himself in the smuggling ring he thought he took down.

Third off Turnabout Scapegoat (You know the first case of this game) takes place in March 28, which is around 26 days after Edgeworth came home from Borginia and it's apparently the day that Quercus Alba was put on Trial for his crimes.

Fourth off I never said Edgeworth was the defendant or the victim (because he later appears in Dual Destinies) I just thought he could replace Erol Brisbane if (God Forbid) he does end up as a Victim.

And as for Renwick Being the Victim (Which I hope never happens to him, Snow or Bris) well the witness did live next to him, but it's possible she was living in an apartment building next to the one Renwick lives in, and she might have witnessed it from her window
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it worked. but now again sfx crashed it. ("Sir") part
Guess ill find another version of it.
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Here's a link to an older version of PyWright; I believe Turnabout Scapegoat should run on it:

http://www.filedropper.com/pywright0986win
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You know, it's entirely possible that this "unexpected victim" is a completely new character. It's just unexpected for Phoenix because he was trying to be genre savvy for once and guess that it would be somebody important that he already knew.
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You know, it's entirely possible that this "unexpected victim" is a completely new character. It's just unexpected for Phoenix because he was trying to be genre savvy for once and guess that it would be somebody important that he already knew.


I think you're on to something there I just really really (I'm Sorry Cardivore please forgive me for continuously saying this endless, I just really really really really really love these characters, and if you want to kill one them, well it's your game you can do what you want with it) hope it's not Smith, Snow or Brisbane, I really fucking love those guys they're funny (Especially Snow)

by the way who do you think will be the unexpected victim or defendant.
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Jordan, I must say this, (to you're very face)
"INHALE"...
Spoiler: AAI2 spoilers
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:object: :odo-objection:
How do you propose that Edgeworth got hold of such info, the fact that the ring is still around and that it has a new leader called hemlock? Phoenix has never made contact him druing COC, and he thought that he has taken it down. Also edgy has been busy with Mr.creepy-ass-clown-guy-from-GK2. And even the president Tekuin ö (GK2) said in his speech that the smuggeling ring had been taken down, edgy (in his right mind) would not know about the ring, unless he just stumbles across a murder scene with Terry and hemlock fighting over a raven card. :uramidn:
Im not sure, there are some timeline mistakes in my argument, im sure and i have been a fan of the series for like 3y, i just suck at dates. :maggy:

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Jordan, I must say this, (to you're very face)
"INHALE"...
Spoiler: AAI2 spoilers
:igiari:
:object: :odo-objection:
How do you propose that Edgeworth got hold of such info, the fact that the ring is still around and that it has a new leader called hemlock? Phoenix has never made contact him druing COC, and he thought that he has taken it down. Also edgy has been busy with Mr.creepy-ass-clown-guy-from-GK2. And even the president Tekuin ö (GK2) said in his speech that the smuggeling ring had been taken down, edgy (in his right mind) would not know about the ring, unless he just stumbles across a murder scene with Terry and hemlock fighting over a raven card. :uramidn:
Im not sure, there are some timeline mistakes in my argument, im sure and i have been a fan of the series for like 3y, i just suck at dates. :maggy:


This is my theory so don't expect me to have the right answer
Spoiler: AAI2 spoilers
I meant to say that if Brisbane should die, Edgeworth (Being a possible acquaintance of Brisbane being mentored by the same Dickhead :karma: ) would of prosecuted the case so he can find out what happened and subsequently gets involved in the Aculeus case and Phoenix tells him about what Terry had been telling him.

Plus the "President" in Turnabout Target was actually a fake, The real Di-Jun Wang (That's the English name"dowolf" on YouTube, gave him) died in 2007 (Yet it was un-investigated) Plus the "Creepy-Ass-Clown-Guy" was taken down around the 6-7 of April, And if you remember correctly Turnabout of the Snow takes place April 9-11, So unless Edgey has something on his plate he needs to finish, he'll have to replace Bris should he die (Which I Hope never happens believe me)

Or theres even a slight (And I say "Slight" with great emphasis) that Edgeworth meet Terry Greisen (Who was possibly under a different name) and Terry possibly said:
"Hey you're that guy who stopped the Cohdopian Smuggling Ring aren't you, Well listen I would like to shake your hand but unfortunately the Smuggling Ring hasn't stopped, If anything It's just beginning, Sorry to rain on your parade Edgey-Wedgey" "hehehe, Wedgey"

As for the victim, as Ropfa said "It could be a newly introduced character" or it could possibly be Terry Greisen, who the fuck knows lets just wait for Cardivore to finish it and we can sleep at night without having to give it a bash.
If Hemlock even looks at Brisbane, Smith and/or Snow, I'll bone his dog
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Well, I said that i suck at dates.
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Ropfas theory is something that I just hope wont happend, I wish that it would be someone we know. You see, snow can't die cause there is zero reason for him, Brisbane could die but Cardi has said a number of times that in the end he must find a way to make space for Klavier, so it is nulikely that he dies, Vex is already going to the chair so he is not a target, Renwick maches everything: motive, scene of the crime, he is working for the ring (obviosly, duh!) and Hemlock kinda has no other reason for him other then getting the "rock" from Erols eye.
And I cant sleep at night without playing some COC first. It is just too good.
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Well, I said that i suck at dates.
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Ropfas theory is something that I just hope wont happend, I wish that it would be someone we know. You see, snow can't die cause there is zero reason for him, Brisbane could die but Cardi has said a number of times that in the end he must find a way to make space for Klavier, so it is nulikely that he dies, Vex is already going to the chair so he is not a target, Renwick maches everything: motive, scene of the crime, he is working for the ring (obviosly, duh!) and Hemlock kinda has no other reason for him other then getting the "rock" from Erols eye.
And I cant sleep at night without playing some COC first. It is just too good.
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Why don't we just wait until case 4 is out.

(By the way why do you want Renwick to die so badly)
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Hmm... so when can we expect some haipeshots from this case? Just asking.
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The_Turnabout_Guy wrote:
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Brisbane could die but Cardi has said a number of times that in the end he must find a way to make space for Klavier, so it is nulikely that he dies,


I think you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Killing off Brisbane would be the perfect way to open up a slot in the prosecution roster.

The_Turnabout_Guy wrote:
And I cant sleep at night without playing some COC first.


Might want to get that checked out.
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Ropfa wrote:
The_Turnabout_Guy wrote:
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Brisbane could die but Cardi has said a number of times that in the end he must find a way to make space for Klavier, so it is nulikely that he dies,


I think you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Killing off Brisbane would be the perfect way to open up a slot in the prosecution roster.

The_Turnabout_Guy wrote:
And I cant sleep at night without playing some COC first.


Might want to get that checked out.


Spot On :maya:
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Be a bit more careful when throwing AAI2 spoilers around guys. I'd expect most users wouldn't want to get randomly spoiled on the last boss of an unreleased game in some speculation for a completely unrelated fangame.
Make sure to mark it next time.

Also I should really get round to finishing this game at some point.
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Ropfa: I just dont want him to die..
And I also need my daily dose of CoI.
Nose:Well, just on purpose I called him with another name so it wont be so obivouse, and we used spoiler tags.
Jordan:cause if I had to choose, then I would rather have Renwick killed then Erol, Snow or vulper.

And I wonder what Cardi is doing now, laughing to us from the fact that everything is compleatly different from what we speculate, I can hear his laughs from all the way from Pandora...(noooooot!)
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