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Like, actually be able to meet, them, talk to them, etc. Personally, I woulda loved to see Bat, Neil Marshall, Mimi Miney, Celeste Inpax, and Glen Elg. Bat cause he's a cutie. Neil cause he would be interesting, same with Mimi and Glen. Celeste, I can imagine cross-examining her! =P
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Madame Sho wrote:
personally, I woulda loved to see Bat, Neil Marshall, Mimi Miney, Celeste Inpax, Glen Elg, and Valerie Hawthorne.


One of those was in the game.
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Please elaborate. What would you have liked to see them do?
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Madame Sho wrote:
Like, actually be able to meet, them, talk to them, etc. Personally, I woulda loved to see Bat, Neil Marshall, Mimi Miney, Celeste Inpax, and Glen Elg. Bat cause he's a cutie. Neil cause he would be interesting, same with Mimi and Glen. Celeste, I can imagine cross-examining her! =P

Mimi's in the game OO"

Joe Darke
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And Misty Fey (for a longer time).
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gregory edgeworth :edgy:

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I really wanna see Bat wake up. :acro:
Also, I wouldve like to at least hear about Phoenix's parents...you know?
I also sorta wanted to see Bruto Cadeverini :uramidn:
And, I wanna know what little 9 year old Edgeworth was like :edgy:
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Yeah, you know, I really thought there was going to be a recurring-setting case (like 1-3 and 2-4) in T&T where Bat wakes up, y'know? Then you have to defend him or something.
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Too bad Bruto didn't show up. He was fierce!

Would have liked to have been able to talk to him or see him do something.
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Bat for sure, and Valerie Hawthorne.

Also, Goodman, I hear he was a good man. :eh?:
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I'd have liked if Mia and Misty Fey had stuck around for a bit longer :'(
To be honest I think that a lot of the dead characters would've been cool to meet before they died. And it would have been soooooo awesome if Bat woke up during the game and was reunited with Acro and Regina *cries a lot*
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I wish :goodman: could have been the detective in the past cases (like Mia's). Gumshoe's cool, but I thought there was too much of him.

Also, :juan: would have been cool. He strikes me as like a :varanbaran: type of character.
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Hmm. Not so much a character that didn't appear, more a persona. I would have liked to have seen

Spoiler: 4-3, 4-4
Thalassa, as thalassa. Of course Lamiroir is proper nice and all that, but I want to know what she was like as Thalassa doing all magic and stuff.

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Cindy Stone.

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Bat, Russel, Detective Goodman, Neil Marshall, Celeste, Valarie...That's it. ^^;
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Hmm. Not so much a character that didn't appear, more a persona. I would have liked to have seen

Spoiler: 4-3, 4-4
Thalassa, as thalassa. Of course Lamiroir is proper nice and all that, but I want to know what she was like as Thalassa doing all magic and stuff.


Think Trucy, only more refined and calm?

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I would say Bruce Goodman as he seemed to be a very nice guy. Sadly we don't get to anything about him at all.
Maybe there should've been more about Mayas father, even though he died because of a desease. And also Pearls father of course. At least SOME information.
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Maybe there should've been more about Mayas father, even though he died because of a desease. And also Pearls father of course. At least SOME information.


It's like the opposite of how it's always the father that gets killed in stories and the kid is out to revenge them.
The father simply brought the sperm to fertalize the kids, the rest we don't care about, unless he were to appear as a witness or victim to a case.

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Juan Corrida would probably be the big one for me.
Spoiler: Farewell, My Turnabout
I'd want to hear his side of the Celeste Inpax story. There are things Adrian's side of the story leaves unanswered. For example, did Juan regret breaking off his engagement once Celeste killed herself? Just what did Celeste mean to him after she was gone? He was certainly hoping to use the incident to hurt Matt's reputation, but why? Was it just another part of their rivalry, or was it perhaps revenge for Matt's role in Celeste's suicide?

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Juan Corrida would probably be the big one for me.
Spoiler: Farewell, My Turnabout
I'd want to hear his side of the Celeste Inpax story. There are things Adrian's side of the story leaves unanswered. For example, did Juan regret breaking off his engagement once Celeste killed herself? Just what did Celeste mean to him after she was gone? He was certainly hoping to use the incident to hurt Matt's reputation, but why? Was it just another part of their rivalry, or was it perhaps revenge for Matt's role in Celeste's suicide?


Well, the way Adrian suggests things, it sounds like the following...
Spoiler: Case 2-4
Juan may have been good for Celeste, but when it came to his rivalry with Matt, his brain shut off and he became a total dickweed like Matt himself. So, hearing that he had 'the leftovers' of Matt, he ditched Celeste and probably angested and woe-is-me'd around for a while cause he got beaten by Matt again. So it's unlikely that he was very remorseful for breaking things off with Celeste.

He faked the suicide note. (If there ever was a real one, maybe he destroyed it because it also put him in a bad light) Then waited for a good opportunity to kill Matt's career. When? When Matt won the Hero of Heroes award - best moment of his life that Juan can ruin. Likely like his wedding announcement to Celeste, but still mostly in the foreground: Crush Matt!

And can I just say that I don't think Celeste was that great of a person, either, if she kills herself over 'something like that'?


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Valerie Hawthorne, because she's hot I wonder what kind of person she is, and why she helped out with that thing.

Robert Hammond is somewhat interesting. He is labeled as a somewhat corrupt? no, that's not the word I'm looking for, but something like that, defense attorney.

Celeste Inpax also seems like an interesting person.

Mimi, to see what kind of a person she was.

Bruce Goodman and Buddy Faith (a "Yeah" doesn't count) because I have the impression of them both being really kind people.

Neil Marshall, to see how his relationship with Jake Marshall was. It sounded like they were really close.

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Manny Coachen. He was there for maybe a second, but we didn't get to talk to him. For some reason I have an interest in him (no, not that kind of interest.


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Well, Bobby Fulbright.

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I would say Robert Hammond, Valerie Hawthorne and Celeste Impax.
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Robert Hammond is somewhat interesting. He is labeled as a somewhat corrupt? no, that's not the word I'm looking for, but something like that, defense attorney.


Robert was simply a baaaaad defense attorney cause he did not defend people for the sake of the truuuuuuuuuth. Because God knows, Lawyers only come in two shades: the Good ones that try to find the truth and the Bad ones that just do their freaking job. But since Hammond doesn't do things for truth, he's a bad defense attorney and pretty much deserved to die, the dick.

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Robert Hammond is somewhat interesting. He is labeled as a somewhat corrupt? no, that's not the word I'm looking for, but something like that, defense attorney.


Robert was simply a baaaaad defense attorney cause he did not defend people for the sake of the truuuuuuuuuth. Because God knows, Lawyers only come in two shades: the Good ones that try to find the truth and the Bad ones that just do their freaking job. But since Hammond doesn't do things for truth, he's a bad defense attorney and pretty much deserved to die, the dick.

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...and the whole forcing Yogi to plead insanity and ruining his life in the process thing.
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...and the whole forcing Yogi to plead insanity and ruining his life in the process thing.


So? A lawyer's job is to help his client. The prosecution tries to prove the defendant's guilt. That's what they're supposed to do. And if pleading (temporary) insanity was the way to help him the most, that's Hammond's way of doing his job.

The fact that such a plead destroyed Yogi's life is not the fault of Hammond at all. It's society's fault for judging that guy that way. Fuck if I understand why you would somehow judge a guy, who ended up killing someone in an absolute emergency situation and was temporarily insane, harshly that way.

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...and the whole forcing Yogi to plead insanity and ruining his life in the process thing.


So? A lawyer's job is to help his client. The prosecution tries to prove the defendant's guilt. That's what they're supposed to do. And if pleading (temporary) insanity was the way to help him the most, that's Hammond's way of doing his job.

The fact that such a plead destroyed Yogi's life is not the fault of Hammond at all. It's society's fault for judging that guy that way. Fuck if I understand why you would somehow judge a guy, who ended up killing someone in an absolute emergency situation and was temporarily insane, harshly that way.

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...and the whole forcing Yogi to plead insanity and ruining his life in the process thing.


So? A lawyer's job is to help his client. The prosecution tries to prove the defendant's guilt. That's what they're supposed to do. And if pleading (temporary) insanity was the way to help him the most, that's Hammond's way of doing his job.

The fact that such a plead destroyed Yogi's life is not the fault of Hammond at all. It's society's fault for judging that guy that way. Fuck if I understand why you would somehow judge a guy, who ended up killing someone in an absolute emergency situation and was temporarily insane, harshly that way.

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Ok let's take a step back here.

"A lawyers job is to help his client"

Do you think his actions 'helped' his client in the long term? He got a not guilty verdict sure, but at the cost of his wife and his sanity.
Of course society would judge him, it was a fake plea, it's unfair that he got the blame instead of Hammond who pretty much coerced the guy into it.

Hammond was not helpful or a particularly good lawyer at the time. I think the film portrays him even sleazier.
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Do you think his actions 'helped' his client in the long term? He got a not guilty verdict sure, but at the cost of his wife and his sanity.
Of course society would judge him, it was a fake plea, it's unfair that he got the blame instead of Hammond who pretty much coerced the guy into it.


Who says the plea was fake? Considering the flashbacks we see of DL-6, it seems very plausible and likely that Yogi was at least close to insanity or in an insane-ish state due to lack of oxygen, panic, hyperventilating and duress. Or distress. Whatever.

And his fiancée was a weakling for committing suicide because of... I don't even remember the reason. Was it before or after the trial? Because if it was before, that just proves that she wasn't just weak but also not very trusting of Yogi. If it was afterwards, well shit, she's still a weakling for committing suicide.

And I believe Yogi was displayed as being rather competent and full-body-minded when he was revealed. Sure he did that to uphold the idea of having gone temporarily insane during the murder, but exactly why he decided to keep that going for 15 years afterwards is anyone's guess. After all, it's called temporary insanity.

And as I said: it was society that judged him, making his life miserable.
Unfairly. Yes, the guy was seen by everyone as having killed a guy. But it was during an emergency state, his was insane and unless such a situation came up again, it was unlikely he was gonna kill again. They should've cut him some slack, I can't really blame an insane person for doing things that "normal" people wouldn't, any more than I can blame a baby for shitting its pants in public. *shrug* Shit comparison, but it's the first that popped into my mind.

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Do you think his actions 'helped' his client in the long term? He got a not guilty verdict sure, but at the cost of his wife and his sanity.
Of course society would judge him, it was a fake plea, it's unfair that he got the blame instead of Hammond who pretty much coerced the guy into it.


Who says the plea was fake? Considering the flashbacks we see of DL-6, it seems very plausible and likely that Yogi was at least close to insanity or in an insane-ish state due to lack of oxygen, panic, hyperventilating and duress. Or distress. Whatever.

And his fiancée was a weakling for committing suicide because of... I don't even remember the reason. Was it before or after the trial? Because if it was before, that just proves that she wasn't just weak but also not very trusting of Yogi. If it was afterwards, well shit, she's still a weakling for committing suicide.

And I believe Yogi was displayed as being rather competent and full-body-minded when he was revealed. Sure he did that to uphold the idea of having gone temporarily insane during the murder, but exactly why he decided to keep that going for 15 years afterwards is anyone's guess. After all, it's called temporary insanity.

And as I said: it was society that judged him, making his life miserable.
Unfairly. Yes, the guy was seen by everyone as having killed a guy. But it was during an emergency state, his was insane and unless such a situation came up again, it was unlikely he was gonna kill again. They should've cut him some slack, I can't really blame an insane person for doing things that "normal" people wouldn't, any more than I can blame a baby for shitting its pants in public. *shrug* Shit comparison, but it's the first that popped into my mind.

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I see what you did there. It's because it was a last ditch resort...more importantly rather it actually being true or not (though it's pretty much confirmed it is otherwise I imagine the truth of his insanity would have been noted in earlier testimony), it APPEARED fake to the public because it was the last thing they tried when they couldn't get a Not Guilty verdict. So after a long trial of losing the defendant suddenly starts showing signs of insanity? There's a long stigma tied to that 'get-out-of-jail' clause in real life nevermind when the circumstances are actually suspicious. That was what ruined his life the public opinion of him.

He had to act insane for a bit so it seemed believable, perhaps he even did a stint in an asylum for treatment (which I imagine he would hate too), he lost his job because he was deemed insane and all his friends abandoned him (shame on them). His wife cracked under all the stress and killed herself AFTER the trial.

Point is in spite of legal legislation declaring him temporarily insane and absolving him of the crime, no one in the public believed him. They saw it as a fake ploy. Furthermore there's lines from Yanni to help with this.

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Robert Hammond...he said I was mentally unsound. He told me it would make me innocent...get me off the hook. So...I pretended to have brain damage. I was innocent really!


If he had believed he was insane or was in any doubt he wouldn't have protested so much that he was innocent and didn't need such measures.

The movie clip of Yanni Yogi's confession fleshes it out a bit more and it's really good, one of the more touching moments of the movie.
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Do you think his actions 'helped' his client in the long term? He got a not guilty verdict sure, but at the cost of his wife and his sanity.
Of course society would judge him, it was a fake plea, it's unfair that he got the blame instead of Hammond who pretty much coerced the guy into it.


Who says the plea was fake? Considering the flashbacks we see of DL-6, it seems very plausible and likely that Yogi was at least close to insanity or in an insane-ish state due to lack of oxygen, panic, hyperventilating and duress. Or distress. Whatever.

And his fiancée was a weakling for committing suicide because of... I don't even remember the reason. Was it before or after the trial? Because if it was before, that just proves that she wasn't just weak but also not very trusting of Yogi. If it was afterwards, well shit, she's still a weakling for committing suicide.

And I believe Yogi was displayed as being rather competent and full-body-minded when he was revealed. Sure he did that to uphold the idea of having gone temporarily insane during the murder, but exactly why he decided to keep that going for 15 years afterwards is anyone's guess. After all, it's called temporary insanity.

And as I said: it was society that judged him, making his life miserable.
Unfairly. Yes, the guy was seen by everyone as having killed a guy. But it was during an emergency state, his was insane and unless such a situation came up again, it was unlikely he was gonna kill again. They should've cut him some slack, I can't really blame an insane person for doing things that "normal" people wouldn't, any more than I can blame a baby for shitting its pants in public. *shrug* Shit comparison, but it's the first that popped into my mind.

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So, what you're saying is, that when a mentally unstable person commits suicide they are a "weakling", but when a mentally unstable person kills someone, they are as much to blame as a baby who hasn't learned to control its bodily functions?
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So, what you're saying is, that when a mentally unstable person commits suicide they are a "weakling", but when a mentally unstable person kills someone, they are as much to blame as a baby who hasn't learned to control its bodily functions?


I never said that people who commit suicide are mentally unstable.
I said that I think that they are weak. Weakness is not a sign of instability.

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Point is in spite of legal legislation declaring him temporarily insane and absolving him of the crime, no one in the public believed him.


Well when I explained the case to my mother and I told her how stupid society is for judging him like that, she said "Society is the one that made the law" which is correct. Then again, I have told her how freaking stupid the law in AA is, too...

Then again, if I talk or think any more about DL-6 right now, I'll just go off on a rant again how silly that case is. And I already pushed the topic onto the off-track.

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I never said that people who commit suicide are mentally unstable.
I said that I think that they are weak. Weakness is not a sign of instability.


Fair enough, but I would be surprised if a large quantity of suicidal people are emotionally stable, I would say that suicidal tendencies are a huge sigh of instability. But to each their own.
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So, what you're saying is, that when a mentally unstable person commits suicide they are a "weakling", but when a mentally unstable person kills someone, they are as much to blame as a baby who hasn't learned to control its bodily functions?


I never said that people who commit suicide are mentally unstable.
I said that I think that they are weak. Weakness is not a sign of instability.

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Well when I explained the case to my mother and I told her how stupid society is for judging him like that, she said "Society is the one that made the law" which is correct. Then again, I have told her how freaking stupid the law in AA is, too...

Then again, if I talk or think any more about DL-6 right now, I'll just go off on a rant again how silly that case is. And I already pushed the topic onto the off-track.

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Sure the law in AA is by no means realistic but I think the people's reactions in that situation are accurate. It's not unheard of for folks to think less of someone for pleading insanity to escape jail, hell they've made great films about people who've done it (one flew over the cuckoos nest).

In Scotland the "Not proven" verdict has been called the "jammy bugger" verdict because they barely escape with innocence but public opinion of them is low. Mock the law in AA all you like, this isn't a matter of legal sensibility anymore.

Though Cat you might wanna keep those views on suicidal individuals to yourself, they come across quite offensive and....people contemplating suicide are particularly vulnerable to that kind of rudeness :ron:
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Mock the law in AA all you like, this isn't a matter of legal sensibility anymore.


I never said that AA is unreasonable or unbelieveable because of how the public reacted to Yogi's insanity plea. I know it happens in the regular law and society as well, I still think it's stupid. Especially if it happens in cases like Yogi's where the circumstances that caused him to kill were so rare and heavy that it'd be silly to think he'd kill again easily. (In his case, the circumstances were so out of the norm that it's hard to say, "He'd kill soon enough again!" ... if you get what I mean, my brain's turning off)

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Though Cat you might wanna keep those views on suicidal individuals to yourself, they come across quite offensive and....people contemplating suicide are particularly vulnerable to that kind of rudeness


I know. I know I'm also very bad with social talk stuff. So I generally do not talk about a subject that would cause me to talk about that.

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The only one that I would have liked to see is Apollo's BFF, Clay Terran.
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Though Cat you might wanna keep those views on suicidal individuals to yourself, they come across quite offensive and....people contemplating suicide are particularly vulnerable to that kind of rudeness :ron:


This. I'm not bashing anyone for their views, but I must confess I got a lump in my stomach, things hit too close to home for me to ignore.

So... Now I'll stop being off topic! :sahwit-2:

Jack Hammer. I would like to know more about Jack Hammer, as much as I... wasn't very fond of the Steel Samurai-case.
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This. I'm not bashing anyone for their views, but I must confess I got a lump in my stomach, things hit too close to home for me to ignore.


Hitting close to home it does with me, too. My family has people in it that committed suicide.

As for characters who were not really in the game... I kinda agree with WaitingForGodot, Jack Hammer may have been nice to meet. Although I think he would have been a bit of an ass.

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I wanted to meet with: :magnifi: , :darke: , :goodman: , :takao: , :ami: and Bruto Cadaverini.
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Candace Arme was probably pretty cool. And *sobs* Clay Terran *SOBS*
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Candace Arme was probably pretty cool. And *sobs* Clay Terran *SOBS*


Aw man yeah I'd have loved to have seen Clay Terran show up a bit more, perhaps in a flashback case eh?

Though I always thought Candice Arme's name was a pun on "Arm Candy" XP Totally missed the whole "Can Disarm" thing.
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At the top of my list would be Neil Marshall. :neil2:
I wouldn't have liked to meet Bruto Cadaverini, Bruce Goodman, Celeste Inpax and Juan Corrida though.
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