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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Pretty much, in a lot of words. It's the cost of hubris and his ultimate downfall. Regardless of whether or not he really knew why he would succumb to hate, he firmly believed that he did it all for selfish reasons and that he was an evil, evil man. Who knows? Perhaps under those locks are the depths of his personal despair that he abandoned long ago, and thus refused to show any sign of regret at his actions.
I don't think he did it because he knew he was evil, just that he know it would greatly benefit him and, since he has mental instability, it slowly convinced him that it's the true thing to do, as if he suffers through disassociation. Really, it's like when the Jury was going to render a verdict: he started blurting that commoners cannot interfere with the law, but since he does everything to his favor, he saw it as that: the law is absolute. It's as if the little devil on his hand is guiding him while he responds.
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Long ago, Kristoph may have been a good brother that Klavier could respect. Then, he got caught up in something and changed for the worse. It's a good reason why Klavier became a prosecutor at all, since his brother was a defense attorney, and they planned to meet in court. Sad story and stuff.
Yeah, something must have happened with Kristoph that messed up his mentality badly.
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P.S. Kristoph is not coming back, people need to realize that and get over it.
Dude, you're missing out on the most grandiose recovery this series can possibly ever make. He's not yet a lost cause, but he is hanging off the edge with a noose around his neck. He's also the only other villain since Gant to be taken down by the power of the law itself. Even if he doesn't show up in-person at any time, he could at least get a mention of some sort.
I've already briefly described how he could help tie the overlying plots of GS4 and 5 with a connection other than this superficial "Dark Age of Law". He doesn't have to show up in person in a future game for that to happen; just a mention.
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I don't think he did it because he knew he was evil, just that he know it would greatly benefit him and, since he has mental instability, it slowly convinced him that it's the true thing to do, as if he suffers through disassociation.
Hey, I'm just paraphrasing him. He did say it himself. :p
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Hey, I'm just paraphrasing him. He did say it himself. :p
Could you quote that, please? I mean Kristoph.
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Um, sorry, I'm not Rubia Sile Ryu, but... quote.
Kristoph:
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Kristoph:
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Warp wrote:
P.S. Kristoph is not coming back, people need to realize that and get over it.
You seem mighty sure of that. Did you speak to Capcom recently?
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Um, sorry, I'm not Rubia Sile Ryu, but... quote.
Kristoph:
I killed a man named "Smith"
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an evil human being.
Kristoph:
I killed a man named "Smith"
with a bottle because I am
an evil human being.
This still makes me laugh every time I see it.
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It's one of his intro lines after being called back into court in 4-4. He even complained about leaving the peace in his own cell.
He's obviously plotting something big, guys. I just know it.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
It's one of his intro lines after being called back into court in 4-4. He even complained about leaving the peace in his own cell.
I perceive he said he murdered one Shadi Smith because repercussions would have fallen on him if he outright admitted to murdering Enigmar, aka, Zak Gramarye because, hello, he was his former attorney, so if he killed him, people could deduce that he had something to hide concerning the case.
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He's obviously plotting something big, guys. I just know it.
Kristoph could be this generation's Morgan Fey: he'll raise hell even in prison. He seems like the type of man with deadly connections, the sort of corrupt attorney that defends mafia big boss and politicians.
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Scent wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
It's one of his intro lines after being called back into court in 4-4. He even complained about leaving the peace in his own cell.
I perceive he said he murdered one Shadi Smith because repercussions would have fallen on him if he outright admitted to murdering Enigmar, aka, Zak Gramarye because, hello, he was his former attorney, so if he killed him, people could deduce that he had something to hide concerning the case.
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
He's obviously plotting something big, guys. I just know it.
Kristoph could be this generation's Morgan Fey: he'll raise hell even in prison. He seems like the type of man with deadly connections, the sort of corrupt attorney that defends mafia big boss and politicians.
I would like to see something like that, but who knows, maybe it's all the oposite, I seriously think that Kristoph has something to show us.
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Spoiler: DD Spoilers
Tagged for ya, just in case. :v
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, I feel like she could bring a lot more to t he next game. Also it kinda would be interesting if Juniper Woods became a Judge and she oversaw Apollo's cases...I think the possible dialogue would be hilarious.Also I would like to see Godot return
even though it may be very very unlikely.
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Honestly what I would like is if they bring back Franziska Von Karma , I feel like she could bring a lot more to t he next game.
, I feel like she could bring a lot more to t he next game.Spoiler: HEAVY DD Spoilers
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Also it kinda would be interesting if Juniper Woods became a Judge and she oversaw Apollo's cases...I think the possible dialogue would be hilarious.
I would like to react to this, but I have no solid opinion on Juniper presiding a case, however, I do admit she could very well be this generation's Larry Butz: that goodhearted friend whom's always in trouble.
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Also I would like to see Godot return even though it may be very very unlikely.
even though it may be very very unlikely.No, I don't think he'll return.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Warp wrote:
P.S. Kristoph is not coming back, people need to realize that and get over it.
Dude, you're missing out on the most grandiose recovery this series can possibly ever make. He's not yet a lost cause, but he is hanging off the edge with a noose around his neck. He's also the only other villain since Gant to be taken down by the power of the law itself. Even if he doesn't show up in-person at any time, he could at least get a mention of some sort.
I've already briefly described how he could help tie the overlying plots of GS4 and 5 with a connection other than this superficial "Dark Age of Law". He doesn't have to show up in person in a future game for that to happen; just a mention.
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I don't think he did it because he knew he was evil, just that he know it would greatly benefit him and, since he has mental instability, it slowly convinced him that it's the true thing to do, as if he suffers through disassociation.
Hey, I'm just paraphrasing him. He did say it himself. :p
Why would he come back? He doesn't need to. His story is over and done with. If anything, those plot lines will be picked up by a new villain. There's never been a returning vililan, and I don't see there would be now. Mention, maybe, as long as it's just a throwaway line.
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TheIdioteque wrote:
Warp wrote:
P.S. Kristoph is not coming back, people need to realize that and get over it.
You seem mighty sure of that. Did you speak to Capcom recently?
Read my other post. He is done and gone, good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Warp wrote:
There's never been a returning vililan, and I don't see there would be now.
Well...
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Warp wrote:
There's never been a returning vililan, and I don't see there would be now.
Well...
Spoiler: T&T
This, and like I've said countless times: Kristoph is a man with many connections, so it's possible he can pull a couple of strings here and there to do some damage to Wrigth & Co.
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Warp wrote:
There's never been a returning vililan, and I don't see there would be now.
Well...
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Exactly.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Warp wrote:
There's never been a returning vililan, and I don't see there would be now.
Well...
Spoiler: T&T
Exactly.
He grudge towards the main Fey branch was still alive even in prison, could be the same for Kristoph and the Wright and Gramarye families.
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Or more of the brain behind that whole case.
I have to admit, Morgan was one of the best mastermind villains in the series. As much as I hate her, it's because she's an evil, evil person, but not a bad character at all.
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Morgan was more of a Cameo, with Dahlia being the real main villain. I can see something like that maybe. But who's to say the same couldn't be done for somebody like Gant, Engarde, or One of the AAI villians? if you are gonna play like that, any villain could return.
Maybe for a GK game.
Said villain needs a major role in the upcoming plot conspiracies of GS6. Even if one villain has the means and the motive, they don't necessarily have the opportunity. The only ones I can even consider who can and would get revenge on Wright & co. are Engarde, Tigre, and Kristoph. However, the previous two each already have someone out to kill them or may have been killed by them. Kristoph, on the other hand, never had his life directly threatened; he's been incredibly paranoid, but still had a few "friends" to back him up in case. It explains the lavish jail cell he lived in.
It is possible that he received a death sentence after being found guilty of attempted serial murder, but we could say the same for any villain, then.
Besides, I'd like to know who these friends of Kristoph are. Heck, maybe Klavier arranged that fancy cell for his bro, whether he wanted to or not. I heard they were close up until Klav decided to leave Kris to rot. Ooh, ooh! Klavier for next final victim!
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Warp wrote:
Morgan was more of a Cameo, with Dahlia being the real main villain. I can see something like that maybe. But who's to say the same couldn't be done for somebody like Gant, Engarde, or One of the AAI villians? if you are gonna play like that, any villain could return.
I just had an idea:
Kristoph can be the brains (Morgan) and Valante the one putting the action (Dahlia). They BOTH hate the Wright and Gramarye family, so they could make some sort of plan.
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Gammalad wrote:
Honestly what I would like is if they bring back Franziska Von Karma , I feel like she could bring a lot more to t he next game. Also it kinda would be interesting if Juniper Woods became a Judge and she oversaw Apollo's cases...I think the possible dialogue would be hilarious.
Also I would like to see Godot return even though it may be very very unlikely.
, I feel like she could bring a lot more to t he next game. Also it kinda would be interesting if Juniper Woods became a Judge and she oversaw Apollo's cases...I think the possible dialogue would be hilarious.Also I would like to see Godot return
even though it may be very very unlikely.Polly being whipped, please.
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I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
How would that work? He's a serial killer? Psychopath? Sociopath? I think that would have worked more in AAI where law enforcers are tied to the smuggling ring.
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Maybe for all we know Ace Attorney 6 will be a longer and more expansive game than Dual Destinies.
DD practically had four cases (not counting DLC episode).
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I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
Yes, it would be, but that sounds like territory for the GK games, not the GS ones. Remember why Phoenix was even dragged into the UR-1 case and its tertiaries in the first place? It's thanks to the guy who called him and helped get his badge back. It's perfectly fine for Edgeworth to touch on these kinds of incidents, but it's a problem with Phoenix just because he's a defense attorney. The lack of authority in the field is always a hurdle to overcome.
Of course, Phoenix is a guy with great connections. He could pull something from behind the scenes and rig up another jurist test trial; and this time, capture a corrupt judge for the world to see. Then, he could finally have the excuse to make the Jurist System official. This judge doesn't have to be the killer or even the person who hired an assassin to be called "corrupt". He just needs to be willingly involved in a deal with the killer and is actively trying to keep said killer off the hook. It'd certainly make a grand ending to a game, or even the series.
The problem is, what happens before then? Well, we should first make it known who this corrupt justice (or chief justice?) is, and we meet this person a few times in the courthouse previously, for some preferably good reason. It wouldn't do to have a judge revealed to be corrupt before we've even gotten to know the person. Next, this character needs to have an accomplice who is also someone with connections, who could still be in good standing or otherwise. This better ensures that if someone is caught to be tied to a conspiracy, they won't just come out after a little pressure and have a backup plan installed in case things get sticky.
Spoiler: GK2-2
That said, a lot of these ideas listed here work just as well, or even better, for a GK game.
Edit: Oh, and I almost forgot my most important point: let's have some references to Liar Liar. It will be golden.
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My hopes for another von Karma... I don't think I will ever have them fulfilled.
Oh God please no, no more von Karmas. We've had enough with the father, daughter and adopted son. What I approve is, like stated many times, a Franziska comeback.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Warp wrote:
I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
Yes, it would be, but that sounds like territory for the GK games, not the GS ones. Remember why Phoenix was even dragged into the UR-1 case and its tertiaries in the first place? It's thanks to the guy who called him and helped get his badge back. It's perfectly fine for Edgeworth to touch on these kinds of incidents, but it's a problem with Phoenix just because he's a defense attorney. The lack of authority in the field is always a hurdle to overcome.
Of course, Phoenix is a guy with great connections. He could pull something from behind the scenes and rig up another jurist test trial; and this time, capture a corrupt judge for the world to see. Then, he could finally have the excuse to make the Jurist System official. This judge doesn't have to be the killer or even the person who hired an assassin to be called "corrupt". He just needs to be willingly involved in a deal with the killer and is actively trying to keep said killer off the hook. It'd certainly make a grand ending to a game, or even the series.
The problem is, what happens before then? Well, we should first make it known who this corrupt justice (or chief justice?) is, and we meet this person a few times in the courthouse previously, for some preferably good reason. It wouldn't do to have a judge revealed to be corrupt before we've even gotten to know the person. Next, this character needs to have an accomplice who is also someone with connections, who could still be in good standing or otherwise. This better ensures that if someone is caught to be tied to a conspiracy, they won't just come out after a little pressure and have a backup plan installed in case things get sticky.
Spoiler: GK2-2
That said, a lot of these ideas listed here work just as well, or even better, for a GK game.
Edit: Oh, and I almost forgot my most important point: let's have some references to Liar Liar. It will be golden.
I agree with what you said about the judge, but I do want it main series, I am sure it could work. As for the accomplish, THERE would be a place to bring back Kristoph, as long as he stays minor, like Morgan. Also, please let them come up with something other than the "3rd person rule" , that is getting old.
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I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
How would that work? He's a serial killer? Psychopath? Sociopath? I think that would have worked more in AAI where law enforcers are tied to the smuggling ring.
Actually, a serial killer judge sounds amazing. He could have gotten away with it so long because he's a judge, so he can declare others guilty. Or on that note, how about a bad guy with multiple personality disorder? He could even be your client, but his alternate personality is the killer.
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An another daughter older than Franziska, who has her own child, Manfred's granddaughter with a dog named Phoenix. She is 16/17 in DD
I think that was just a lie, knowing VK.
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Warp wrote:
I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
How would that work? He's a serial killer? Psychopath? Sociopath? I think that would have worked more in AAI where law enforcers are tied to the smuggling ring.
Actually, a serial killer judge sounds amazing. He could have gotten away with it so long because he's a judge, so he can declare others guilty. Or on that note, how about a bad guy with multiple personality disorder? He could even be your client, but his alternate personality is the killer.
I don't see that working tbh.......
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Warp wrote:
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Warp wrote:
I'd still rather see somebody else behind it. If you're talking about powerful villains, then a judge villain would be new and interesting.
How would that work? He's a serial killer? Psychopath? Sociopath? I think that would have worked more in AAI where law enforcers are tied to the smuggling ring.
Actually, a serial killer judge sounds amazing. He could have gotten away with it so long because he's a judge, so he can declare others guilty. Or on that note, how about a bad guy with multiple personality disorder? He could even be your client, but his alternate personality is the killer.
If anyone could get away with killing someone(s), it'd be an assassin like de Killer. He has yet to be captured.
If the client is guilty either way, I'd wonder why Phoenix or whoever is defending the client wouldn't just drop the case after confirming through investigation that their client is indeed guilty.
Also, you may want to avoid multi-posting, especially when you can just edit your posts. Forum courtesy and easier on the readers.
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1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
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