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Warp wrote:
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An another daughter older than Franziska, who has her own child, Manfred's granddaughter with a dog named Phoenix. She is 16/17 in DD

I think that was just a lie, knowing VK.

It wasn't. Fanbooks don't lie.
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Do we really need more von Karma? I think GS1, GS2, GK1 and GK2 handled that perfectly fine.
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Do we really need more von Karma? I think GS1, GS2, GK1 and GK2 handled that perfectly fine.

I wouldn't mind seeing Franziska again :franny: I would love to see how Athena and Apollo would react to her in court.
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Do we really need more von Karma? I think GS1, GS2, GK1 and GK2 handled that perfectly fine.

I wouldn't mind seeing Franziska again :franny: I would love to see how Athena and Apollo would react to her in court.

Although that would be pretty interesting to see, I'd rather she'd stick to investigations.
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Actually, if they have a new prosecutor, I'd be he'd turn out to be Apollo's dad or something.

Apollo's dad is DEAD. What if the prosecutor was ROBIN? That would be hilarious.
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Gammalad wrote:
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Do we really need more von Karma? I think GS1, GS2, GK1 and GK2 handled that perfectly fine.

I wouldn't mind seeing Franziska again :franny: I would love to see how Athena and Apollo would react to her in court.

I can imagine this conversation with Athena and Franny:
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Athena: Witness, your emotions clearly contradict- *gets whipped* EEEK!
von Karma: Do I look like I care? Foolishly foolish fools who foolishly use such foolish techniques... How do the witness's emotions relate to the case at hand? In fact, I think YOUR emotions contradict you... Ms. Athena Cykes!
Athena: (Don't you dare pull the last name basis on me.)

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Apollo's dad is DEAD.

According to the same people that thought Thalassa Gramarye, Apollo's mother, was dead: Zak and Valant Gramarye? Pfft, please, you know as well as the rest as the fandom that it wouldn't be the first time in the series that an alleged "dead" character actually survived from a thread of hope or got out from a coma. Maybe Apollo's dad was someone tailing Magnifi, I mean, look at his face, it doesn't radiate "I do magic tricks for an honest living", maybe he had ties to the mafia or something, or a smuggling ring, seeing as how the series is taking a direction towards more serious tones such as contraband, smuggling, corruption and such. Heck, they started with that in 4-3 with the Chief of Justice going as far as to buy a smuggled item from Borginia just to cure his son.

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What if the prosecutor was ROBIN? That would be hilarious.

Y'know, GS6's tutorial case could run like this:

Juniper's the judge; O'Conner's the defense, Robin's the prosecution, Phoenix is the victim, Apollo's the true culprit and Athena's the defendant. A TRUE mockup trial.

By the way, your von Karma conversation was pretty accurate. xD
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aplab23207 wrote:
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Do we really need more von Karma? I think GS1, GS2, GK1 and GK2 handled that perfectly fine.

I wouldn't mind seeing Franziska again :franny: I would love to see how Athena and Apollo would react to her in court.

I can imagine this conversation with Athena and Franny:
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Athena: Witness, your emotions clearly contradict- *gets whipped* EEEK!
von Karma: Do I look like I care? Foolishly foolish fools who foolishly use such foolish techniques... How do the witness's emotions relate to the case at hand? In fact, I think YOUR emotions contradict you... Ms. Athena Cykes!
Athena: (Don't you dare pull the last name basis on me.)


That is so accurate it hurts XD
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Actually, if they have a new prosecutor, I'd be he'd turn out to be Apollo's dad or something.

Apollo's dad is DEAD. What if the prosecutor was ROBIN? That would be hilarious.


Jesus Christ, how many times do I have to tell people--

CLAY TERRAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APOLLO'S DAD ORIGINALLY. THEY WERE PLANNING ON USING APOLLO'S DAD AS THE MAIN PLOT. source = AA5 Official Fanbook in the concept designs of Apollo and Clay

So Apollo's dad as a prosecutor is the most likely probability we have so far.
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Actually, if they have a new prosecutor, I'd be he'd turn out to be Apollo's dad or something.

Apollo's dad is DEAD. What if the prosecutor was ROBIN? That would be hilarious.


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CLAY TERRAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APOLLO'S DAD ORIGINALLY. THEY WERE PLANNING ON USING APOLLO'S DAD AS THE MAIN PLOT. source = AA5 Official Fanbook in the concept designs of Apollo and Clay

So Apollo's dad as a prosecutor is the most likely probability we have so far.

Why specifically as a prosecutor, though?
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Oh sorry, i'm still new, and what about a prosectutor or judge with MPD instead?

Also, I think Appollo's dad is dead, and I am sure VK was lying about his other kid.
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Oh sorry, i'm still new, and what about a prosectutor or judge with MPD instead?

Also, I think Appollo's dad is dead, and I am sure VK was lying about his other kid.


I think it was established that Fransika has an older sister
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Hmmm, I would like to know more about the past of Apollo, I want to know how did he reach the Kristoph's agency.
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Why specifically as a prosecutor, though?


They always introduce a new prosecutor for each game, so it'd be killing two birds with one stone.
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Scent wrote:
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What if the prosecutor was ROBIN? That would be hilarious.

Y'know, GS6's tutorial case could run like this:

Juniper's the judge; O'Conner's the defense, Robin's the prosecution, Phoenix is the victim, Apollo's the true culprit and Athena's the defendant. A TRUE mockup trial.

And the assault weapon is a fire extinguisher.

Still, Mia was the only exception to the rule that the tutorial cases feature the protagonist at work. For O'Connor to head the defense - that is, we get to play as him - it wouldn't quite work out if it's not his name on the title. He doesn't have a strong connection, via plot or otherwise, to the Wright Anything Agency outside of that recent case. This could work as a DLC case, however, if Capcom ever plans for something like it.

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So Apollo's dad as a prosecutor is the most likely probability we have so far.

Far from it. Starring a completely new character for prosecutor is much more likely than switching a long-term missing background character - who has been assumed to be dead, even if he isn't - from his original career as a magician and to one as a lawyer. I have no problems with magician-lawyers or magician-detectives, but there's at least gotta be some hint or foreshadowing of his dad's reappearance.
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Except... not really? There was no foreshadowing to Godot, yet he held a strong connection to Mia.

Don't think there was much foreshadowing to Franziska either, yet there she was with a strong connection to Edgeworth and Manfred.
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Except yes really. It's one thing to introduce a new character that somehow ties into the plot; it's another to reintroduce a character assumed to be dead. Besides, GS1-3 were each written independently. It's impressive that Takumi could piece them together as well as he did. GS5, on the other hand, has been written with a sequel expected. It's obvious from watching the credits, namely the points where there's a bit of hinting at future events.

I'm not saying there's no chance he'll make it in, but it's not the most likely scenario.
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Maybe Franziska's sister is Apollo's father?

Mind = blown.
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You have to wonder though, will they tie Apollo's father to that stage act incident or give him an entirely new background?
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Maybe Franziska's sister is Apollo's father?

Mind = blown.

Maybe AJ Phoenix was Manfred von Karma all along!?
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Sligneris wrote:
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Maybe Franziska's sister is Apollo's father?

Mind = blown.

Maybe AJ Phoenix was Manfred von Karma all along!?

Maybe Taka is actually the Creator keep a VERY close watch on all of us... '_'
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Scent wrote:
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Maybe Franziska's sister is Apollo's father?

Mind = blown.

Maybe AJ Phoenix was Manfred von Karma all along!?

Maybe Taka is actually the Creator keep a VERY close watch on all of us... '_'

You know that feeling, after you think about it for a bit... you realize none of these are impossible? The third one being the most plausible.

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You have to wonder though, will they tie Apollo's father to that stage act incident or give him an entirely new background?

Apparently they have a new background for him (or her? dammit Thane). Nothing shown in the concept art actually stated his father to return as a magician or whatever... only that the guy was in Egypt for some reason and brought Apollo a souvenir or something... and then died, again.

I now like the suggestions in this thread much more.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
only that the guy was in Egypt for some reason and brought Apollo a souvenir or something... and then died, again.

oh lol was it wrong for me to laugh at this? xDD Someone needs to contact Hiimdaisy and tell hell to do a comic strip based on this. *snort* xP

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I did a little something-something. *snort* Beware, it has DD spoilers:

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Except yes really. It's one thing to introduce a new character that somehow ties into the plot; it's another to reintroduce a character assumed to be dead. Besides, GS1-3 were each written independently. It's impressive that Takumi could piece them together as well as he did. GS5, on the other hand, has been written with a sequel expected. It's obvious from watching the credits, namely the points where there's a bit of hinting at future events.

I'm not saying there's no chance he'll make it in, but it's not the most likely scenario.

They already did that with Misty Fey. Although they did kill her off immediately.

Besides, I'm kind of wondering how they'll do a tutorial case. Every game has a justification for the tutorial. In 1-1 and 4-1, it was the protagonist's first case. In 2-1 it was amnesia. In 3-1 and 5-1 it was their first case in a while, so they were given a refresher by another character. In GK1-1, it was the protagonist explaining it to another character. They have to have some sort of justification for it. Or, better yet, just have it be a drop down window with no in universe connection, like they do in No More Heroes.
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Except yes really. It's one thing to introduce a new character that somehow ties into the plot; it's another to reintroduce a character assumed to be dead. Besides, GS1-3 were each written independently. It's impressive that Takumi could piece them together as well as he did. GS5, on the other hand, has been written with a sequel expected. It's obvious from watching the credits, namely the points where there's a bit of hinting at future events.

I'm not saying there's no chance he'll make it in, but it's not the most likely scenario.

They already did that with Misty Fey. Although they did kill her off immediately.

Besides, I'm kind of wondering how they'll do a tutorial case. Every game has a justification for the tutorial. In 1-1 and 4-1, it was the protagonist's first case. In 2-1 it was amnesia. In 3-1 and 5-1 it was their first case in a while, so they were given a refresher by another character. In GK1-1, it was the protagonist explaining it to another character. They have to have some sort of justification for it. Or, better yet, just have it be a drop down window with no in universe connection, like they do in No More Heroes.

Like I suggested, the tutorial case could be handled by Hugh O'Conner, Robin Newman and Juniper Woods as a TRUE mock trial with Phoenix Wright being the victim, Athena Cykes the defendant and Apollo Justice the TRUE murderer. Heck, they could even throw in Dick Gumshoe as the homicide detective, or even Ema Skye! xDD
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I'd say it would be cooler if the first half of the case, where it gives you the tutorial, was a mock trial and you played as Hugh, then someone actually dies, and the second half makes you play as Phoenix. It would be boring if there weren't anything at stake in the trial, there has to be some consequence for failure, which is what makes things interesting!
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Nah, I don't really want the whole 5-3 cast to appear again out of nowhere, to be honest... They were good characters, true, but every game needs fresh material. And bringing three supporting characters from just a previous game feels kinda wrong. Maybe I would be okay with seeing some Juniper, but really, not much more from that case.

Somehow, I want a spin-off, when you play as Mia Fey before the events of AA. With Lana as a main prosecutor for the game. But she would need an interesting story that could be resolved and that was somehow connected to SL-9, with Lana being somewhat cold and all that, but, of course, without spoiling 1-5...
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The word you're looking for isn't spin off, it's prequel. If it has the exact same gameplay style, and connects to the main plot of the series, it's no more of a spinoff than GS4! I think a prequel might be a good idea for a game, but if they do have a game that takes place after GS5, they need to have a justification for the tutorial, or as I said before, simply have it as a drop down box with no in universe explanation for it. I don't want to see Gaspen Payne returning, I want Winston back for the tutorial, Gaspen was, as Athena said, an arrogant jerk, and a shameless copy of his brother. I mean, come on, Rookie Humiliator? Are you trying to make the connection as unsubtle as possible?
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Nah, it would share the gameplay, but I don't really see it connecting in any major way to the main storyline...
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I did a little something-something. *snort* Beware, it has DD spoilers:

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I laughed more than I expected to. Nice art.

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They already did that with Misty Fey. Although they did kill her off immediately.

She was only declared to be "missing" not dead.

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Somehow, I want a spin-off, when you play as Mia Fey before the events of AA. With Lana as a main prosecutor for the game.

She was a detective before becoming Chief Prosecutor, so if we do ever get a prequel, seeing Lana on the job as a detective would be interesting. The problem then comes with just how captivating this separate story would be if it has no relation to the current storyline. It'd be like a spin-off game in essence. While it doesn't have to be completely disconnected, it could feel a bit clunky if there turned out to be yet another "solved" case that comes back to haunt the present. In this case, though, it'd be past the statute of limitations. We already have a case featuring that problem anyway: GK2-3.

Enough with the flashback cases, anyhow. It's a trope that has become a bit too, dare I say it, trite.
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I'd say it would be cooler if the first half of the case, where it gives you the tutorial, was a mock trial and you played as Hugh, then someone actually dies, and the second half makes you play as Phoenix. It would be boring if there weren't anything at stake in the trial, there has to be some consequence for failure, which is what makes things interesting!

Brilliant idea. :]

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Nah, I don't really want the whole 5-3 cast to appear again out of nowhere, to be honest... They were good characters, true, but every game needs fresh material. And bringing three supporting characters from just a previous game feels kinda wrong. Maybe I would be okay with seeing some Juniper, but really, not much more from that case.

Every game except GK1 has done the concept of bringing characters back well, and by now, we should assume Juniper's going to make a comeback, seeing as how she should be to Athena what Larry was to Nick, lol.

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Somehow, I want a spin-off, when you play as Mia Fey before the events of AA. With Lana as a main prosecutor for the game. But she would need an interesting story that could be resolved and that was somehow connected to SL-9, with Lana being somewhat cold and all that, but, of course, without spoiling 1-5...

I don't think Capcom will dwelve more in the past, let's leave that for fan projects.

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I don't want to see Gaspen Payne returning, I want Winston back for the tutorial, Gaspen was, as Athena said, an arrogant jerk, and a shameless copy of his brother. I mean, come on, Rookie Humiliator? Are you trying to make the connection as unsubtle as possible?

I could care less if Gaspen or Winston make a comeback or not. All I want is the other prosecutors to have more exposition.

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I laughed more than I expected to. Nice art.

lol thanks I tried to imitate Hiimdaisy's humor as much as I could. And yeah, I like how Papa-Pollo and Apollo turned out to be. Phoenix just looks like he has one of those hats that come with hair. xDD

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I laughed more than I expected to. Nice art.

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They already did that with Misty Fey. Although they did kill her off immediately.

She was only declared to be "missing" not dead.

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Somehow, I want a spin-off, when you play as Mia Fey before the events of AA. With Lana as a main prosecutor for the game.

She was a detective before becoming Chief Prosecutor, so if we do ever get a prequel, seeing Lana on the job as a detective would be interesting. The problem then comes with just how captivating this separate story would be if it has no relation to the current storyline. It'd be like a spin-off game in essence. While it doesn't have to be completely disconnected, it could feel a bit clunky if there turned out to be yet another "solved" case that comes back to haunt the present. In this case, though, it'd be past the statute of limitations. We already have a case featuring that problem anyway: GK2-3.

Enough with the flashback cases, anyhow. It's a trope that has become a bit too, dare I say it, trite.

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I don't wanna play as Hughs, thank you very much. ):
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I don't wanna play as Hughs, thank you very much. ):

But, but...! D: Imagine his objection pose, it would consist of readying his bow & arrow! DD: Or his take that: he shoots the evidence at someone with an arrow! DDD: I think it would be pretty awesome if they did all of this! xD
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I don't care about Hugh being a playable character or Robin being a prosecutor, I just wanna see Juniper as a judge. It irritates me how we've had so many Prosecutors, with a new one each game, yet we've only had 2 judges, the second of which only presided over 1 and a half trials. Don't get me wrong, I like Udgey, I just want to have some more variety, it would be a breath of fresh air.
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I don't care about Hugh being a playable character or Robin being a prosecutor, I just wanna see Juniper as a judge. It irritates me how we've had so many Prosecutors, with a new one each game, yet we've only had 2 judges, the second of which only presided over 1 and a half trials. Don't get me wrong, I like Udgey, I just want to have some more variety, it would be a breath of fresh air.

The Canadian judge, with a more pronounced accent would be a fresh breath of air, eh?
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Yeah, I kinda liked him, but like I said, he only appeared in 1 and a half cases. The rest were of the normal judge. I'd much rather have more variety than just 2 freakin' judges. In fact, I think it would be neat if they had a different main judge in each game, like they do with the prosecutors. I wanna have Juniper be the judge for not just one case, but the whole game. I'd also like to see the judges get their own phrase to be yelled in red text, maybe OVERRULED, like the female judge from GK2.
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I think gavel does just fine.
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Heh, maybe you're right about the gavel being fine, but I'd still love to see Juniper as a judge for the whole game, to give a breath of fresh air, and add another judge, so we go from 2 to 3.
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I think the designers leave the same judge we all know and love because of that: we all love him. Sure, he's an incompetent and scatterbrained airhead, but that's the thing: he's malleable. Whoever takes control of the courtroom controls the judge, as in, will render the verdict. This is a game series where the we play as the defense attorney and our main rival is the person behind the prosecution's bench, so the game has to be portrayed in a way so that everyone gets it: you, the defense attorney, are the hero, while the prosecutor is the villain, the one pulling the strings, hence, Manfred von Karma being the ultimate enemy of case four of the first game. Of course, prosecutors roles have changed since Franziska, but their role is still the same: to corner the defense with any means possible.
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He has strange case of wise airhead, by the way.
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