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Re: GS6 Ideas

Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:27 am

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He has strange case of wise airhead, by the way.

Yeah, he has his moments (albeit limited). :basil:

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Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:09 pm

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The courtroom in GS4 had a very special atmosphere to it that really suited this "dark age of the law". I want it back.

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Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:38 pm

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The courtroom in GS4 had a very special atmosphere to it that really suited this "dark age of the law". I want it back.

Spoiler: GS4 & 5 Spoilers

Yep. You, the protagonist, had to defend a disbarred bigshot attorney you yourself admired and was the main reason you even became a defense attorney in the first place. Then you, Apollo Justice, had to convict your very own mentor and another well known attorney and reveal a dark facet of his (through a forged piece of evidence that you later realize it was actually a forgery and punch the man you once admired). Case two comes, its revolved around mafia rivalry and malpractice (which the leading prosecutor being your former mentor's brother and the lead detective someone that dreamed big, but literally dropped and fell hard into the ground). Later, case three happens and you have to try and defend a blind defendant and later a minor from the murder of an Interpol agent. Lastly, your dearly convicted mentor set a time bomb seven years ago that decides to explode now and into the wrong person (though he still had an insurance). You have to solve that case AND relive the same case that disbarred your idol and convict your former mentor twice and see him lose it over a new way to practice the law. There's also how, knowingly, Phoenix puts Thalassa Gramarye on the jury, though this can be remedied with the fact that she didn't remember, he kinda bent his own rules.

In summation:
A lot of darker things happen in GS4's courtroom than in GS5's.

I mean, sure, a bomb explodes in a courtroom and someone gets killed after, then there's a legal academy teaching corrupt ways and an erroneously convicted prosecutor that can prosecute, the "ultimate" contradiction. I really think GS5 all did was complement GS4's dark atmosphere, hell, even GS4's soundtrack reeks of Dark Age, just listen to some of the Reminiscence tracks. Really, GS5's characters are better than GS4's, but the latter's atmosphere and pacing is better than GS5's, even though that game was marketed as the one that had the Dark Age of Law in it.

But looking back now, GS4's atmosphere reeks of Dark Age, while GS5 personified these, as in: a hypocrite detective claiming that his motivation is driven exclusively by justice (Bobby Fulbright), a defense attorney that will do anything to get an acquittal for his client (Aristotle Mean) and a convicted prosecutor running the show (Simon Blackquill). And there we have it, folkes, all three main pillars of the courts corrupted: defense bench, prosecution bench and witness stand.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:20 am

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I'd like to see more "dark" elements in the game. I'd personally like to see Apollo get accused of murder. He's the only main character who's never been a defendant, so I'd like to see that happen.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:24 am

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Or what if Athena and Apollo had a similar backstory:

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:51 am

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That would be actually pretty pointless.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:53 am

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That would be actually pretty pointless.

It's possible that Athena hid the truth from him. Kinda like the case with

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:02 am

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While I like the idea, I don't think it is something to be actually mentioned in the official games... And you know, neither of them recognized each other. Bringing this up right now from nowhere wouldn't fit too well.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:09 am

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Agreed, it wouldn't be necessary.

I like that Apollo's kinda so different from Athena and Phoenix. In a way, he's the complete opposite of them.

His back story does not relate to his corresponding prosecutor.
His mentor had completely different ideals.
He's never been accused of murder.
His best friend is dead.

etc.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:10 pm

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I would kind of like to see Athena as a prosecutor. Like, if the first case was her last as a defense attorney and then she moves over to the prosecution to take on "the dark age of the law" from another angle. I can see her teaming up with Simon, and being eager to compete with Apollo (or Phoenix) in court, competitive as she is, and then co-operating with Simon, Apollo and Phoenix to get to the bottom of

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:35 pm

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^ I guess that would be one way of clearing up the whole Mary-Sue issue, since she'd no longer be on "our" side, but then it would be like giving the wrong finger in the face of her background and everything up to this point. If she had been Blacky's apprentice all that time instead, she certainly would have given this game a whole new twist.

But that's beside the point. Why has there been no Leeroy Jeekins reference in GS5? There were plenty of spots to give it, given how ~~hyped~~ hyper Athena always is.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:09 pm

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Meh. I don't think I will never accept an idea that involves recycling already established characters into game's main rivals.

And, I don't seem to view her being on the player's side a problem.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:57 pm

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I'd much rather see a completely new character be the prosecutor in GS6. Every game's main prosecutor up to this point was introduced in their respective games, and I see no reason to change that. Every game except for GS4 also has a "guest" prosecutor for the final case; in 1-4 it's Von Karma, in 2-4 and 5-4 it's Edgeworth, and in 3-4 it's Franziska. I'd personally like to see Klavier as a guest prosecutor in GS6, his appearance in GS5 seems like he was just thrown in as an afterthought, and you never actually get to face him. Despite this, he still appeared in a huge amount of promotional material as if he was a major character, which is kinda false advertising.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:46 pm

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Wasn't Edgeworth in 3-4, 5-5 and Franziska in 3-5? ^^;

And I agree about new story, and new prosecutors. The game would quickly start being just boring if we continued to dwell all the time on the same matter, around the same criminal and with the same characters having their own courtroom drama all the time, eventually switching sides. It might be done from time to time, but it would be a bad decision to focus only on that.

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:22 pm

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Sligneris wrote:

And, I don't seem to view her being on the player's side a problem.

I admit the Athena's Character thread has been over-saturated with conjecture, so I'll just leave a brief reminder here.

The core problem is that she has so many unnecessary attributes to her character such that placing her on "our" side is like adding training wheels onto a bike ridden by a stunt biker. As a new character, she's meant to add a fresh personality to the cast, and she does it right. However, as an assistant role, Widget does much better a job bringing up the Court Record on the top screen. This is intentional; she's supposed to show that she has many flaws and constantly needs help, despite having access to such a powerful tool. However, this essentially slows down the progress in a case whenever she stumbles and is helped back up.

If she were on the other side, she wouldn't be "our" problem; she'd be Blacky's problem. Of course, it wouldn't fit his character to spend time babysitting her any more than he already had. And so, the only other course is to have her join the defense. ~~Phoenix, for someone who doesn't like pets, you sure know how to pick up a lot of stray teens.~~

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:46 pm

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Well, I doubt it's gonna happen anyway, as she is tightly connected to Wright & Co. now and I do not see any reason being there for her to leave. ^^;

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:25 pm

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Sligneris wrote:

Wasn't Edgeworth in 3-4, 5-5 and Franziska in 3-5? ^^;

And I agree about new story, and new prosecutors. The game would quickly start being just boring if we continued to dwell all the time on the same matter, around the same criminal and with the same characters having their own courtroom drama all the time, eventually switching sides. It might be done from time to time, but it would be a bad decision to focus only on that.

Oops, sorry. I just derped. I assumed that every 4th case was the final one. Sorry 'bout that.

I agree that we need some more new characters. And I don't get why people call Athena a Mary Sue. Isn't the definition of a Mary Sue a character with no flaws? Athena has flaws; she goes into BSOD mode whenever something happens to trigger a flashback, she can get a bit reckless at times, and she often has trouble hiding what she's thinking due to widget!

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:01 am

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Well, that was discussed in special Athena thread. But I agree. She has flaws, she often speaks up a bit too fast without thinking, which gets her in a lot of trouble, even if it isn't the player who screwed up (like presenting wrong evidence, for example)

I heard complaints about the plot resolving too much around her, which sounds just silly to me, considering she is, well... one of the main characters, one of the protagonists in the game

...That's enough Athena from me. Oh, one more thing.

To be honest, seeing GS4 and GS5 grouped together I can't help but to feel Athena is going to be the next to appear on the cover and the title. That would sort of create the Wright Anything Agency Trilogy.

...I just kind of can't think of which side would her silhouette be facing.

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Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:45 am

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Hmmm, well, all I can say about Athena, is that she is almost the same as Maya, Trucy or Kay, I didn't say Ema because she had an adult behavior from very young.

Speaking about characters, all I want from the creators is an entire new plot of characters, with the same protagonists obiously, and maybe a new one, I was also thinking on a new story type:

Spoiler:

About prosecutors, I would like the change of the system of their appearances, not adding just one, they could add two or even more, here is an example:

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:02 am

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Sligneris wrote:

What is that exactly??

And a Mary-Sue isn't necessarily someone who has no flaws. They can come in a variety of flavors. I think Athena gets the Mary-Sue accusation because a lot of the plot revolves around her and the characters are constantly praising her more than they are chiding her.

Though it's not to say she is a Mary-Sue because once you've played the game through, everything makes sense. But it's very easy for her to fall into that trap.

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Sligneris wrote:

To be honest, seeing GS4 and GS5 grouped together I can't help but to feel Athena is going to be the next to appear on the cover and the title. That would sort of create the Wright Anything Agency Trilogy.

...I just kind of can't think of which side would her silhouette be facing.

To the Wright side, obviously.

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Sligneris wrote:

What is that exactly??

The Piano Music Book for GS4 & 5. Vol. 1 was the GS1-3 book.

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Hmmm, well, all I can say about Athena, is that she is almost the same as Maya, Trucy or Kay, I didn't say Ema because she had an adult behavior from very young.

...*cough*...

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Just how much more pointing does this court need!? It's already terrifying enough that the defense could poke someone's eye out!

...Btw, that should be an actual line in the script of a following game.

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No thanks. It'd be a bit too Payneful for me to stand if all the new prosecutors each only get one case.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:37 pm

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I am 1000% sure that Godot is dead, guys.

He was pictured up with Mia Fey and Misty Fey at the end of the game.

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Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:41 pm

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I am 1000% sure that Godot is dead, guys.

He was pictured up with Mia Fey and Misty Fey at the end of the game.

I don't trust Larry's drawing to tell me if someone is dead or not.
But I really don't care if he's dead or not. We don't need to know more about him.

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Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:28 pm

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I am 100% sure he isn't dead.

Equally as sure he won't appear again.

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Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:54 am

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I am sure that Godot will be mentioned in a future game, perhaps remembered by Maya.

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BachBreaker wrote:

I am sure that Godot will be mentioned in a future game, perhaps remembered by Maya.

Um... Why are you so sure, to be precise? On what exactly are you basing your... "hope"?

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I am sure that Godot will be mentioned in a future game, perhaps remembered by Maya.

Um... Why are you so sure, to be precise? On what exactly are you basing your... "hope"?

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Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:35 pm

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I am sure Narumitsu is going to be canon in GS6 and Kristoph will turn out to be Phantom all along in the canon, and he will be back as a final villain.

...I suppose it's quite a similar statement.

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Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:37 pm

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Although there's a difference between making a groundless assumption and acting silly just for the sake of acting silly.

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Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:09 pm

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Why do you meaaaan, acting siillyyy? You meant it won't happeeen? Maaaaaaaaaaaan! :larry:

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Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:10 pm

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Hmph. Sorry to burst you bubble, Larry. :edgeworth:

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Well, I'm just as sure that Phoenix will be the first victim in the next game and come back through Maya. So, we get to play as two people at once. Isn't that amazing?

Oh, wait, there's a really big problem with that: Pearl will be devastated because Nick and Maya won't ever get to be married. We can't let that happen.

The best solution: turn back the clock 4 minutes into the past to figure out how to prevent Phoenix's death... and subsequent deaths... because he's for some reason tackling a government conspiracy... in Edgey's place... for Apollo, um, I mean Fulbright, no, I mean justice... yeah.

Few can deny that this will be the best GT/GS crossover ever.

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Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:56 am

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...And that would still be main series?

~~Funny is that I honestly thought something like that about GS5, making Athena Lynne's cousin. Man, wasn't I foolish xD~~

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Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:30 am

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Fuck the Professor Layton and Ace Attorney crossover.

Ghost Trick and Ace Attorney cross over please. I need Apollo and Yomiel in the same place, please.

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Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:14 pm

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I don't think crosssovers can be thought of as part of the main series. While I admit that a Ghost Trick crosssover would be cool, it wouldn't be any more a part of the main series than PWvsPL.

I would like to see a lawyer named Sue. Come on, you know the series loves its puns, I'm surprised they didn't do it already.

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Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:03 pm

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What are you guys talking about, Nick could totally work as a ghost. He doesn't need permission to investigate, and he can travel through time to change history. Instant win guaranteed.

Or, you know, we could always have a case with someone who thinks they're a ghost. Makes for fuuun times, I tell ya.

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Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:22 pm

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Huh... I actually don't want Hugh and Robin to re-appear. Not that I don't like them, but, as I said bringing back whole 5-3 cast doesn't sound that appealing to me. Not to mention he's just about to take the Academy's entrance exam, so he has at least 5 years ahead of him, before he actually becomes a lawyer.

Man, that must be a shame. Becoming a lawyer at 30 while now surrounded by 18-years old prodigies.

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That's what makes him a genius in his own way.

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That would work for a DLC.

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