We're trying to tack a lot of meaning onto a scene which has no dialogue.
I didn't take his dancing better to mean he didn't want to bump into other people. After he bumped into people and they glared at him, being the proud lion he is, I always thought he was like "That's it I'll show them" and then actually started trying to dance just to show them up.

As for Rinoa, sure she's annoying, but you can always let her float off into space 5 or 6 times by accident totally intentionally to make up for it.

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That is deeply disappointing, yes. It certainly makes the issue a lot less nuanced, though.

Traditions have to change with the times; if that's the case, there needs to be a serious overhaul of the character. There can still be something to fill the role, but... maybe not that.

GYAAH!
SPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERS!!

HAVEN'T FINISHED THE GAME, GUYS!

Well, I feel that since Rinoa is cute and bubbly and Squall being a...stone, would make for interesting chemistry between the characters.


Opposites attract.


Anyway, I think the reason that she switches from Squall to Seifer is:

...and because of what Squall said to her on the broadcast tower.

Well, her waving her finger in someone's face is kinda like waving your hand to check if they're sleeping. Not rude, but can be annoying.

Anyway, Game's fun, Story's great, Characters are nice. It's fun.

It's pretty much the classic "energetic and in-your-face girl gets the stoic and detached guy to open up" kind of romance. I'll grant that I have nothing against Rinoa as a character, but her relationship with Squall definitely strikes me as at least a bit forced. It's rare for me to buy into the whole "opposites attract" approach; most pairings that make use of it strike me as forced, unstable, or both. It can be done well and in a believable manner, but in my experience, and from my perspective, it's a rare occurrence.

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Some of them do share things and make me think that a relationship between them would work out. I haven't fully played it, but Tales of Destiny 2 has Kyle and Riala... granted, the romance begins somewhat because he sees her and she's looking for a hero and he WANTS to be a hero. But things do go on - and I think Destiny 2 is the only Tales Of currently that has a somewhat heavy emphasis on romance.
Okay, there is the total disregard of things happening, as the ending shows, but that's spoiler.
But hey it's more believeable than Luke and Tear in Tales of the Abyss!

C-A

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Irvine and Selphie on the other hand is a much better romance...or even Zell and Librarian girl!

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Yeah, that relation was so forced that it bugged the hell out of me too.

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OmG! OmG! OmG! Somebody, other than my husband, who shares my view on the LukexTear thing!

Yeah, that thing was so forced - not to mention it was pretty much forced down our throats for two-thirds of the game. It literally started as soon as Luke cuts his hair. And no, Luke cutting his hair is not a spoiler for the localized version because it had short-haired Luke on the cover and in the manual labelled as Luke fon Fabre As soon as he cuts his hair, Tear becomes more the Nice Girl, rather than the Cool Soldier Woman she was before with the obligatory "Likes Cute Things" personality trait, which I am sure was only put in to make her seem more appealing to guys.

Every scene between Luke and Tear I see is so forced. It feels fake, it's silly. Why the hell is Luke not having all these giant, important discussions with someone else in the party? Why not with Anise - okay, I ship LukexAnise, but I still think that those scenes would work with her.
As pointed out after the events during the second trip to the Zaleho Volcano, Anise and Luke have similar experience, he knows how she feels and understands her and why she did things. That is so much better of a basis to start on than just "Hey, I'm the student taught by that brother of yours that you want to kill"
And if it can not be a woman, why not talk with Guy?
After all, Guy is Luke's best friend. He has been with him since he was a young, he has practically raised him and they trust each other so much that Guy chooses to stick with Luke, despite all the trouble he caused or the truth about him!

Not to mention that terrible scene at the doctor's office in Velkende! You know, where we learn the plot device of Tear being ill. Luke decides to not leave her alone, although she is obviously breaking down and just wants to have a good cry. Granted, Luke is socially awkward. But back off, man! Sometimes, people want to be left the fuck alone. Leave her alone, let her cry and everything will be fine!

You know, I don't think I would have such a big problem with those two if the scenes didn't feel so forced and if they actually got past that "I'm so awkward around you, I will protect you-Wait, no, I did not mean it like that" phase. This is shoujo crap that I have to deal with in manga, I do not want to have to deal with that stuff in my Tales Of games!

As for "Opposites Attract" couples, I guess they can work, if it is done well. Like the characters are capable of compromises between each other or realize that they do have some similar interests, despite the majority of things being so opposite with each other.

By the way, I seem to be rather "mean" to the Critic today...
Must be because I'm still thinking of his Sailor Moon 'review' and how terrible it was. Also, I'm currently watching his review of Eight Crazy Nights and I have yet to see what the terrible thing about that movie is. Yeah, the story is kinda not-there, but the art and animation makes up for that it, it looks great.

C-A

PS: That "Hu's on First" routine is NOT funny!

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Tear whether in soldier woman or cute girl persona is annoying either way.

Soldier woman is never an interesting character unless they have 'fire'.

Hell Soldier man counts too, the only interesting soldiers are the ones that are enthusiastic and passionate.

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I thought Tear was fine. Well that may be because I played the Undubbed version of the game, and Yukana voiced a warmer/cuter Tear than whoever did the English voice.

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I think my main problem with Tear is that she feels like a Canon Sue.
I mean, think about it.
Her brother is the antagonist, meaning she is the only other character who has an emotional connection to him - Okay, Guy was his master, but that is such a by-note, you easily forget that there is a relationship between those two as well.
The awesome Yulie Yue is her ancestor...
She has big boobs. Yes, I think this is a sign of a Canon Sue. Other Tales Of women had big boobs, but they didn't have the other things I list here, so they are not on the Canon Sue path.
She is the only one who can use the awesome, superstrong Hymns, which are essential to stopping her brother.
She's also supposedly superstrong, although we see her break down in tears.
She has a long, giant, probably meaningful name: Mystearica Aura. Just... say that and it sounds incredibly Mary Sue-ish. Especially with Aura in it. And I know that it's also technically Vendesdelca Musto Fende and Gailardia Garlan Gardios, but those don't sound overly special.



Oh the English voice wasn't that good, indeed. Yukana did a good job, her voice was deep, but it had a high note to it - to show that Tear was actually 16 and not a 20-whatever woman, the way her English voice made her sound. I like Yukana's voice... well, except when Tear seems to overreact or become hysteric and her voice cracks. Oooh that just makes my eardrums bleed...

C-A

PS: I randomly looked at the date and realized it's Friday the 13th... Huh.

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Wow, that one comment opened up something fierce didn't it?

Although I wouldn't call Tear my favourite character whatsoever, I had more problems with Luke's character though.

He's whiny, childish, annoying, rude and just a total dick overall. Now this wouldn't be such a problem seeing his background, he's spoiled and doesn't know better etc. However, he changes so little during the course of the story. Of course at the end of the game he tries to better himself (no real spoiler because this happens in pretty much all JRPG's), but he remains a douche through the end, although a little less of a douche.
Another thing is that this change takes so long to occur. You have to drag this little bag of angst with you for so long that when he starts trying to change it will be already to late.
I just can't seem to shake my negative outlook on this guy.

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S'why you kick him and Tear from the party and run with everyone else.

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Warning! Post will contain mentions of spoilers in Tales of the Abyss!



He changes little? I disagree, I think Luke changes a ton in Abyss.
Indeed, Luke starts out as a little spoiled brat that whines over things, but as said, his upbringing and environment made him into that. Even if there are moments I find cringeworthy because it's just common sense to not do things, but him doing it is understandable. He has no idea how the outside world works, all he knew was his mansion.

And overall, I do not think Luke was that terrible a person in the beginning, either. Yeah he was spoiled and whiny, but in a way that it's understandable. It wasn't until he was named Ambassador and he got that proposal proposition from Mr Idolized Van that Luke became downright unbearable. It's obvious that the title of Ambassador is going to his head, but I think it's Van's words that made him hurry so much.
And this is just where Luke pisses me off. Between leaving Vaticule and getting to Akzeruth, Luke is just an unpleasant person. Screw whatever understandable spoilish behavior or jerk ideas he had beforehand, now he's just this little dickcheese that wants to reach Akzeruth so he can elope run off with Van and live happily ever after in freedom.

Now, some things I still understand. Like the detour of the Zao Ruins and, when reaching Deo Pass, Luke mentions how they "shouldn't have wasted time in the desert" because Ion was never in any actual danger. And you know what? He's right! Ion was not in danger, the God Generals were not gonna hurt Ion, he was still necessary - as demonstrated by the creation of Florian, later in the story.

And this is where Abyss failed for me.
They obviously wanted the player to absolutely hate Luke at that point and changed his behavior from understandable to annoying, just to get us to hate him. Why? So that when he fucked up and destroyed Akzeruth, we would bitch at him just like the whole fucking party does at that point.
And they failed for me.
I see past the annoying behavior - by the way, seeing past it does not mean that I tolerate his dick behavior at the Deo Pass - I see why Luke acted the way he did and I fucking blame the party a whole lot fucking more than him!
Here's my reason why.

Yes. Luke screwed up and destroyed Akzeruth.
But nobody actually told him properly to not do what Van told him to do. For one, he adores Van. Yeah, it would have been really hard to get him to distrust Van, that guy was his mentor, his idol, a father figure and good friend, next to Guy. But they could've tried.
Not that I think it would have worked.
Check out what the party is made up of.
Tear, an annoying chick who obviously has issues with her brother and wants him dead, so obviously Luke would not listen if she told him anything bad about Van. Jade, a general from the opposing Kingdom that kidnapped Luke as a child and is a sarcastic dick who makes fun of him. Natalia, annoying childhood friend who bugs him about a childhood proposal that he doesn't remember. Anise, a little girl who wants his jock. And Ion, who has the spine of a cooked noodle.
The closest person he may listen to is Guy, but Guy can't hold a candle to Van.
So I can see why they think talking to him, telling him that he maybe should take Van's words with a grain of salt or not be so gullible, may not have worked. But if they had at least tried, you could say that they at least tried to talk to him, instead of letting him run into the open knife.

I blame the whole party for Akzeruth's destruction, not just Luke! Especially Jade, because he knew for a long time that Luke was a replica, he could've told him that - he may not have listened, maybe shake him up enough and get Luke to worry about something else than just how to catch up to Van.
Then again, at least Guy and Natalia somewhat blame themselves for "letting" Luke grow up the way he did.

Where was I?
Oh yes, Luke changing.

Yes, Luke did the obligatory cutting his hair, changing his appearance and trying to better himself. And I think he did do a good job at showing how he wants to change. He wants to change, but he has no real idea how. One thing he does is, he doesn't kill. Any soldier you fight, Luke mentions to have just knocked unconscious - understandable, it's pretty traumatizing the first time you kill someone. And he is changing by helping people a lot more than he originally did.

Of course, during the 3rd Arc of the game, he does become depressed and he has that inferiority complex towards Asch, but I don't blame him for that. He sees himself as a copy, a usurper and he doesn't know his own place. His first idea was to sacrifice himself and let Asch regain his position as Luke von Fabre, but that backfires.
Nice thing is that the Duke mentions his two sons, Asch and Luke, which is just adorable and heartwarming. Granted, there are moments later on where Luke shows that he has accepted himself as a person, that he has his place now and all that. He accepts himself and realizes that he doesn't need the acceptance of Van to live.

So... yeah, it takes Luke a long time to get to be the fully changed person he wanted to be, but at least he manages it. When I compare Luke to Lloyd, I just realize that Lloyd is a hypocrite. Everybody has a right to live and yet he kills things left and right, showing no real remorse.

C-A

PS: Long wall of text, I know. But that Akzeruth thing just pisses me off, when people blame Luke for it. He was just a puppet that did as, literally, his Master told him to. You can't blame him for that, especially considering his upbringing.

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I see AA is getting alot of lime light around the manga community :P

Wow, hopefully it'll get popular enough that western made media will have references to it. All the references to GS I've seen are either from Japanese works or on the internet. I'd really like to see it get popular enough over here that western media will reference it. Hipsters would stop playing the games, as it would be too mainstream, but nobody likes hipsters, anyways.

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What manga is that from?



I think that would be so cool, but it's still rather an obscure series over here. Still, I think it's one of the most parodied and referenced video games on the internet and in anime. I just seems to be everywhere. No matter where I look, there's an Ace Attorney reference. Like the monkey in my signature.

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It's from this recent manga I noticed while looking through latest updates on mangahere. It's called "SAENAI KANOJO NO SODATEKATA - EGOISTIC-LILY"
I agree with the amount of references of AA everywhere and even in animes. Would be nice if there was way more western praise for it. Hopefully DD will make that happen.

I wish! I think if that were to happen, though, it would have already. Maybe GS is more culturally relevant in Japan, but I'm still jealous! Gyakuten Meets Orchestra! A musical! A movie!

It's rare for Japanese media that isn't marketable to kids to become a big thing in Western culture, unfortunately. An anime would probably give it a popularity surge (anime adaptations seem to do that for manga series, anyway), but... who knows if that'll ever happen.

And if we don't even get physical releases of the games, it's unlikely to get much of a popularity surge over here through marketing/exposure.

... Oh well. I still have hope for PWvsPL. One day, dimentio. We'll get there one day.

Hell I don't care if it has to be absurdly popular over here, so long as it's made into an Anime that can be subbed in Japan I'd settle for that.

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I agree, I feel that it can easily be made into a anime that can even be based on the whole series. Only thing would be finding the right voice actors or maybe even using the original japanese voice actors.

I hate to be *that* guy, but would y'all mind hiding spoilers appropriately?

Since FFVIII came out on Steam recently, there may be people picking it up who never played it before. Plus, I'm currently playing Tales of the Abyss myself, so...

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There nothing wrong with being that guy because everyone should respect each other just like they want to be respected.

Saw these cute pins on Etsy and wanna know if I should get them? there $3

If we were to get an Ace Attorney Anime, would you want it to follow the cases in the games, or would you want it to have new cases and storylines (Like the manga). I personally would like to have it be mostly based off of the games while occasionally having new cases/plots that weren't in the games.

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I'm with you! I'd definitely be more invested in it if it was the existing storyline animated, plus some filler stuff. The manga isn't bad, but it suffers from being constrained to a timeline and not being able to write in big plot events.

... Plus, I want people to be able to make fanvideos for the events of the first three games. Let's be honest, that's my main reason.

@SDK - They are pretty cute! If you want the buttons, go get some buttons.

Only if they do something about the plot holes or giant mistakes in the cases...

I woke up and have these lyrics in my head, but I can't remember what song they are from!
I think Hanatan sang it... is it Perfect Crime?

C-A

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Yeah, the manga cases ain't half bad, if you can get past the fact the majority of them are 'locked room' murders but some filler in there along with the big 'plot arcs' would make it run pretty smoothly.


Also hell yeah get those badges, I'd love some more Fulbright ones.

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Bought a mechanical keyboard recently and I'm so satisfied. The clicking noise is like symphonies to my ears. To bad I didn't buy one with blue switches though to get more clicking noise.

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I will then. I gotta see if they sell them as a back or individually or $3 each.

Note to self: Never work at a fast-food restaurant anymore.
Because... When you are working fast, they ask you to do it faster.
Then you do it faster.
Three minutes later, they ask you to do it faster again.
Then you do it faster.
Five minutes later, they ask you to do it faster.
Then you do it faster. Again.
Ten minutes later, they ask you to do it faster.
Then you die.
And they ask you to do it faster... Then you resign.

If everyone thought this way, society itself would crumble.

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Not really crumble but have less obesity in the world

Man you can resign after death?

That's a tough company, makes me wonder what work they have your corpse do.

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Isn't it obvious, they add your corpse to the food

Found the perfect gif of how I feel when people vote for Republican president.

Gah... YouTube's in a bad mood. Uploads get estimated at around five hours, and I've had enough failed uploads to know better than to trust the site to upload without any problems when it's taking that long.

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The internet explorer on my computer isn't working for some reason, so I have to use my Wii U's internet. It's weird, my steam account on my computer can hook up to the internet, but my actual web browser can't. It's confusing, and I wonder what caused it.

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Tried restarting the router? I have some similar problems with my internet that the browser can't load any pages but other web applications are still working. Restarting the router usually helps me in those cases.

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I tried using Google Chrome, and it works like a charm. It's only the internet explorer that failed. I wonder what caused the problem.....

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