Re: Missing links and animations (and a "few" rants)
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That said, some of the things you've pointed out with the AAI sprites (like Franziska not bobbing while bowing) are that way because that's how they're stored in the game data. Invertigo provided us with a direct rip of the sprites - they weren't captured from emulators like some of the older sprites. Unfortunately that means that some effects which are stored separately from the actual sprites don't get carried over to the rips we have here.
And while I do appreciate your taking the time to go through and point out these issues, the snark isn't really necessary, and is particularly disrespectful towards Invertigo's hard work on AAI.
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I believe the resolution issues should still be fixed though. These definitely weren't that way in the game data as files in game data doesn't use extra transparency field at all as far as my knowledge about it goes. And the fact that resolution is causing trouble is visible, for example, here. Sure, it was fan video and creator should have fix that himself, but it was exactly that problem that caused it in the first place...
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http://www.court-records.net/CharactersAA5.html
if you click on phoenix's face to go to the original characters it don't work cause it links to
file:///C:/Users/Croik/Documents/CourtRecords/site%20files/Characters.htm
((at least for me it don't))
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bignickdigger wrote:
not sure if this was posted already but
http://www.court-records.net/CharactersAA5.html
if you click on phoenix's face to go to the original characters it don't work cause it links to
file:///C:/Users/Croik/Documents/CourtRecords/site%20files/Characters.htm
((at least for me it don't))
http://www.court-records.net/CharactersAA5.html
if you click on phoenix's face to go to the original characters it don't work cause it links to
file:///C:/Users/Croik/Documents/CourtRecords/site%20files/Characters.htm
((at least for me it don't))
Same here...
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I too don't appreciate the snarkyness.
Do consider a bunch of these stuff was ripped with tools/methods at a time where DS ripping was beginning to take a good hold right around the time the graphics/sound files were ripped from the DS versions of the AA games. It's obvious the results haven't been perfected, but considering how much effort was put into the process of getting almost EVERYTHING out of the AA games in terms of assets (that numerous authors/developers alike have relied upon), CR and the actual individuals who took on that project did a damn great job. Your criticisms act as though they were lazy with the effort due to the mistakes you point out to the OP, when really, these are a lot of minor points (although yes, we shouldn't avoid NOT improving them if it's clear that there is room for improvement).
Also, they may have zipped the HD sprites and displayed poses in a specific manner (stills) to you know, cut down on bandwidth costs...It's very expensive running a site Slig, especially one as big as CR. It's even more expensive serving up all that cache to visitors who refer to the media page frequently.
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(Though the support is appreciated!)Slig, as I said above, this isn't my area of the site (in fact, for disclosure: I don't have direct access to the main C-R site, I'm almost entirely a forum admin), and while I appreciate the drive for perfection, I think we really start to hit the point of diminishing returns.
In the case of these sprites, you can see that it's a side-effect of whatever method Invertigo used to create the GIFs during his ripping process. As you might have noticed already (I'm not sure where you got the colors for your corrected version, so maybe you hadn't), while the animations have some slight dithering and color issues, the spritesheets are color-accurate.
If you really want to take the time to re-animate all the animations - well, that's your prerogative, but I think most of the fandom is pretty fine with the animations we have now (and I don't think this issue is present on the AJ or AAI sprites - and I'm not even sure it applies to all the original trilogy sprites!) But even if you do decide to do this, I can't guarantee they'd be added to the site in a timely manner, sorry.
(Also, as far as I know the HD sprites are zips to help cut down on bandwidth; HD Phoenix's animations are about 18 MB vs. his normal ones being about 1.5 MB. You'll notice for Edgeworth's HD GIF page we use thumbnails with links to the full resolution to avoid getting hit for all the bandwidth at once, but those pages take relatively longer to make and seem to have fallen by the wayside.)
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My problem is that your method creates a new palette when converting from direct color to paletted color. There is no guarantee what so ever that the new palette will use the same indexes as any other palette.
Btw, feel free to drop by on irc, you sound like it would be fun to discuss the internal details of the graphics in the games with.
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Sligneris wrote:
I work on them with Gimp. I make palettes (colors in palette are generated automatically) of specific characters and their poses from the [img]sheet[/img]. Then I open gifs with same program, convert them to RGB and then back to Indexed, using palette from the sheet.
It works perfectly and the only exception so far was Phoenix's zoom sprite, where I basically copy-pasted from the sheet.
And I'm totally not overusing "from the sheet" phrase.
It works perfectly and the only exception so far was Phoenix's zoom sprite, where I basically copy-pasted from the sheet.
And I'm totally not overusing "from the sheet" phrase.
Your method is not based on original data from the games as henke pointed out. I'd take your claim of accuracy with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to the flawed .gif format.
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Slig, as I said above, this isn't my area of the site (in fact, for disclosure: I don't have direct access to the main C-R site, I'm almost entirely a forum admin), and while I appreciate the drive for perfection, I think we really start to hit the point of diminishing returns.
In the case of these sprites, you can see that it's a side-effect of whatever method Invertigo used to create the GIFs during his ripping process. As you might have noticed already (I'm not sure where you got the colors for your corrected version, so maybe you hadn't), while the animations have some slight dithering and color issues, the spritesheets are color-accurate.
If you really want to take the time to re-animate all the animations - well, that's your prerogative, but I think most of the fandom is pretty fine with the animations we have now (and I don't think this issue is present on the AJ or AAI sprites - and I'm not even sure it applies to all the original trilogy sprites!) But even if you do decide to do this, I can't guarantee they'd be added to the site in a timely manner, sorry.
(Also, as far as I know the HD sprites are zips to help cut down on bandwidth; HD Phoenix's animations are about 18 MB vs. his normal ones being about 1.5 MB. You'll notice for Edgeworth's HD GIF page we use thumbnails with links to the full resolution to avoid getting hit for all the bandwidth at once, but those pages take relatively longer to make and seem to have fallen by the wayside.)
(Though the support is appreciated!)Slig, as I said above, this isn't my area of the site (in fact, for disclosure: I don't have direct access to the main C-R site, I'm almost entirely a forum admin), and while I appreciate the drive for perfection, I think we really start to hit the point of diminishing returns.
In the case of these sprites, you can see that it's a side-effect of whatever method Invertigo used to create the GIFs during his ripping process. As you might have noticed already (I'm not sure where you got the colors for your corrected version, so maybe you hadn't), while the animations have some slight dithering and color issues, the spritesheets are color-accurate.
If you really want to take the time to re-animate all the animations - well, that's your prerogative, but I think most of the fandom is pretty fine with the animations we have now (and I don't think this issue is present on the AJ or AAI sprites - and I'm not even sure it applies to all the original trilogy sprites!) But even if you do decide to do this, I can't guarantee they'd be added to the site in a timely manner, sorry.
(Also, as far as I know the HD sprites are zips to help cut down on bandwidth; HD Phoenix's animations are about 18 MB vs. his normal ones being about 1.5 MB. You'll notice for Edgeworth's HD GIF page we use thumbnails with links to the full resolution to avoid getting hit for all the bandwidth at once, but those pages take relatively longer to make and seem to have fallen by the wayside.)
My apologies, since this is not the first time Slig's made this kind of criticism (in the manner that he did on his OP) before. It gets annoying after awhile when there's an easy explanation behind why the quality is the way they are (if it's even an issue to begin with).
People would care more about wanting to improve these things if you'd approach it in a manner that isn't condescending to the original undertaking put in to acquire all these resources in the beginning. I'm all for improving/refining things to get better, since looking at your versions, they look more vibrant. The question is however, is it worth your personal time to pursue this endeavor? Unless there's horrible animation (or lack of) going on, I don't think anyone is going to be bothered about color issues (which is only apparent when making explicit side-by-side comparisons...not when using them for an actual game)
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Sligneris wrote:
Reading back at that... "Accidently disrespectful" fits me all too well.
That's why I don't go for, "Disrespectful"
I go for "Deliberate Dickhead"
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That's why I don't go for, "Disrespectful"
I go for "Deliberate Dickhead"
I go for "Deliberate Dickhead"
That's why your dates always end by the second hour.
You only have yourself to blame.
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DoMaya wrote:
That's why I don't go for, "Disrespectful"
I go for "Deliberate Dickhead"
I go for "Deliberate Dickhead"
That's why your dates always end by the second hour.
You only have yourself to blame.
By then I've already gotten what I wanted anyways!
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Sligneris wrote:
...Whoa o_o
Why is that one not on the site?
Yeah, why not? And everywhere else on the internet. It's pure deliciousness.
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Also, I was wondering, how were the graphics like photos, court record icons, etc. ripped from Dual Destinies? And why there are so little court record and background rips from HD trilody?
Those are probably screenshots, no less. As for the second question... Maybe it's because the lack of good software to capture the iPhone screen?
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I have all the graphics rips from HD trilogy. But it's not worth my time sharing/uploading them, since I felt CR was/is still on top of that.
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It would be also really useful if someone could screen-cap all of these DD animations...
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I still need to go back and finish capping DD's evidence one of these days...
(Not to mention PLvsAA stuff; I have the prologue case done but nothing else.)HD resources were ripped by Wooster, I believe, but I could be mistaken. I've pinged him about it; if it turns out we don't have the other HD resources, those rips might actually be really useful, Huddini.
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Bolt Storm wrote:
DD screens/profiles/evidence are created by cropping screenshots from a capture card. As far as I know, there's no good setup for ripping graphics from 3DS games at the moment. Capturing DD animations this way is essentially impossible, as there's no way to remove the backgrounds/textbox. The best that can be done is catching all the poses with still screenshots, and even then there's likely to be a textbox over the animation.
I still need to go back and finish capping DD's evidence one of these days... (Not to mention PLvsAA stuff; I have the prologue case done but nothing else.)
HD resources were ripped by Wooster, I believe, but I could be mistaken. I've pinged him about it; if it turns out we don't have the other HD resources, those rips might actually be really useful, Huddini.
I still need to go back and finish capping DD's evidence one of these days...
(Not to mention PLvsAA stuff; I have the prologue case done but nothing else.)HD resources were ripped by Wooster, I believe, but I could be mistaken. I've pinged him about it; if it turns out we don't have the other HD resources, those rips might actually be really useful, Huddini.
When Professor Layton Vs. Phoenix Wright releases, will there be sections in CR for it like characters, screenshots, animations, etc?
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Actually, to give a status update on PLvsAA stuff (spoiler tagged because it doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand, no actual PLvsAA spoilers):
Spoiler: PLvsAA updates
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Bolt Storm wrote:
DD screens/profiles/evidence are created by cropping screenshots from a capture card. As far as I know, there's no good setup for ripping graphics from 3DS games at the moment. Capturing DD animations this way is essentially impossible, as there's no way to remove the backgrounds/textbox. The best that can be done is catching all the poses with still screenshots, and even then there's likely to be a textbox over the animation.
I still need to go back and finish capping DD's evidence one of these days... (Not to mention PLvsAA stuff; I have the prologue case done but nothing else.)
HD resources were ripped by Wooster, I believe, but I could be mistaken. I've pinged him about it; if it turns out we don't have the other HD resources, those rips might actually be really useful, Huddini.
I still need to go back and finish capping DD's evidence one of these days...
(Not to mention PLvsAA stuff; I have the prologue case done but nothing else.)HD resources were ripped by Wooster, I believe, but I could be mistaken. I've pinged him about it; if it turns out we don't have the other HD resources, those rips might actually be really useful, Huddini.
I'll gladly share the to CR, but seeing as the HD sprites are/were up, I assumed he was going to get around to the rest (or that they are already upped, just not displayed yet).
I know im not the only one who has all the available HD graphics rips, but if it comes down to it, ill upload a rar file to share with one of the staff temporarily so yall can get the things sorted out,if no one beats me the punch.
Screencapping isn't easy to do on the 3Ds, because the hacking scene still hasnt advanced forward to make ripping process better.
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Sligneris wrote:
Why is it such a problem to just submit them in this thread? I mean, it's not like this isn't just official material, right?
My time is precious. This thread isn't useful either because you assume it's a simple matter of fixing timings and organizing poses.
And the guy that worked with Wooster to get the HD sprites has much props. The way the sprites were compiled for iOS is a completely garbled mess. I don't know how he was able to manually replicate the poses like how it was seen in-game. That certainly took a lot of man-hours to accomplish.
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Huddini wrote:
And the guy that worked with Wooster to get the HD sprites has much props. The way the sprites were compiled for iOS is a completely garbled mess. I don't know how he was able to manually replicate the poses like how it was seen in-game. That certainly took a lot of man-hours to accomplish.
Actually the biggest part of the work was figuring out the format of the animation data; then piecing together the frames and making the gifs was done automatically.
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What else did you provide wooster aside from the HD sprites? I thought you covered the evidence/bg's/ui as well?
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I found the bedrock texture from Minecraft ^ω^
Okay, that was pretty stupid. What is that, though?
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