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I'd personally like to see a villain that's an actual serial killer. A killer that has no motive for killing, they just kill because they enjoy killing. That would create a villain that's truly terrifying, as the characters would have no idea who would be the killer's next victim.
Unless this killer has a justifiable reason for going insane, I don't buy it. Motive isn't the strongest aspect to a case, but it still adds plenty of flavor. Alternatively, we could play with the concept - believing that a certain suspect is clinically insane, but actually isn't. It's the moment when you realize there's actually some sense behind a supposedly unexplainable serial killing that gives it that much more impact.
I anxiously await the next game's "crisis" theme. These themes are some of the ones I never have to worry about how they'll turn out.
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But yeah, these are really some amazing themes, that greatly fit the situation when things get serious. I was surprised it didn't play during Case 1 of Dual Destinies when the villain threatened to set the bomb off...
Although I noticed that as great of the game T&T was, it kinda did bad job at reintroducing JFA stuff - five Psyche-Locks had less impact than ever, so did JFA's Investigation ~ Core theme and "Hotline of Fate" was reused, even though it didn't fit game's Pursuit anymore...
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
I'd personally like to see a villain that's an actual serial killer. A killer that has no motive for killing, they just kill because they enjoy killing. That would create a villain that's truly terrifying, as the characters would have no idea who would be the killer's next victim.
Unless this killer has a justifiable reason for going insane, I don't buy it. Motive isn't the strongest aspect to a case, but it still adds plenty of flavor. Alternatively, we could play with the concept - believing that a certain suspect is clinically insane, but actually isn't. It's the moment when you realize there's actually some sense behind a supposedly unexplainable serial killing that gives it that much more impact.
I anxiously await the next game's "crisis" theme. These themes are some of the ones I never have to worry about how they'll turn out.
Real serial killers don't need any reason for going insane, they just are. It would add more realism. Real serial killers are not considered legally "insane", as they know what they are doing and plan out their killings. They just kill because they're evil. I want to see a truly evil villain, someone who's like a real life serial killer.
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Nah, random killings über alles (now that was something I'd never thought I would say in my entire life).
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GoingforMiles wrote:
I'd love to track down a serial killer. I'd prefer if the victims were just chosen at random, but one thing I thought of was if the killer would have some sort of pattern (yeah, I watched a little too much Criminal minds a couple of years ago) which the player should figure out. And naturally they'd come to the conclusion that someone in the Agency (or Maya) was the next target Nah, random killings über alles (now that was something I'd never thought I would say in my entire life).
Nah, random killings über alles (now that was something I'd never thought I would say in my entire life).Serial killers tend to have a calling card pattern or riddle they leave behind. So it's very possible for Maya to be targeted before a murder. Knowing Phoenix he would panic...
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Yeah, it's mostly Maya-as-a-target I'm worried about, even though it'd be groundbreakingly new.
They wouldn't kill her off...(Please don't kill her off!)
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dimentiorules wrote:
Real serial killers don't need any reason for going insane, they just are. It would add more realism. Real serial killers are not considered legally "insane", as they know what they are doing and plan out their killings. They just kill because they're evil. I want to see a truly evil villain, someone who's like a real life serial killer.
I know a psychopath isn't considered legally insane, but that wasn't what I meant. And I've tired of killers without much motive beside being evil for evil's sake. Kristoph actually played that card as an excuse, but of course, there's a much deeper motive lying hidden. I suppose Takumi left the black locks open as a mystery to explain in a later game, but Yamazaki gave a very vague answer in DD.
In fact, even if he didn't commit anything for seven years, you could count Kristoph as "almost" a serial killer. He killed two people and very nearly killed a third, who miraculously survived. As any trope-savvy writer would know, 3 is a magical~ number.
Besides, we can't have a serial killer on the loose for 6 or 7 years while Nick was drunk on grape juice; it'd put Edgey to shame for ignoring such an obvious problem. ("I must become Chief Prosecutor and have that inane old man kicked out! Oh, a serial killer? I'll get to that later." And then once he ascends, he clears the serial murder case in a few hours. Hey, maybe that former Chief really was a douche.) If we put the serial killer in the following year, I'd expect there's some reason behind it that is explained in that game. If not, then there's no point in even bringing up a serial killer at all. Joe Darke's case was kept short because it was the forgery charges to the Prosecution's Office that mattered more than his killings.
I don't mean to shoot down your idea, but
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1 - All the prosecutors in the game (except Manfred, because...)
2 - The comeback of Maya, of course.
3 - Mia being chanelled by Maya in some cases.
4 - Lawyers (Phoenix, Mia, Apollo and Athena) vs Their own "rivals" (Miles, Godot, Klavier and Simon).
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It gonna be awesome if it happens.
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My ideas:
1 - All the prosecutors in the game (except Manfred, because...)
2 - The comeback of Maya, of course.
3 - Mia being chanelled by Maya in some cases.
4 - Lawyers (Phoenix, Mia, Apollo and Athena) vs Their own "rivals" (Miles, Godot, Klavier and Simon).
.
It gonna be awesome if it happens.
1 - All the prosecutors in the game (except Manfred, because...)
2 - The comeback of Maya, of course.
3 - Mia being chanelled by Maya in some cases.
4 - Lawyers (Phoenix, Mia, Apollo and Athena) vs Their own "rivals" (Miles, Godot, Klavier and Simon).
.
It gonna be awesome if it happens.
You forgot Franny! And Godot's in jail...I suppose that didn't stop Simon from prosecuting...If Mia does come back I hope it's NOT to give Phoenix advice...Maybe she can give Apollo or Athena advice! Or help like in Farewell my Turnabout! (Seriously what a smart way to use channeling!)
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GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
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Nah, won't happen.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
But the Lawyer Corps! That sounds so cool! It'd be like the Episode 26 special when the Steel Samurai ganged up with the Jammin' Ninja, Onyankopon, Captain Saipan, and the Principal of Starry School in an epic confrontation with Evil Magistrate II's regime of zombie robot warriors!
...Maya, just how do you see our legal system?
The better question is, which one would you be, Nick?
None of them, thank you very much.
...Spoilsport. At least on the prosecutor's side, I think Mr. Edgeworth could be the Steel Samurai. I was thinking more along the lines of Prosecutor Blackquill. Tsk, tsk. You're oh so clueless.
Huh? Mr. Blackquill is obviously the Shadow Samurai from the new spin-off series! They're both black! ...Forget it. I can't keep up with you. (Just because they're black? Isn't that a little... oh never mind.)
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Don't go there. Just don't.At the very least, I hope to see the Steel Samurai and related franchises make a triumphant return. Any conversation about them is rich with classic AA flavor. Also, I'd finally be able to confirm that Blackquill is a fan of a children's kid show from Japan if he shows up.
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Nearavex wrote:
Nah, won't happen.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
That and then there would be too many lawyers to represent the three wise monkeys!
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A detective as a murderer.
I won't ruin this one for ya...
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
A detective as a murderer.
I won't ruin this one for ya...
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How about this,
the detective kills a man in the current case in a similar way somebody was murdered in a case that happened in the past, and the victim was related to that incident.
The reason he was killed was because the detective assumed that guy was the killer and they got the wrong guy, so he went to the extremes to bring him to justice.
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
Ucha Nekome wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
A detective as a murderer.
I won't ruin this one for ya...
Spoiler:
How about this,
the detective kills a man in the current case in a similar way somebody was murdered in a case that happened in the past, and the victim was related to that incident.
The reason he was killed was because the detective assumed that guy was the killer and they got the wrong guy, so he went to the extremes to bring him to justice.
>.> How many AA games have you played?
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Nah, won't happen.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
That and then there would be too many lawyers to represent the three wise monkeys!
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OMG! I never noticed that connection! Mind=Blown.
One thing I'd like to see in the series is a feature that would allow us to compare 2 parts of a witness's testimony that contradict each other. It would be a cool new twist to the court system to have the villain contradict themselves instead of the evidence. Of course, it would be a bit unrealistic, as only the dumbest of criminals would contradict themselves like this, but it would still be cool.
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Ucha Nekome wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
A detective as a murderer.
I won't ruin this one for ya...
Spoiler:
Umm...
Spoiler:
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dimentiorules wrote:
One thing I'd like to see in the series is a feature that would allow us to compare 2 parts of a witness's testimony that contradict each other. It would be a cool new twist to the court system to have the villain contradict themselves instead of the evidence. Of course, it would be a bit unrealistic, as only the dumbest of criminals would contradict themselves like this, but it would still be cool. There,I pointed out what you were going to say.
A certain mechanic in the mob cross-examinations in PLvsAA works exactly like that, but it's given a "twist" by letting one witness say something that contradicts testimony from another on the same stand testifying about the same thing. It'd be the same application if there was only one witness on the stand, really. The mobs are meant to testify as a unity, but things don't always go according to plan.
Also, it IS realistic for a witness to contradict his/her own testimony in the same "topic" of testimony. Perhaps said witness is a gullible old man who can't figure out right away why his pants got wet, or said witness is actually a tactical logician who presents an argument, namely the defense's claims, and acknowledges it, only to counter it with another from his/her perspective. Nothing is wrong with someone making a direct contradiction with his/her own testimony unless it's the case of "changed my mind". Usually, that comes as an excuse as the witness tries to take another train of logic. Nick almost always pokes at this problem, and is largely ignored unless it's the third or fourth time it's happened.
Furthermore, finding contradictions between a single person's testimonies has been around since the first game. There's the non-interactive version, where Nick tells the contradiction for you after pressing the right statement, and the interactive version, where you have to choose an answer and then Nick tells the contradiction.
...I will say, though, that I'd like a little more application of what's seen in PLvsAA to be implemented in future AA games. It will fit seamlessly with the usual cross-examination.
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
A detective as a murderer.
I won't ruin this one for ya...
Spoiler:
Umm...
Spoiler:
If we're counting them this way, then
Spoiler:
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dimentiorules wrote:
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Nah, won't happen.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
GS6 means a fresh story and having all these vs's would make the game overloaded with needlessly large "main" cast at the expense of the new one. There is a reason 5-WAA-lawyers idea got rejected.
I could see it as a spin-off game, but nothing else.
That and then there would be too many lawyers to represent the three wise monkeys!
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OMG! I never noticed that connection! Mind=Blown.
One thing I'd like to see in the series is a feature that would allow us to compare 2 parts of a witness's testimony that contradict each other. It would be a cool new twist to the court system to have the villain contradict themselves instead of the evidence. Of course, it would be a bit unrealistic, as only the dumbest of criminals would contradict themselves like this, but it would still be cool.
Yeah the idea first came to me when Payne called them monkeys, then I considered their abilities...After that the rest just clicked.
Well they've used testimony to prove the witness was lying before but it's never enough to convict...
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when Payne called them monkeys, then I considered their abilities...After that the rest just clicked.
Well they've used testimony to prove the witness was lying before but it's never enough to convict...
Well they've used testimony to prove the witness was lying before but it's never enough to convict...
Oh my god. I never noticed that.
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But I agree; a serial killer should be a case left to the prosecution, rather than the defense, and you'd expect Edgeworth to chase down someone like that as soon as possible, and not wait until a game within GS5's timeline to address, since nothing of the sort was ever suggested or hinted at beforehand.
That only means it's happened before and Edgey was there to solve it before it got any worse, right? :)
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
If you have any ideas for an upcoming GK game, then there's a separate thread for that.
But I agree; a serial killer should be a case left to the prosecution, rather than the defense, and you'd expect Edgeworth to chase down someone like that as soon as possible, and not wait until a game within GS5's timeline to address, since nothing of the sort was ever suggested or hinted at beforehand.
That only means it's happened before and Edgey was there to solve it before it got any worse, right? :)
But I agree; a serial killer should be a case left to the prosecution, rather than the defense, and you'd expect Edgeworth to chase down someone like that as soon as possible, and not wait until a game within GS5's timeline to address, since nothing of the sort was ever suggested or hinted at beforehand.
That only means it's happened before and Edgey was there to solve it before it got any worse, right? :)
Your right about one thing. It IS the prosecution's job to track a serial killer. But what if it's less to do with CATCHING the Serial killer as in proving who ISN'T the serial Killer. Like a serial killer trying to frame your client for the murders. And finding ways to frame them even if they're in a cell. Kinda like Kristoph only backwards.
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Oh, I don't doubt that the police force of this strange country is still incompetent, but you'd think that Edgeworth would take care of this sort of case before he becomes Chief Prosecutor - as in while he still has some free reign around the crime scenes in person, rather than guiding others from a loftier position.
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If we take the "backwards" of Kristoph's case, then it becomes a normal framing case. ^^;
Oh, I don't doubt that the police force of this strange country is still incompetent, but you'd think that Edgeworth would take care of this sort of case before he becomes Chief Prosecutor - as in while he still has some free reign around the crime scenes in person, rather than guiding others from a loftier position.
Oh, I don't doubt that the police force of this strange country is still incompetent, but you'd think that Edgeworth would take care of this sort of case before he becomes Chief Prosecutor - as in while he still has some free reign around the crime scenes in person, rather than guiding others from a loftier position.
I can just picture a new gameplay mechanic where you have to select the right subordinate for the Job, and that Gumshoe can be one of the Homicide detectives you can pick and play as (Or even Badd, or Gumshoe's assistant from the GK Manga!)
It'll be called "Ace Attorney: Prosecutor Squad"
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
If we take the "backwards" of Kristoph's case, then it becomes a normal framing case. ^^;
Oh, I don't doubt that the police force of this strange country is still incompetent, but you'd think that Edgeworth would take care of this sort of case before he becomes Chief Prosecutor - as in while he still has some free reign around the crime scenes in person, rather than guiding others from a loftier position.
Oh, I don't doubt that the police force of this strange country is still incompetent, but you'd think that Edgeworth would take care of this sort of case before he becomes Chief Prosecutor - as in while he still has some free reign around the crime scenes in person, rather than guiding others from a loftier position.
I can just picture a new gameplay mechanic where you have to select the right subordinate for the Job, and that Gumshoe can be one of the Homicide detectives you can pick and play as (Or even Badd, or Gumshoe's assistant from the GK Manga!)
It'll be called "Ace Attorney: Prosecutor Squad"
You mean Gumshoe could actually be competent? The world must be ending.
I find it a little hard to grasp at this mechanic, though. How would you know which people are "right" for the job? I was under the impression that public prosecutors could choose their own cases, and those prosecutors would in turn pick their detectives. (Or in Franziska's case, she'd whip the detective with the least resistance... namely Gumshoe.) What Edgeworth oversees is progress on investigations and their following trials, making sure everything goes smoothly... especially the way evidence and testimony are acquired.
Now the only thing for him to worry about is whether or not he should let Phoenix get away with investigating crimes before the police do.
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>_> Aw, shucks, guys. I thought it was pretty clear from that post that I was playing around.
No one jokes about Gummy
But yeah, If the AAI team still thinks Gumshoe's living off Instant Noodles, he''s not fired yet, so there's every possibility he'll come back in GS6 )
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Then again, I feel divided over who should get the next detective role. Ema has science, but Gumshoe has experience. Gee, it's like selecting a character for battle... without the actual battle. But who knows, maybe they'll both appear, and we'll get to see an action sequence akin to Lang's epic entrance sometime?
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Then again, I feel divided over who should get the next detective role. Ema has science, but Gumshoe has experience. Gee, it's like selecting a character for battle... without the actual battle. But who knows, maybe they'll both appear, and we'll get to see an action sequence akin to Lang's epic entrance sometime?
I have a feeling if the AAI team works on GS6, it'll be Gumshoe as the detective, purely due to their experience writing his character after the T&T events, so they've now got control over his future, and Ema will appear possibly as a detective in 1 case. If it's Takumi, I'm sure he'll stick to Ema being detective, and probably not bring Gummy back. I'd love to see Gummy come back, but I also liked Ema as the Detective in AJ.
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But then I kept playing...
And playing...
Might be too harsh, but I think it could be considered character assassination
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