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It would be interesting to have a case where Edgeworth needs to clear the name of somebody he convicted while he was a ruthless prosecutor. It would add quite a bit of depth to his character
Yeah that'd be great. I have a friend who hates Edgeworth because of how he acts in the first game, I've tried to get her to like him more but she can't bring herself to do so. I've told her to play GS2 and GS3 because they both give insight to his past but she still says she doesn't like him. If Edgeworth got more development in a main GS game it might help. However I think that scenario is more likely to show up in a GK game. And if that's the case... Localization... Errrr...
I've had hopes for Capcom to make another group of remakes for the GS and GK games as a chance to localize the second game. Maybe by making something similar to GS123 on 3DS but this time with GS4 and GK1 and 2. But it isn't likely. GS4 might be remade (not entirely though) for 3DS e-Shop, but GK12 might not happen... Unless they make a Third game and re-release the two prior games as a part of it. It'd be notably more expensive but I'd be happy to see GK123 come into existence.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
It would be interesting to have a case where Edgeworth needs to clear the name of somebody he convicted while he was a ruthless prosecutor. It would add quite a bit of depth to his character
Eh, I'm not sure just how much more "depth" Edgeworth needs to his character (and if the AAI team is involved, I could do without). His character is pretty well established by JFA.
I find the scenario intriguing though. Maybe it would work in between the JFA and T&T timelines, during one of his trips back from Europe (or wherever he goes).
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I have a friend who hates Edgeworth because of how he acts in the first game, I've tried to get her to like him more but she can't bring herself to do so. I've told her to play GS2 and GS3 because they both give insight to his past but she still says she doesn't like him. If Edgeworth got more development in a main GS game it might help. However I think that scenario is more likely to show up in a GK game. And if that's the case... Localization... Errrr...
It just sounds like your friend has decided she doesn't like Edgeworth, and will not sway on that opinion. I don't think any amount of additional character development in a future game would be convincing when she isn't even willing to play the existing AA sequels.
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In part, the large amount of development he's gotten is why I'd like Godot to get more appearances and development. His exit (atleast to me) from the franchise wasn't as satisfactory as I'd have liked. Edgeworth has had a lot of development, Franzisca has less than him but still quite a bit. Even Klavier in a sense has been treated in a better manner. And I'm sure Simon isn't going anywhere anytime soon. (He's practically Athena's Edgeworth)
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About Godot, I just watched the final confrontation on Youtube and now I find myself oddly fascinated by him and a part of me wants to see him again, however thinking about it rationall, I'd rather not. There's nothing more they can do with him that can't be done with a new character, and an appearance from him would probably 1) serve no purpose and 2) be really weird.
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AAI-4 added some depth to his younger self though, and that was nice.
I'm not sure I would call that 'depth.' For me, it was a little confusing, like they didn't know what to do with his character, so they copied his present personality and swapped out his 'truth' goal for the 'perfect case' goal. I would have preferred something closer to the outside-of-courtroom Edgeworth from 1-2 through 1-4. Ruthless in court and awkward out of it, capable of being focused but not over-thinking the goal.
I do try to think up reasons why he was like that in AAI-4, and then completely different in 1-2, and while I can think up a couple of reasons, I just kind of wish they'd explained the change in personality (or non-change?) better, made it more convincing.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
About Godot, I just watched the final confrontation on Youtube and now I find myself oddly fascinated by him and a part of me wants to see him again, however thinking about it rationall, I'd rather not. There's nothing more they can do with him that can't be done with a new character, and an appearance from him would probably 1) serve no purpose and 2) be really weird.
He would be in for purely fanservice purposes, and I object to pure fanservice purposes. Still, I would prefer his mentorship over Mia's any day.
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"Uh, yes, Mr. Godot?"
"What do you do when you have a bad blend of coffee?"
"Uh... chuck it out?"
"Exactly. Now fix yourself before I chuck this mistake onto your weedy head!"
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AAI-4 added some depth to his younger self though, and that was nice.
I'm not sure I would call that 'depth.' For me, it was a little confusing, like they didn't know what to do with his character, so they copied his present personality and swapped out his 'truth' goal for the 'perfect case' goal. I would have preferred something closer to the outside-of-courtroom Edgeworth from 1-2 through 1-4. Ruthless in court and awkward out of it, capable of being focused but not over-thinking the goal.
I do try to think up reasons why he was like that in AAI-4, and then completely different in 1-2, and while I can think up a couple of reasons, I just kind of wish they'd explained the change in personality (or non-change?) better, made it more convincing.
Same here. It's not pushed to the point that I couldn't tolerate it, but I didn't expect Edgeworth to be so immature compared to what we saw of him in 3-4. Granted, then was in court, so he would have had to put up a different front. I'm fine with a few moments when Kay or Gumshoe get on the wrong side of him, but as von Karma's star disciple, you'd think he would feel just a bit of disdain toward Franziska's frequent childish outbursts and help guide her to become a little more refined, rather than become her target practice. Besides, based on how Franziska acts in JFA, you'd expect that their relationship was rather distant in the first place.
Then again, there's not much else to expect when you have two teenagers (even though he's actually 20), a little kid, an adult who acts like a little kid, and a kooky judge around a crime scene. The only ones I held constant respect for were Badd and von Karma (and His Honor, but for a completely different reason).
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(But Godot mentoring Apollo...! That's tempting, speaking as a person who has a weird longing of seeing them in the same room just because they'd either grind each others gears as hell or get along in some obscure and incomprehensible way (propbably both).)
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I'm fine with a few moments when Kay or Gumshoe get on the wrong side of him, but as von Karma's star disciple, you'd think he would feel just a bit of disdain toward Franziska's frequent childish outbursts and help guide her to become a little more refined, rather than become her target practice. Besides, based on how Franziska acts in JFA, you'd expect that their relationship was rather distant in the first place.
Then again, there's not much else to expect when you have two teenagers (even though he's actually 20), a little kid, an adult who acts like a little kid, and a kooky judge around a crime scene. The only ones I held constant respect for were Badd and von Karma (and His Honor, but for a completely different reason).
Then again, there's not much else to expect when you have two teenagers (even though he's actually 20), a little kid, an adult who acts like a little kid, and a kooky judge around a crime scene. The only ones I held constant respect for were Badd and von Karma (and His Honor, but for a completely different reason).
I think Edgeworth knows that even though he's the star disciple, Franziska is still Manfred's (only?) daughter and his pride and joy. I don't think it would be becoming of him to try to put her in place. Maybe von Karma would be on Miles' side, though, considering she is acting childish. It didn't bother me that much because I thought Franziska was amazing in the AAI games and young Franziska and her banter with Edgeworth was just cute
With their relationship in JFA, I think she was distant to Edgeworth because of the fact that in her eyes, he "failed" as a von Karma and he couldn't even live to face the music. Part of her revenge against Phoenix was because she felt that he killed him in a way. All in all, I still liked the look at the family life in AAI (and the other alternate views we got, like Edgeworth's friendship with Gumshoe)
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Yeah, and he hasn't even made his courtroom debut at that time. He's still under von Karma's wing and believes himself perfect, or at least thinks he should be. For such a character I believe his inner monologue wasn't overdone, I believed it and it fits with his attitude in case 3-4 as well. It's obvious he's taking himself very seriously to the point of ridicilousness, as opposed to the first game where he's more grown up, more experienced and he's got himself more, if not in any way fully, figured out than when he was 20. Surely his AAI-4 character isn't deep per se but it explored more of the Edgeworth we partly got to know in 3-4 as well as showing us a tiny bit of what his relationship to Manfred looked like. It's true he had more of a goal and was less awkward but as I said, at that point he was completely under Manfred's wing trying to fulfill his goal and under these circumstances he's being overly confident, and/or he's got a massive facade going on which he dropped as he matured. Franziska's ambition to be perfect feels and always felt a lot more genuine than AAI-4-Edgeworth's "perfect case" goal and I think he's mostly trying to redeem himself being the black sheep in the von Karma family. Come 1-2 to 1-4 where it seems like he sees von Karma simply as his former teacher, as in, they don't seem to keep in touch anymore and Edgeworth is on his own, also knowing from 3-4 that every case can't be completely in one's control. He's not "Edgeworth, von Karma's disciple" anymore, and he's not "Edgeworth, noble motivation speeker and seeker of truth" yet, but simply "Edgeworth, (demon) prosecutor".
I'm not saying I don't see what they were going for. There's a disconnect between the two personalities, and it doesn't seem very believable he went from "perfect case" this, "perfect case" that to Demon Prosecutor who doesn't give a shit about hiding pieces of evidence from the court or doing second autopsies conveniently before a trial. (Oddly, though, it should be.) I think one of the reasons it wasn't too convincing is that AAI1-4 Edgeworth had as much of a true sense of justice (as opposed to: all defendants in a case are guilty, after all why would they be defendants if they weren't criminals?) as the Edgeworth of 2-4 and beyond. If they were trying to act as though only Courtroom!Edgeworth is ruthless, I'm not really buying it in AAI1-4. Mostly because 1) it's inconsistent with 1-2 and 3-4 Edgeworth who does those sneaky dirty little things, and 2) it contradicts what he said in AA, where he mentioned that, because of DL-6, he decided he hated criminals and made it his policy to get every defendant declared guilty. This was important because it was connected to the (misplaced) guilt he felt for (not) shooting Gregory. You know, where he said he was all about getting criminals convicted in part to punish himself for his own crime (which we know now he did not commit). There wasn't really a reason for him to overthink the case. Gumshoe is guilty. Case closed.
I understand he was still under von Karma's influence in AAI1-4, and that takes himself way too seriously. That much doesn't bother me. It's his lack of suspicion of Gumshoe. According to AA, his suspicion levels should be in overdrive, or at least he ought to be apathetic to the man's situation ("Well, you're probably guilty anyway, so I'll find the evidence I need to get you convicted" or something similar). If he was really under von Karma's control, he would have been digging for stuff to find Gumshoe guilty in court, had he eventually been the prosecutor in that murder case. If he'd spent time digging for ammo instead of trying to save the detective, he would've had an advantage. He'd have time to put together the right arguments for whatever evidence he chose not to discard (for the benefit of the prosecution) and the right traps for the defense to fall in. Basically, he really would have had the "perfect case." And it probably would have been a lot closer to something von Karma puts together.
Instead, all we get is... not-so-Bratworth. I'd like to think that maybe Calisto's hijinks are what "broke" any faith he had in the system, but they don't even touch upon that much. And then there's that contradiction with his belief in AA that all defendants are guilty.
I will say I did enjoy the interactions with Manfred and Franziska.
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Put yourself in his shoes: It's his courtroom debut. It's his chance to show the world and his mentor (who still doesn't respect as he calls him worthless throughout the case) that he truly is the genius Prosecutor that they say he is. Not only that, but this is a high profile incident. This is the chance to get some glory after all the blood, sweat, and tears he's put into his job. He despises criminals and it's possible he even detests the Yatagarasu (he says so at one point during that case) for circumventing the law. "The law is a tool. It's only as useful as the man who wields it"
Then, the Prosecutor and defendant are killed. Edgeworth lost his chance at getting something to actually go right in his life since DL-6. He goes to find out what's going on. Tyrell Badd doesn't respect him and treats him like a child. Calisto simply laughs at him. Edgeworth is pissed. Furthermore, he's told to investigate by Von Karma but then gets blindsided but the people disrespecting him when they arrest Gumshoe. And really? Can Edgeworth honestly believe the Gumshoe did it?
Sure, Edgeworth can say, "The evidence against this man is extremely conclusive. There are some inconsistencies but I don't really care about the perfect case." Edgeworth would want a defendant to be guilty, but who knows if he'd even prosecute Gumshoe? Basically, allowing Gumshoe to be declared the culprit would make him a mockery in front of Badd, Yew, the courthouse, Von Karma, and his little sister who keeps claiming she's better than him
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Anyways, as someone previously said, I'd like to see the main characters be forced to visit one of their old foes in prison to find out more about a case, Silence Of The Lambs style. It would be a great way to bring back fan favorite characters we thought we'd never see again, like Damon Gant and Godot. Shu Takumi has specifically stated that Godot is indeed still alive, so it's possible. It would make a great anime cutscene, showing them interrogating their old foe.
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Shu Takumi has specifically stated that Godot is indeed still alive, so it's possible
Source? I'm not saying I don't believe you. I've just never heard of this before
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Shu Takumi has specifically stated that Godot is indeed still alive, so it's possible
Source? I'm not saying I don't believe you. I've just never heard of this before
I got it from TV Tropes' character section on the series.
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dimentiorules wrote:
JesusMonroe wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
Shu Takumi has specifically stated that Godot is indeed still alive, so it's possible
Source? I'm not saying I don't believe you. I've just never heard of this before
I got it from TV Tropes' character section on the series.
I can't find it on the characters' page anymore. Was it removed? I remember seeing it somewhere there too, but that one troper didn't provide a clear source for it.
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But yeah, whether or not he's dead or alive, I don't see him coming back. He'd probably even be annoyed to be back. But if he's actually dead, though I personally don't wish for it, let him die drinking coffee... without poison this time, but instead caffeine overdose. It's the best way for him to go.
And on that thought, if Phoenix ever dies before he gets old for some reason, let him die drinking grape juice. It's the same analogy. (But given his status at Capcom, the only way he'd die would be in a Ghost Trick crossover, where he could be brought back to life anyway. If Takumi actually pushes for this, as in Nick dying every other murder, at any point, I will support it full force because I'm evil that way.)
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I couldn't care less about the Phantom, but if KRISTOPH were to get out of jail through legal methods - remember how the jurist system flopped - then I'd actually be really, really excited.
And if Athena is revealed to be an android, I will do a twirl of happiness.
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About GS6...is there anyone here who DOESN'T want at least part of the story to focus on Apollo and his relationship with Trucy and Lamiroir? As long as that happens (and the writing is good and the cases are solid of course), I'm okay with pretty much anything, so long as they don't drag Phoenix's name through the mud or shove more of Athena down our throats.
I couldn't care less about the Phantom, but if KRISTOPH were to get out of jail through legal methods - remember how the jurist system flopped - then I'd actually be really, really excited.
And if Athena is revealed to be an android, I will do a twirl of happiness.
I couldn't care less about the Phantom, but if KRISTOPH were to get out of jail through legal methods - remember how the jurist system flopped - then I'd actually be really, really excited.
And if Athena is revealed to be an android, I will do a twirl of happiness.
Oh, I'd be careful about that, Thane. I mean, what if she turns out to be a time traveler too? The entire universe would risk collapse because she might end up swatting a fly from 100 years ago, and later when she returns to the present, the city is flocked with locusts or bees or something.
And then in classic Athena action, she burns them all with her solar-powered Widget Beam. In one go. Because she's amazing like that. And then people would erect a golden statue of her in the city square.
Wright would end up getting so much attention that he'd actually afford a personal jet. Then he and Edgeworth could finally enjoy what they should have done years ago: racing around the world at Mach 5.
And Apollo, uh, takes Trucy, Pearl and Juniper out on a picnic. There, they face the ultimate challenge of fighting off assaulting ants with well-trained mantises.
This would make the best spinoff game to this series ever.
...Oh, wait, this is the GS6 thread.
Okay, more seriously, I don't see much potential with Lamiroir's relationship with Apollo and Trucy anymore. If she'd like to explain herself to them, then sure, but I don't see what that has to do with anything, especially the direction GS5 is suggesting. And I won't wait for Apollo's father to come back from the dead with a mask over his face for whatever reason. I do wish to know if they both had a good reason to hide from him, but Kristoph has a much better chance and reason to return as some undying plague on this court system than either of them.
And whoever that person was, talking to Blackquill about his/her father, it seemed a bit too obvious a hint to ignore. I'm not saying I would rather welcome this stranger, but that scene can't just be in there for giggles.
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And Kristoph seemed to be pretty spoiled in prison, so chances are he somehow managed to get released due to... good behaviour or whatever. As far as the story goes he wasn't properly convicted for the 4-4 events anyway.
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You know what I want to know...is Oldbag dead by now? Or is she still badgering Edgeworth to this very day?
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Sierra Mikain wrote:
Gammalad wrote:
You know what I want to know...is Oldbag dead by now? Or is she still badgering Edgeworth to this very day?
I have no idea. But thanks to spirit channeling, she would be able to badger Edgeworth until the day he died.
You're acting like Maya, Pearls or anyone from the Mountain would want to channel her spirit
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
But who would WANT to call her spirit?
Gammalad wrote:
Sierra Mikain wrote:
Gammalad wrote:
You know what I want to know...is Oldbag dead by now? Or is she still badgering Edgeworth to this very day?
I have no idea. But thanks to spirit channeling, she would be able to badger Edgeworth until the day he died.
You're acting like Maya, Pearls or anyone from the Mountain would want to channel her spirit
You two are forgetting that in 2-4 Pearl thought Oldbag's affections for Edgeworth was a wonderful thing... before she hit Phoenix for not agreeing with her.
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
True, but you're forgetting that Pearls would need Edgeworth's permission to call her.
Since when?
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Sierra Mikain wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
True, but you're forgetting that Pearls would need Edgeworth's permission to call her.
Since when?
Since Oldbag has survived longer than any of the stars she admired. :P
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Sierra Mikain wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
True, but you're forgetting that Pearls would need Edgeworth's permission to call her.
Since when?
Since Oldbag has survived longer than any of the stars she admired. :P
And what does that have to do with it?
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If anything, he's the one who would be summoned by Oldbag's request... but the channeling would probably fail because Edgeworth's spirit would do anything to avoid her.
Something like that. <⊔<
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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dimentiorules wrote:
Here's an idea I've had for a while: A killer that's a cannibal. You find the victim's body, and discover that it's partially eaten. Perhaps the villain could be a restaurant owner who puts his victims in the food he serves his customers. I got this from a cop show I watched with a similar premise, which made me think that the concept might work in a GS game.
...Y-you see...
Most of the Ace attorney games are aimed at children, for as much as the ratings may say otherwise. And, they really aren't that dark and grim, most of the time. Having a case juts like you described in there would probably make most people cry.
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Yeah I second that...that idea is a bit too dark for Ace Attorney standards...
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Tiagofvarela wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
Here's an idea I've had for a while: A killer that's a cannibal. You find the victim's body, and discover that it's partially eaten. Perhaps the villain could be a restaurant owner who puts his victims in the food he serves his customers. I got this from a cop show I watched with a similar premise, which made me think that the concept might work in a GS game.
...Y-you see...
Most of the Ace attorney games are aimed at children, for as much as the ratings may say otherwise. And, they really aren't that dark and grim, most of the time. Having a case juts like you described in there would probably make most people cry.
You have to admit, at least then it would be deserving of the M rating *eyerolls at whoever rated DD*
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Sierra Mikain wrote:
You have to admit, at least then it would be deserving of the M rating *eyerolls at whoever rated DD*
This is true...I think the people just saw the cut-scene of Athena's mom being murdered and assumed the whole game was that bloody.
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