PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!) : Labyrinthia (PLvsGS)

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:38 pm

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I love in that one part where Layton has to prsent evidence he doesn't yell. "Take that!" but instead yells. "Have a look!" I found that pretty funny.

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:09 pm

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Klonoahedgehog wrote:

I love in that one part where Layton has to prsent evidence he doesn't yell. "Take that!" but instead yells. "Have a look!" I found that pretty funny.

Yeah, that's so Layton. And kinda sweet.

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:25 pm

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I'm about to start Chapter 8 and finish up. I'm hoping for a pretty great finale because this game hasn't quite *hooked* me. I am enjoying it, but it's just not as good as I thought it would be. Not saying it's a bad game, though. I prefer it over Trials and Tribulations but definitely not over AJ or AAI. Not sure whether I prefer this or DD yet. I probably like DD more at this point, but the finale cases always make all the difference so to that can easily change

(Also, I love how the game is actually doing a different final prosecutor from the main one that's not Edgeworth)

Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:45 pm

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(Also, I love how the game is actually doing a different final prosecutor from the main one that's not Edgeworth)

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:59 pm

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I finished

Was there no ladder/stepladder convo or did I glance over it?

Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:15 pm

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Not a proper one, but some kind of nudge to it.

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:01 pm

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JesusMonroe wrote:

I finished

Was there no ladder/stepladder convo or did I glance over it?

So, whaddaya think? Better or worse than DD in the end? (I'm guessing worse since I know you have a different taste :-P

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:12 am

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I like how at the beginning of the game they have basically a British version of Winston Payne as the tutorial prosecutor. I also like how his last name is Flynch, as it fits with the same kind of theme, BTW, does he even have a first name? He doesn't have a profile for whatever reason, usually the only people in a case not to have a profile are the main playable character and the judge.

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:38 am

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So uh... I'm having trouble finding a puzzle post-game. Are any missable?

Spoiler: spoilers maybe?

Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:44 am

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This image has a lot of power to it in my opinion.

Seeing as How Layton was inspired by Phoenix, this must make the people at Level 5 really happy.

Man, the final trial for this game had me stuck to the screen the entire time.
The end when they pretty much said that Phoenix's appearance in Labyrinthia was a fluke and that they only intended for Layton to show up, that had me laughing for a while. :gant:

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:47 am

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JesusMonroe wrote:

I finished

Was there no ladder/stepladder convo or did I glance over it?

Now go through the game again via the same save file to find the alternate ending. It sure struck me like a brick. (You can replay the "climax" of the final trial after you complete the game once, so it should be easy to hit the ending again.)

Nope, not that I've found. There was Layton and Maya discussing a certain type of foliage in the forest, but it wasn't really an argument. I'm curious what GfM was referring to by "nudge", though.

dimentiorules wrote:

I like how at the beginning of the game they have basically a British version of Winston Payne as the tutorial prosecutor. I also like how his last name is Flynch, as it fits with the same kind of theme, BTW, does he even have a first name? He doesn't have a profile for whatever reason, usually the only people in a case not to have a profile are the main playable character and the judge.

Not that we'd know of. It's as you say, he doesn't have a profile.

I can guess... Fallon Flynch.

genodragon1 wrote:

So uh... I'm having trouble finding a puzzle post-game. Are any missable?

Spoiler: spoilers maybe?

Check the Puzzle Index in the professor's trunk. They're all enumerated. If you've found them all there should be 70. I'm not sure if the US version already has the DLC puzzles, but that's another 12.

Once you've completed the game, you have the option to replay your game from the last spot when you can return for any missed puzzles or hint coins.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:51 am

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Thanks for the tip! I was trying to figure out which one I'd missed. I'm so used to the puzzle index being in the first row, my brain didn't really register the index.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:53 am

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DLC puzzles ain't worth Picarats I believe though.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:05 am

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JesusMonroe wrote:

I finished

Was there no ladder/stepladder convo or did I glance over it?

There was one in the forest.
I think it went something along the lines of.
"They must use ladders to get up they're."
"I knew you were smart Professor! Trust me you don't want to hear Nicks thoughts on ladders."

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:54 am

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

JesusMonroe wrote:

I finished

Was there no ladder/stepladder convo or did I glance over it?

Now go through the game again via the same save file to find the alternate ending. It sure struck me like a brick. (You can replay the "climax" of the final trial after you complete the game once, so it should be easy to hit the ending again.)

Nope, not that I've found. There was Layton and Maya discussing a certain type of foliage in the forest, but it wasn't really an argument. I'm curious what GfM was referring to by "nudge", though.

I think I see what he meant
http://youtu.be/flvUOeUCplM?t=31m7s

Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:11 am

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Pierre wrote:

DLC puzzles ain't worth Picarats I believe though.

They aren't, but they are indexed. They're also replayable from that index, so anyone more interested in the puzzles than the DLC stories can access them right off.

JesusMonroe wrote:

I think I see what he meant
http://youtu.be/flvUOeUCplM?t=31m7s

Funny. Maybe my memory's off, but I don't recall seeing this in my Japanese playthrough. Something like this would stick in my mind if I did, though. I suppose we can chalk it up to minor localization differences.

The conversation Klonoahedgehog mentions, however, was in there.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:34 am

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JesusMonroe wrote:

I think I see what he meant
http://youtu.be/flvUOeUCplM?t=31m7s

Yuup, that was it.

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:19 pm

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Okay, I just beat Chapter 2, and I encountered what I consider to be one of the dumbest things I've seen in any GS game. Phoenix acts as if it's near impossible to find enough evidence for the great witch trial in two weeks, when for most trials, he only gets a single day! Two weeks is way more time than he usually gets, why do they consider this to be so big of a deal?! He should be grateful that he gets 14 times the amount of time he usually gets! This is so stupid!

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:07 pm

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Well, it's a trial for the most historic witch and the most known one in the town. It's the queen of witches and he knows nothing about her or the town history, plus Espella wants to be found guilty. He has every right to be nervous

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:20 pm

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dimentiorules wrote:

Okay, I just beat Chapter 2, and I encountered what I consider to be one of the dumbest things I've seen in any GS game. Phoenix acts as if it's near impossible to find enough evidence for the great witch trial in two weeks, when for most trials, he only gets a single day! Two weeks is way more time than he usually gets, why do they consider this to be so big of a deal?! He should be grateful that he gets 14 times the amount of time he usually gets! This is so stupid!

Plus SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILER.

Phoenix is right to be concerned.
I reckon it's more the problem with the confession, and the whole "watching the death sentence occur right before his eyes" that makes him ultra nervous. Plus y'know....everyone hates him for siding with the Great Witch.

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Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:17 pm

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One thing I don't like is how Kira wears a pair of modern looking glasses, yet the game takes place in a medieval setting, and modern glasses weren't invented yet! At least, I don't think they were.

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Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:29 pm

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I don't know how modern-looking you want them to be (they sure didn't have designer spectacles), but the modern eyeglasses as we know them (two pieces of glass resting on the ears) are definitely medieval inventions.

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Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:41 pm

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Ash wrote:

I don't know how modern-looking you want them to be (they sure didn't have designer spectacles), but the modern eyeglasses as we know them (two pieces of glass resting on the ears) are definitely medieval inventions.

Oh, really? I thought they weren't invented until at least the 1800s. Well, aren't I an idiot. Sorry about that.

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Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:10 pm

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Got mines in the mail a little late, beaten today. Ah worth the wait I say, and the music was a series best for me. I'll be replaying that Objection and credits theme many times on my PC.

Now the massive spoiler stuff.

Spoiler: Ending

I'm sure I'll have much more to say and discuss over the months, for now I'm still coming off the high of playing and beating it (and the tension of that last trial). Welp. Until the next lonnnnnnnnnnng wait then. :jake:

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Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:22 pm

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Turnabout_Lawman wrote:

Spoiler: Ending

It's Mr. Takumi, as usual. He's the scenario director for this game, so he was in charge of everything relating to the story and characters.

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Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:57 am

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I feel like playing through the game again, mainly because i pretty much blazed through it in one weekend trying to beat it before classes started again and i feel like i missed some things, hell i didn't talk to some of the NPC's.

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Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:19 pm

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I read on the Ace Attorney Wiki that the character of Professor Layton was originally inspired by Phoenix Wright. It says that the creators took the good aspects of Phoenix Wright's character and applied those to Layton. I find that strange, as they're nothing alike, neither in terms of personality nor looks! Exactly what aspects of Phoenix Wright made it into Professor Layton?

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Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:03 pm

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The finger point

Re: PLvAA General Discussion Thread (spoilers!)

Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:23 pm

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Desire to help people too I'd guess. And to solve puzzles you often have to think outside the box and "turn your thinking around".

And similarly to Layton, Phoenix just oozes eloquence and gains respect wherever he goes... *cough*

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Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:50 pm

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GoingforMiles wrote:

Desire to help people too I'd guess. And to solve puzzles you often have to think outside the box and "turn your thinking around".

And similarly to Layton, Phoenix just oozes eloquence and gains respect wherever he goes... *cough*

I'm guessing that the second statement is sarcasm, either that or you just have a bad cold.

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Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:07 pm

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Yeah it was, I'm not desilusional. :ron:

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:32 pm

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One thing I don't get is why it's called "Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney". Shouldn't it be called "Professor Layton and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney", since they're on the same side for most of the game?

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:37 pm

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Spoiler:

But most crossovers have "vs" in the title (like the upcoming Batman vs. Superman). It doesn't have to mean anything

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:49 pm

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I can't find a picture of it, but when they're pointing out the final culprit they're both cramped into the screen and technically pointing at each other.

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:00 pm

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What it "means" is that we're taking two rival franchises and putting them together. It just wouldn't sit right for this game to be called "Professor Layton and the Ace Attorney".

No, wait, that sounds cool. How about "Professor Layton and the Baker's Apprentice"? "Professor Layton and the Trials by Fire"? "Professor Layton and Phoenix Wright: Lost in the Labyrinth"... hmm, nah, too literal.

Help me out, guys. I can't decide on a better title.

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I can't find a picture of it, but when they're pointing out the final culprit they're both cramped into the screen and technically pointing at each other.

Spoiler: Well, actually

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:06 pm

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But look, they're standing next to each other, on pointing this way ---> and the other that way <--- So when they take up a tiny space and are so close they almost touch each other, it looks like they're pointing at each other.

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:25 pm

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I think you're mixing up scenes. That scene when they're pointing at each other is

Spoiler:

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Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:40 pm

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Spoiler:

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Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:40 pm

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I rather liked this game. I liked how the explanation for the overall mystery unfolded more gradually than in most Layton games where he seems to pull the explanation out of his bu... Er... I mean hat.

What I didn't care much for is that the explanation for everything actually requires more suspension of disbelief than accepting the premise at face value. There was also kind of a shortage of puzzles, and some of the contradictions weren't so much actual contradictions instead of pointing out alternate possibilities.

I really don't understand the hype about the mob examinations though. For the most part, all it amounts to is optional press dialogue. And while the idea of witness testimony contradicting other witness testimony is novel, it was only used three times.

I really did enjoy the game for what it was, I just wish it was executed better.

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Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:05 pm

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I just finished it last night. Overall I liked it, although I had some issues with it. I started writing out my thoughts, but it got bigger and bigger until I realized I'd need like an hour to finish and edit it, so I'll post that here later when I have more time. In general, though, I thought it was a good game overall but it wasn't a great Layton game or a great Ace Attorney game.

Question, though. How many episodes and art galleries are there in total? I noticed they're releasing them a lot quicker in the US than they did in Europe.

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