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Philosophy... of detainment? International network of connections 2000 B.C.? What? What was this guy smoking?
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I just got to think of Justine Courtney... I have to admit, I don't think she's a very great or memorable character. I like that John Marsh turned out to be her adopted son and all (but his dad was the president of Zheng Fa... come on, how small is this world of AA?????? (I just hate that kind of coincidences in any kind of narrative)) but then when I think about it, John is not all that deep of a character IMO. He was quite bland, both design-wise and character-wise and I think calling Justine a top-3 rival character is a huge overstatement. I don't even like her more than Lang and I think Lang is boring.
As a 'rival' Mikagami isn't really anything special, but as a 'character' I think she's one of the most complex and interesting characters in the franchise.
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I always wonder what's up with Lang.
Philosophy... of detainment? International network of connections 2000 B.C.? What? What was this guy smoking?
Philosophy... of detainment? International network of connections 2000 B.C.? What? What was this guy smoking?
Obviously, Lang is so hot and sexy that his superiors were distracted by his cleavage, and just kept promoting him through the ranks without actually listening to the nonsense he was spouting.
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I always wonder what's up with Lang.
Philosophy... of detainment? International network of connections 2000 B.C.? What? What was this guy smoking?
Philosophy... of detainment? International network of connections 2000 B.C.? What? What was this guy smoking?
Obviously, Lang is so hot and sexy that his superiors were distracted by his cleavage, and just kept promoting him through the ranks without actually listening to the nonsense he was spouting.
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I just got to think of Justine Courtney... I have to admit, I don't think she's a very great or memorable character. I like that John Marsh turned out to be her adopted son and all (but his dad was the president of Zheng Fa... come on, how small is this world of AA?????? (I just hate that kind of coincidences in any kind of narrative)) but then when I think about it, John is not all that deep of a character IMO. He was quite bland, both design-wise and character-wise and I think calling Justine a top-3 rival character is a huge overstatement. I don't even like her more than Lang and I think Lang is boring.
As a rival, I don't think she has anything special about her. She uses nothing but her authority as a judge and member of the P.I.C, threatening Edgeworth, and holding her tongue. Honestly, Franziska already did that, and at least she had backstory with Edgey and a deep emotional past. Justine, honestly, was nothing but a giant bully (although another b-word is a better choice) and, as a judge, her actions were inexcusably illegal.
I'd be okay with it if she was treated like JFA's Franziska (an immature brat), T&T's Godot (a smug jerk) or Dahlia (an insane sociopath). But throughout the whole thing, no one ever shuts Justine up. Where was Franzy's whip? Where were the verbal smackdowns, the interruptions. I wanted to reach through the screen and shout expletives at her. The fact that she gets no comeuppance for what she did bothers me, and the fact that she should have been immediately removed from the case the second she became a suspect in Case 4 with the keycard thing.
When it came to rivals, Edgey and Franzy (flawed though she was) were infinitely more interesting and came up with great rebuttals to problems. Justine is nowhere near their level. In fact, I daresay, she's the weakest.
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linkenski wrote:
I just got to think of Justine Courtney... I have to admit, I don't think she's a very great or memorable character. I like that John Marsh turned out to be her adopted son and all (but his dad was the president of Zheng Fa... come on, how small is this world of AA?????? (I just hate that kind of coincidences in any kind of narrative)) but then when I think about it, John is not all that deep of a character IMO. He was quite bland, both design-wise and character-wise and I think calling Justine a top-3 rival character is a huge overstatement. I don't even like her more than Lang and I think Lang is boring.
I won't comment much on Hakari or Lang because I think they're some of the better characters of the series (and in case you're wondering, character-wise, I'd probably rank it as Edgeworth>Von Karma>Blackquill=Lang>Franziska>Hakari>Godot>Klavier. Hakari being low doesn't mean much because I love the rival characters even more than I love the assistants) and I think we've already discussed this anyway.
John, on the other hand, is a favorite of mine. Not counting any villains, he's by far the best one-off character of the series. I could see an argument for Adrian or Lana but that's about it
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Pros
. More Edgeworth
. All the cases were a nice length
. Fun cameo's
. Excellent story and how it all ties together
. Debeaste and Justine
Cons
. Edgeworth talking about wanting to find the truth all the damn time ( I get it )
. Music while good wasnt as good as the first AAI game
. Why have Nicola who felt too much like a carbon copy of Lotta ( for them to end up in the same scenes later on)
. Case 2 dragged abit towards the end
. Wasnt a huge fan of Logic chess becuase while some lines of diaolog to pick where clear others had no clear indication then having to respeat whole sections of diaolog got annoying
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The truth. The truuuuuth. The truuuuth is My paaaath. Truth. Path. Path. Truth.
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While Edgeworth repeated his core principles too much it was still a much better depiction of him compared to his AAI characterization where he just goes "I'll have to think like Phoenix" and being uncharacteristically jerkish in the first cases.
I think you mean to say when Edgey goes, "I'll have to think like that man"
(except for that weird moment in the first case, where he's like "No, I won't use his methods... I'll use my own!" and then he... proceeds to use Nick's methods exactly)
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I just thought it was worth mentioning because it does make me a little more optimistic for GS6 considering some characters were a little messily handled
Also, I hope Badd appears in GK3 now that we know he worked with Gregory. It would be nice to see him bring it up to Miles considering he didn't do so in I-4 or I-5
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I realized something. EVERY single character who appeared in GK was improved in GK2 (Edgeworth, Gumshoe, Kay, Lang, Badd, Von Karma, and Ema). The only ones who don't fit are Larry and Franziska. Larry........is Larry. Franziska didn't really worsen. She was just so significantly better in GK that she was "worse" in GK2 because she spent less time in the game. I still love what the team did with her
I just thought it was worth mentioning because it does make me a little more optimistic for GS6 considering some characters were a little messily handled
Also, I hope Badd appears in GK3 now that we know he worked with Gregory. It would be nice to see him bring it up to Miles considering he didn't do so in I-4 or I-5
I just thought it was worth mentioning because it does make me a little more optimistic for GS6 considering some characters were a little messily handled
Also, I hope Badd appears in GK3 now that we know he worked with Gregory. It would be nice to see him bring it up to Miles considering he didn't do so in I-4 or I-5
I don't really know how Gumshoe improved. He seemed to have the same schtick to me and plot-wise I recall he helped out more in AAI actually. Otherwise I guess you're right.
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I don't really know how Gumshoe improved. He seemed to have the same schtick to me and plot-wise I recall he helped out more in AAI actually. Otherwise I guess you're right.
Hmm. I don't know. In AAI2, he felt more like a friend to Edgeworth and I like his mini arc in Cases 4 and 5 (plus that salary raise at the end actually choked me up a little). I don't have a problem with Gumshoe's characterization in AAI like most people who say he was flanderized, but I do have a problem with Edgeworth's characterization towards Gumshoe in the first game. I mean, I know Edgeworth doesn't treat Gumshoe that well in the OT, but he's just downright cruel to him in GK. It was very off-putting
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This game makes me want and not want an Investigations 3.
Same boat :/
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Yes, why can't we just get both GS6 AND GK3 the same year!? I think I would've prefered Takumi to have made GS6 as a continuation of AJAA and GS5 while Yamazaki and Eshiro started on GK3, but nevermind.
I'd also prefer Takumi to work on GS6 (mostly because I'm afraid Yamazaki is going to abandon the Gramarye subplot altogether) but it might be impossible for him now. Who knows if GS5 introduced things that would conflict with the direction Takumi wanted to take the story in?
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Yes, why can't we just get both GS6 AND GK3 the same year!? I think I would've prefered Takumi to have made GS6 as a continuation of AJAA and GS5 while Yamazaki and Eshiro started on GK3, but nevermind. DGS may just blow my mind with its awesomeness when it's shown at TGS in three weeks from now.
Because Japanese Gyakuten games come out every other year.
Forever.
(If you look at the original Japanese releases of AA, JFA, T&T, AJ, AAI, GK2, and DD... yeah. It isn't completely true, because there was only one year between AA and JFA, and three years between T&T and AJ, but it still evens out to two years per release. Which is why we're getting DGS in 2015.)
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1.Getting to play as Gregory Edgeworth in case 3
2. Edgeworth's dad theme
3. The final case wasn't as long and drawn out like turnabout ablaze was
Things I didn't like in GK2
1.Kay she's just there and completely useless
2. the background music
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Compared to GS, it's so awkward to me.
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Look at GK2-5 , patrica got put on trial after the result of case gk2-2 so safe to assume they go to trial after edgeworth finds them guilty.
In the AA series if your client is declared guilty judge says they surrender to high court in one months time for sentencing so I guess when the real criminal confesses the same happens with them or they have their own trial.
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I really enjoyed this game overall, the translation team did an incredible job on it and I was impressed to see pop culture references still working despite being translated from another culture. The true villain (while I did see him coming) I thought was a good match for Edgeworth, someone who pulls strings and is clearly very clever at manipulating people and the system seems more on Edgeworth's level than someone who is just like "Nope EXTRATERRITORIAL RIGHTS!" Points off for too many recurring characters in the final case really limiting the mastermind potential (like hell Penny Nichols or Will Powers are capable of murder).
Again points to them for managing to tie every case into something important, even the flashback case had some relevance which was interesting. Even then it was great to see Detective Badd again, plus clashing with Manfred Von Karma is pretty cool. Playing as Gregory was neat too, though I didn't quite get his damage animation. He like jumped a little and grabbed onto his hat to ensure it survives the verbal blow then afterwards he's GRINNING slightly. In anime terms it's like he's some kind of sadomasochistic maniac who gets stronger as he takes more pain. It just seemed off for his character to me but hey he's cool enough.
I'd have liked it if Sebastian had been involved more in the finale, it felt weird that despite being a major player of sorts in all the cases they would leave him out of the big finale...while they still have bit players like Lotta Heart standing around. Again I agree they really needed a better reason for Kay to be involved in the cases but I can't think how they could have done it (short of making case 4 happen first putting Kay in jeopardy). Franziska's involvement is always a little strange as well I feel. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing her get involved but there's times when I'm just thinking "You're Edgeworth's equal or close to it, get involved more" rather than letting Edgeworth do all the work. I guess I just would have liked more of her, but she had to share limelight with a lot of people I suppose. Same with Raymond Shields. I LOVED Raymond Shields, this super-chilled, super-mellow defence attorney who switches to serious mode at the drop of a hat. His theme's incredible as well, but again with so many characters I felt he was pushed to the side at times and should have been involved more in the finale (moreso than doing a song and dance routine to distract the bad guy that was just absurd). I'd have liked it if we'd actually been able to play as him or see him do more serious things rather than bluff his way out of everything.
I think the whole "Prosecutor or Defence Attorney" thing gets very confusing at times. I get Edgeworth wants to find the truth and all but he spends so much time as a defence attorney this game you'd think he'd understand he can do it on both sides of the field. I just think the lines the writers are painting are incredibly blurry, I mean I know he ends up as Chief Prosecutor and I figure the only reason he chose Prosecutor in the end is because they have more influence over the rules of law at the end of the day and he'd rather make systematic changes than save people personally in court? It's very confusing and I'm not sure what the game is trying to say with Edgeworth's motivation here or the role of Prosecutors and Attorneys but maybe it's just going over my head.
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1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIrfC36KvTg
2. I saw it as a nervous grin
3. Yeah, I would've liked Kay to do more in the finale
4. Jill Crane presumably had that burn on her hand for a long, long time (maybe childhood accident?). She was embarrassed about it so she always worse gloves. Blaise used this to prove that he couldn't be the man in the recording saying, "You can't hide those burns", but Edgeworth ended up proving that Jill was talking to Blaise in that instance, not the other way around. Her burns are just a red herring for that piece of evidence
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Playing as Gregory was neat too, though I didn't quite get his damage animation. He like jumped a little and grabbed onto his hat to ensure it survives the verbal blow then afterwards he's GRINNING slightly. In anime terms it's like he's some kind of sadomasochistic maniac who gets stronger as he takes more pain.
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2. I saw it as a nervous grin
Interesting, I saw it more as a different kind of grin. Err, how do I explain this... I read an example of this recently, too, but I can't really remember it...
It's like when two guys fight against each other, and in the end, both of them lie exhausted on the ground, panting and grinning. One saying "You... You weren't so bad, heh..." and the other "You too... You too..."
It's like that! Only they are verbal/logical blows instead of physical blows. Also less exhaustion.
(Now I just need to remember where I pulled this example from...)
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Overall though the main problem with GK is that it feels somewhat meaningless. I mean you're solving these crimes and you usually end up arresting the culprit, but what happens after that? The main GS games took the important part of the criminal story, the part where the accused's fate was actually decided. In GK you just arrest them and it's as if assumed they're automatically convicted in their following case.
Look at GK2-5 , patrica got put on trial after the result of case gk2-2 so safe to assume they go to trial after edgeworth finds them guilty.
In the AA series if your client is declared guilty judge says they surrender to high court in one months time for sentencing so I guess when the real criminal confesses the same happens with them or they have their own trial.[/quote]
To me the whole point of the Investigations games is to catch the culprit before they flee or destroy evidence. Like in GK2-2, the killer would have destroyed the last piece of evidence if Edgeworth hadn't intervened.
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If I may be blunt, the localization effort - while done well enough to be called "professional" - was lacking in comparison to the official one. I enjoyed all the little references I could find, but they weren't the issue. One problem I have is the lack of unique or funny moments outside of those that were already in the game to begin with. Aside from some particular jokes that wouldn't translate to English well in the first place, the rest of the game seems a bit bland once translated. Even AAI had its moments outside of the original Japanese script.
Another regards the translations themselves. It's perfectly fine to translate some things a bit literally, especially if there's no other legitimate way to put it, but other times, the language just seems too repetitive (and Japanese is naturally repetitive if you don't pay much attention to connotation). For example, I never associated the words "Good grief" very much with Edgeworth, but by the end of this fan patch, I had little choice but to. And what's with all the emphasis on "nooks and crannies"? I understand it's a running gag, but even gags lose their taste after being used over and over. (And then there's the issue I have of Lang addressing Franziska with "sis". He only does that in the Japanese version, thank you.)
Now, I felt most annoyed by Edgeworth's indecisiveness regarding his life like some confused teenager, but that has nothing to do with the localization team, so I'll leave it at that.
Otherwise, I thoroughly enjoyed this game. This recent run has reminded me why I enjoyed my first run so much in the first place. I may have forgotten a few details here and there (like how friggin' long the third case is, wow; and the fifth case only feels longer because we're jumping around places). I also may have ended up misjudging a few characters due to muddle memories, and for that, I formally apologize to them.
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Re: Thoughts on AAI2 (SPOILERS)
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
(And then there's the issue I have of Lang addressing Franziska with "sis". He only does that in the Japanese version, thank you.)
What? He calls her "sis" in the official English version of AAI.
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