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If upvotes were a thing on this site, I'd give you one.
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I also found some of the contradictions to be too contrived... sorta like, suddently there's a new object or something that's been hamfisted into the case just to make sure there's a certain contradiction and it feels a bit cheap. I'm struggling to find a good example, but I will replay case 3 soon.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Linkenski, do you press every statesman during testimony?
Obviously a typo, but still, you can actually press statesmen in the GK series...
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I decided to do a thorough typo count on the game so I got all the hints during the testimony and they were really too obvious. They could have just dropped in one or two hints but they usually dumped a bunch on you and basically told you what you had to do to continue with the testimony. I don't understand why they gave you so many hints when you could simply use the consultation feature. Maybe you just wouldn't want to get penalized…?
The investigations were easier. A lot easier. I didn't really mind too much, though since in the previous games you could easily get stuck on some investigations because you didn't present a piece of evidence or a profile to to someone even though it looks like it has nothing to do with the person. Anyway, the investigations in this game are so simplified you don't need the checklist since you're automatically taken where you need to go most of the time.
I felt like the game was treating me like a little kid who needed everything spelt out to me which made it not as fun as pointing out a contradiction then 'rubbing in the witness's face'.
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Ash wrote:
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Linkenski, do you press every statesman during testimony?
Obviously a typo, but still, you can actually press statesmen in the GK series...
There are several cases of literal pressing too, throughout the series. They aren't as informative, but they are just as or more dramatic.
Sorry if I end up derailing the thread.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Linkenski, do you press every statesman statement during testimony? For me, that's usually when the answer was given away instead of hinted at
Currently I'm replaying the game with the cases in chronological order, and I'm at 5-3 right now. I don't think there are enough of those kinds of moments you speak of to make the game too easy "as a whole", but maybe I'm just not paying attention or something. I'd also like to add that I like the fact that in the later cases the "consult" option doesn't give away the full answer. It merely shows you which statement needs to be done something to, and then you have to figure out yourself whether it's a press, or what to present.
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However, even when the game was strongly hinting (read: flat-out telling me) that
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I was seriously so stunned that I had to triple-check the walkthrough before submitting my answer. So. Easy? Yes. Still threw me for a loop? YES.
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Yes, although personally I didn't think it detracted much from the overall experience because I'm kind of dumb and easily frustrated I've never had any difficulties figuring things out in the first place.
However, even when the game was strongly hinting (read: flat-out telling me) that
I was seriously so stunned that I had to triple-check the walkthrough before submitting my answer. So. Easy? Yes. Still threw me for a loop? YES.
However, even when the game was strongly hinting (read: flat-out telling me) that
Spoiler: THE ULTIMATE DUAL DESTINIES SPOILER
I was seriously so stunned that I had to triple-check the walkthrough before submitting my answer. So. Easy? Yes. Still threw me for a loop? YES.
It actually shocks me more that people were surprised by this. I had my suspicions before the game was even released, but it's not like they didn't strongly hint at it towards the end.
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To be fair, though, the thought hadn't occurred to me until by case 4, where the core of the plot actually began. Until then, the transition into chaos was still pretty gradual until all hell broke loose once Blacky did.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the team ran out of time to better develop their story. It honestly could have been better, and I don't think Yamazaki is that inexperienced with writing for a mainstream game, even if this is his first official numbered GS game.
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They practically gave you a list (the notes section in the court record) that says exactly what you have to do and what order you have to do it. Also, there should have been more places to investigate. For example...
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I only hope that the next game will be better.
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My problem is that the game doesn't allow you to really choose what kind of hints you want displayed to you. They should take note of Murder mystery games like CSI (no way near as good as Ace Attorney) and allow you to choose whether you want your pointer to highlight under evidence, whether you want consulting as an available option, and whether or not to have a penalty bar. Also I was really fed up with how they would SHOW you the evidence you needed to present right before you had to present it. That really annoyed me.
Other than that I don't really mind too much about the game's difficulty. Although with a case as long as Case 2, they NEVER should have showed the killers face in the intro. That annoys me so much. I actually like doing all of the leg work to figure it out.
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-First, game gives you tutorials for everything even if you already finished the game.
-Second, the case is the comeback of forensics investigation... except Luminol is just a single spray on the spot and fingerprints analysis is done offscreen from someone else.
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I was pretty disappointed at how little the penalty was when I get stuff wrong. I really missed those "asdfgkl ONE MISTAKE BYE BYE ALL LIFE-"
Then again, I think it wouldn't have been as easy for me if I haven't played the past games... cause like... I got experience from those y'know XD
My brother on the other hand who hadn't played for a veeery long time actually had some difficulty
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Every time I play Reclaimed I fail at "The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright" :(.
I remember getting stuck there for a while... though rather than challenging, I just found it annoying cause by that time, I've pretty much figured out the whole thing, I just didn't know how to present it <_<
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OMG YES!! And the fact that this isn't the only kind of blatant hint that was given for several OTHER types of evidence that needed to be presented. I hated whenever they would flashback to a certain contradictory evidence and then have you present it just seconds later. The previous games rarely did this unless you stumbled upon a seemingly unimportant evidence that actually had major significance later on. This is what most mystery novels do. They turn what may seem to be red herrings into plot twists. AA5 however seemed to virtually checklist everything for you and then guide you in the direction of the plot twists. It felt very Kindergarten through 5th Grade for me.
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In my opinion, the game is certainly easier: the number of hints and dialogue (and flashbacks, and blatant instructions...) accounts for more than half of the "thinking" a player would have to do in the previous games. It just downright explains a lot of guidance, making the "figuring out" more like "following instructions." Personally this not only frustrated me, but took me out of the enjoyment and immersion of the game. I've heard the argument they did this for new players, which I certainly can't discredit given this is my favorite game series and I've got 6 others in the series under my belt. I can certainly imagine others not minding it though; I've gotten quite experienced with "murder mysteries" and it's quite plausible this didn't have the same effect on others as it did me.
My biggest qualm with the game though is the absolute linearity of the investigations. Not sure if this is quite what the thread is about but I noticed a strong lack of gameplay involving "hmm do I have to present something now or do I have to investigate further," not to mention the "have I investigated everything?!" and "where should I go to find more clues?!" is downright impossible with the way they made the game. I really enjoyed this in the original trilogy, and it's the basics of why MASON was so much fun. Dual Destinies feels downright wrong without it.
This being said, I still enjoyed my personal (and a bit uncommon) habit of attempting to figure out everything before the last trial of a case. What Dual Destinies lacks in gameplay it more than makes up for with yet another cast of uniquely human characters, funny dialogue, and a stunningly effective plot. It may be "easier," but with Ace Attorney it is all relative since the game series as a whole is among the greatest.
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At any rate, I, too, was disappointed in the lack of new features. I also hated the fact that you could only closely examine evidence when there was some specific reason to, which I believe only happened twice. I liked in Apollo Justice where you could check out ALL of the evidence whenever you liked as closely as you wanted to. I was pretty alright with there not being anything with fingerprint powder despite how cool it was though, since my 3DS mic isn't working all that well :'3
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However I surprisingly found myself missing the occasional aimless wandering of previous games, not because I particularly enjoyed spending ages trying to figure out what to do next in past games, but because DD made me realise that the alternative isn't any better: only being able to examine certain environments, having your hand held with such heavy guidance while you do, only being able to examine evidence when the plot demands it rather than anytime all the time etc. I understand that this was done to resolve the frequent complaints of past games, but I just don't feel like this is the answer. Aimless wandering is better than feeling like a purported 'Video GAME' isn't giving you any sort of free will. Better to have the illusion of it even when you're just following a series of pre-determined steps, than to just be guided through said pre-determined steps and made to feel like your only real job is to tap the stylus along while the characters get on with it.
This I felt, made the investigation sections even more dull than they'd been in past games. If things went back to how they were, and if Phoenix lent his magatama to Apollo and Athena when he was off-duty (seriously, there's no reason not to, it's been established that anyone can use a magatama if they know what they're doing) then I feel it would be a thorough improvement.
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I don't see why you guys would think it's too easy. None of the PW games are "hard"
Maybe this isn't your intention, but you come off here as "Look at me, I'm smart and don't think things are difficult!"
Your logic is flawed anyhow. Just because Game A isn't hard, doesn't mean that Game B can't be too easy. Game A simply is above the threshold that would've made it "too easy" but below the threshold that would make it "hard", whereas Game B is below both thresholds.
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MBr wrote:
Spoiler: The most obvious hint of all time
Ok this didn't happen, but still
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Really, all they needed to do was take away the obvious hints and change the captions of the evidence in the Court Record (they even have longer descriptions for evidence in the CR, and hardly any of it is useful when its significance is thrown in the player's face).
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Ok this didn't happen, but still
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I actually think the most obvious part of the game was this part here. All we needed Athena to say was, "Here is proof that Robin had read the script to the mock trial before!" but Apollo just goes on and on with his explanation to the point where I think if you got it wrong, you'd be legally retarded
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I'm not sure what to do in in 5-3 in the part where:
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I'm not sure what to do in in 5-3 in the part where:
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