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If anyone is interested, the text on the newspaper with the bearded guy is Russian. Can't see anything beyond the word "revolution", though.
Interesting, I wonder if he has any connection with the Russian Revolution.
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Neifirst wrote:
If anyone is interested, the text on the newspaper with the bearded guy is Russian. Can't see anything beyond the word "revolution", though.
Interesting, I wonder if he has any connection with the Russian Revolution.
Holmes accuses him of being a revolutionary, but apparently Ryuu isn't convinced that he is. Also, I'm just throwing this out, but I think his name is Dimitri
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I am uncomfortable that I'm getting Klavier vibes from Holmes, though. He won't be anything like Klavier, but his mannerisms make him seem a little... young and rash? I mean, we get to argue with his train of logic in case he slips off to a wrong conclusion. But now, I'm getting the image of a variation on DR's logic duel, but without the swords, (or maybe just DR's discussion rounds in general) and it looks amazing. No, scratch that, this whole game looks amazing.
Guessing from the screenshots and what they say about it in the interview, I think the system is very much like the normal questioning mechanics and probably goes like this (note: this is not a translation, just my guess!)
1) Holmes goes on a reasoning rampage, comparable to the 'testifying' sections of the original games. Note that the camera actually moves during this section; in the interview they mention they choose to use 3D assets to keep up with Holmes' speedy deductions. There is probably a dynamic camera that changes per section of the deduction, emphasizing different things (you see more/other angles of the room they're in, things like the newspaper etc). This part is marked 推理中 / Deducing in the screenshots). The difference with 'normal' GS is that this is merely a thinking excercise for Holmes: it's just a theory based on the evidence he has seen and is thus not a testimony about something and actually closer to GK.
2) Naruhodo's part, the 'questioning' part (marked 検討中 / examining in the screenshots). Like always, you point out mistakes in Holmes' deductions (or keep him a bit more grounded to reality) by presenting evidence. Note that this time, objecting might not even be limited just to what Holmes says: there is a screenshot where they are examining the Russian person, so you might actually be able to object to all on the screen in relation to Holmes' deductions, similar to how you could perceive witnesses and not just object to their testimonies in GS4.
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By the way, are those glow sticks by his side? Could be useful; dunno if they'll actually play a role during an investigation. I believe I also see the shape of a flint-lock pistol in Holmes' possession. Well, it's only fair that they both get weapons. Ryuu can't just play bodyguard.
Tubes with some material for scientific tests, probably. Holmes was a pioneer in the field of forensics. And Holmes (and Watson) carried pistols very often, so I wouldn't be surprised at a weapon.
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Guessing from the screenshots and what they say about it in the interview, I think the system is very much like the normal questioning mechanics and probably goes like this (note: this is not a translation, just my guess!)
1) Holmes goes on a reasoning rampage, comparable to the 'testifying' sections of the original games. Note that the camera actually moves during this section; in the interview they mention they choose to use 3D assets to keep up with Holmes' speedy deductions. There is probably a dynamic camera that changes per section of the deduction, emphasizing different things (you see more/other angles of the room they're in, things like the newspaper etc). This part is marked 推理中 / Deducing in the screenshots). The difference with 'normal' GS is that this is merely a thinking excercise for Holmes: it's just a theory based on the evidence he has seen and is thus not a testimony about something and actually closer to GK.
2) Naruhodo's part, the 'questioning' part (marked 検討中 / examining in the screenshots). Like always, you point out mistakes in Holmes' deductions (or keep him a bit more grounded to reality) by presenting evidence. Note that this time, objecting might not even be limited just to what Holmes says: there is a screenshot where they are examining the Russian person, so you might actually be able to object to all on the screen in relation to Holmes' deductions, similar to how you could perceive witnesses and not just object to their testimonies in GS4.
1) Holmes goes on a reasoning rampage, comparable to the 'testifying' sections of the original games. Note that the camera actually moves during this section; in the interview they mention they choose to use 3D assets to keep up with Holmes' speedy deductions. There is probably a dynamic camera that changes per section of the deduction, emphasizing different things (you see more/other angles of the room they're in, things like the newspaper etc). This part is marked 推理中 / Deducing in the screenshots). The difference with 'normal' GS is that this is merely a thinking excercise for Holmes: it's just a theory based on the evidence he has seen and is thus not a testimony about something and actually closer to GK.
2) Naruhodo's part, the 'questioning' part (marked 検討中 / examining in the screenshots). Like always, you point out mistakes in Holmes' deductions (or keep him a bit more grounded to reality) by presenting evidence. Note that this time, objecting might not even be limited just to what Holmes says: there is a screenshot where they are examining the Russian person, so you might actually be able to object to all on the screen in relation to Holmes' deductions, similar to how you could perceive witnesses and not just object to their testimonies in GS4.
I figured so. Adding a time limit would put unnecessary difficulty/complexity into a simple mechanic. I'm curious if there's any penalty system to this, and if it's possible to lose during the investigation parts. For example, losing could involve arresting the wrong person, and Ryuu might not get a chance to stand in court. I've been waiting for a GS game that expands on the investigation parts.
I also love the fact that the backgrounds are in 3D. We might not get a chance to sit in that chair, but we can move in closer to take a peek around
Also, this:
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Like always, you point out mistakes in Holmes' deductions (or keep him a bit more grounded to reality) by presenting evidence.
The comedy potential is very strong.
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As a Londoner, I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the hand I love seeing London in video game form, but in the other, I get more annoyed by inaccuracies and I was looking forward to a game set in Meiji Japan (the courtroom in the trailer looked amazing) At least this means the game is one step closer to being localised. Shu Takumi seems to have fallen in love with writing Professor Layton, so I guess he just needed another English detective
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Edit:And just caught the Watson. Much like her design actually.
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Regardless, I'm very intrigued with the direction Takumi is taking with this. I'll need to see footage of the game before I can say anything definite on the aesthetics, but I really hope that they retain the charm the models from AA:DD have.
And are there names for the bearded man and the man who seems to be testifying?
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What if Sherlock yells out Elementary! as his catchphrase?
I'd say it's a given that it'll happen, but not as a shout word. In fact, the phrase is so famous, the Japanese script most likely will include the word itself. As a result, it'll be too long to fit with the usual short 2-4 morae/syllables of all the other Japanese shout words.
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Fun fact: Sherlock Holmes never actually said "elementary, my dear Watson" in any of the stories from Doyle. Regardless, I'm very intrigued with the direction Takumi is taking with this. I'll need to see footage of the game before I can say anything definite on the aesthetics, but I really hope that they retain the charm the models from AA:DD have.
And are there names for the bearded man and the man with the glasses?
And are there names for the bearded man and the man with the glasses?
I assume the butler's name is Hosonaka [something], unless someone else was speaking in that frame, but I doubt it. Holmes does bring up the name of a revolutionary in one shot, but it might not be the name of that bearded man. Still, I assume he's talking about him and charging him as said revolutionary; it's along the lines of Dimitri Demigras. (But we can just call him the Russian D for now.)
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And what's with the two courtrooms in the picture? The one on the left seems to be where the butler is testifying, but the second courtroom looks more English to me, so I imagine that's the courtroom in London. This means that the other courtroom seems to be the one in Japan, and that means the butler character is part of the first case since the info did state that the first case takes place in Japan.
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Alternatively they could do what they did with Kurain; a very Japanese looking little area of america. It's just a possibility. Either way, I'm looking rather forward to this. Was just sharing info with a friend and she actually called bull until I showed her the scans the info was translated from which made me chuckle a tad. Almost as much as the apparent joint reasoning being you telling one of the greatest detectives in history just how wrong he is.
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AnsweringNOW wrote:
So is there any indication for what the first case seems to be like from the dialogue and other info?
And what's with the two courtrooms in the picture? The one on the left seems to be where the butler is testifying, but the second courtroom looks more English to me, so I imagine that's the courtroom in London. This means that the other courtroom seems to be the one in Japan, and that means the butler character is part of the first case since the info did state that the first case takes place in Japan.
And what's with the two courtrooms in the picture? The one on the left seems to be where the butler is testifying, but the second courtroom looks more English to me, so I imagine that's the courtroom in London. This means that the other courtroom seems to be the one in Japan, and that means the butler character is part of the first case since the info did state that the first case takes place in Japan.
There's but a few screens from the first case, but according to the butler, he mentions a restaurant(?) and a doctor/professor who arrives late. I'm just guessing here, but I think that Ryuu's first client may be a professor he knows or at least has met before. He is a university student, after all.
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Also, is there some kind of obscure law in Japan that states that you have to include a loli sidekick in all media?
She's not a loli, or do you think her design is sexualized in any way?
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Lusankya wrote:
NinjaMonkey wrote:
Also, is there some kind of obscure law in Japan that states that you have to include a loli sidekick in all media?
She's not a loli, or do you think her design is sexualized in any way?
I'm quite sure he doesn't mean a sexualized young girl when he says loli. In this case, he simply means a young girl.
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I am really not keen on the "Watson is actually an eight year old girl" idea, and I doubt that I ever will be. As for her being a M.D., that's even more preposterous than Fran passing the Bar Exam at age thirteen!
Also, is there some kind of obscure law in Japan that states that you have to include a loli sidekick in all media?
Also, is there some kind of obscure law in Japan that states that you have to include a loli sidekick in all media?
I'd personally be fine with Watson being an 8-year-old girl. But an 8-year-old successful author and medical doctor... That is just a bit too ridiculous. I can't suspend my disbelief at the moment...
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I'd personally be fine with Watson being an 8-year-old girl. But an 8-year-old successful author and medical doctor... That is just a bit too ridiculous. I can't suspend my disbelief at the moment...
I don't really have any problems with her, since the age doesn't really matter in a game. It'll probably only be used to make jokes and establish quirky character traits anyways.
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Nurio wrote:
Lusankya wrote:
NinjaMonkey wrote:
Also, is there some kind of obscure law in Japan that states that you have to include a loli sidekick in all media?
She's not a loli, or do you think her design is sexualized in any way?
I'm quite sure he doesn't mean a sexualized young girl when he says loli. In this case, he simply means a young girl.
It's extremly weird to use the term this way, considering where it comes from and what it usually means.
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Tiagofvarela wrote:
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I'd personally be fine with Watson being an 8-year-old girl. But an 8-year-old successful author and medical doctor... That is just a bit too ridiculous. I can't suspend my disbelief at the moment...
I don't really have any problems with her, since the age doesn't really matter in a game. It'll probably only be used to make jokes and establish quirky character traits anyways.
Hm? What do you mean age doesn't matter in a game? There are plenty of roles in games that are determined by the age of the character.
(Also, I was wondering how NinjaMonkey said the exact same thing as me... =P)
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It's extremly weird to use the term this way, considering where it comes from and what it usually means.
Really? Though technically loli does indeed refer to a sexualized young female, I've seen it used plenty of times to just refer to a normal young girl in manga/anime.
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Nurio wrote:
Tiagofvarela wrote:
I don't really have any problems with her, since the age doesn't really matter in a game. It'll probably only be used to make jokes and establish quirky character traits anyways.
Hm? What do you mean age doesn't matter in a game? There are plenty of roles in games that are determined by the age of the character.
I'll simply assume I don't play those games, then. I don't see why, in a game, a character couldn't be a young girl and still hold important functions, jobs or abilities. I'm used to seeing it in the media I watch and play, so it didn't faze me in the least.
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(Also, I was wondering how NinjaMonkey said the exact same thing as me... =P)
I usually mess with the quotes. Don't mind me.
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Perhaps Watson was affected by the same poison they used in Detective Conan?
Iris Watson is in fact Irene Adler who after drinking APTX4869 took on the name of Iris Watson. Posing as a MD/writer, she continues her search for the people who did this to her with the help of Holmes. That's why A Scandal in Bohemia is the first story in The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.
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Maybe she's actually the big bad of the game?
Well,after Gk2 and DD,its going to be hard making any other character the villain come off as a surprise,so...
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That's actually pretty much how we got started with Sahwit, White, Vasquez and von Karma.
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Make the most cliché villainous villain often villainously twirling his villainous mustache only for him to actually... turn out to be the villain. Everyone would just reject the idea and think it would too obvious.
That's actually pretty much how we got started with Sahwit, White, Vasquez and von Karma.
That's actually pretty much how we got started with Sahwit, White, Vasquez and von Karma.
Why is it always a mustache? Or a beard?
Nah, I say we go for someone in between... someone like Ron Delite - someone who at first seems pretty suspicious, but you wouldn't expect to be truly villainous, and as it turns out, s/he isn't. However, said someone is still guilty of a different crime altogether and escapes that sentence through a carefully crafted plan, and that's what s/he was really "suspicious" of from the start. As for how the good guys capture this person, it'll be up to how well they can coordinate a counterattack.
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1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
Re: (Full scans up) Dai Gyakuten Saiban features Sherlock Ho
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Sherlock Holmes is going to be in this game? Or at least a character heavily inspired by him? Well, this ought to be interesting.
Re: (Full scans up) Dai Gyakuten Saiban features Sherlock Ho
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Re: (Full scans up) Dai Gyakuten Saiban features Sherlock Ho
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Thane wrote:
I half expect Sherlock Holmes to admit he's actually...well, not the real Sherlock Holmes later on in the game. Anyone with me?
Only if he's actually another Steampunk Robot like Iris, would make his pipe-smoking hilarious in hindsight.
Still nah I don't think they could pull that off. Unless they blatantly admit his exploits are purely fictional and he has a breakdown moment where he's only ever pretended to be really clever.
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