Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Anthony wrote:
I would blame the government and flip them off and say in a loud proud voice "FUCK YOUR SYSTEM!" 
Pfft!
What would the government care about your puny little statement?You're gonna be purged, which according to the media will be being sentenced to live on Pulse (which, in the Japanese version, is written with the kanji below/under and world with Pulse as the furigana, so it is literally referred to as HELL in kanji) but in reality, you're getting gunned down. So what your mom died and you don't like the system? You're a tiny little screw that'll get shot and killed soon enough.
Bottom line: your little way of doing things would serve nothing.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
I've felt worse.
Gender: None specified
Location: I'm at soup.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:18 pm
Posts: 1706
Anthony wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
Hope is just a little whiny bitch in the beginning JUST because he thinks Snow let his mom died.....
Uh. Yeah. So? That's his coping mechanism with having just lost his mom - Anthony, how would YOU have reacted as a 14 year old, you're on vacation with your mom, then suddenly you get stuck into the Purge which consists of sending you to a place that you were told is hell... train crashes, mom opts to fight for your and her safety, then she dies and falls, which FROM AFAR can be seen as having let go - although we know her hand slipped.
Kindly tell me you would not have irrational feelings and blame someone, so you wouldn't break down crying - and be honest about that. I can't think of a single person who would shrug their mother's death off at age 14 so easily (or even when they're older)
C-A
I would blame the government and flip them off and say in a loud proud voice "FUCK YOUR SYSTEM!"
Still wondering why the entire town of Palumpolum is perfectly fine with the government declaring genocide of an entire town to find one person when they could just stripsearch everyone to find that one person. Maybe it's a social commentary about how we let our kids see murder before we let them see sexual behaviors.
"It's never too late to learn that growing old doesn't have to mean growing up. Stay curious, stay weird, stay kind, and don't let anyone ever tell you you aren't smart or brave or worthy enough." -Stanford Pines, Gravity Falls
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
sumguy28 wrote:
Still wondering why the entire town of Palumpolum is perfectly fine with the government declaring genocide of an entire town to find one person when they could just stripsearch everyone to find that one person. Maybe it's a social commentary about how we let our kids see murder before we let them see sexual behaviors.
Because everyone on Cocoon is a moron who blindly follows what they were told - Pulse is TEH EVULZ and if you so much as stand within 3 feet of them, you'll get
As for Yaag Rosch, I know people say that he's actually kinda good cause he wants the civilians to be safe and all... but I don't see it. He's just as much an extremist as all the others.
And now I really, really feel like having curry...
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
The Chocolateholic of CR
Gender: Male
Location: Unknown
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:40 am
Posts: 2818
The Dragovian King and Captain Of The Ragnarok Ship and Owner of The Ragnarok Ranch.
I'm a ♌ since 1990 of August 10th. Better Recognize.
3DS FC:2535-5065-3560
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
Quote:
Yes. As sumguy says, Snow on one hand does a huge act out in the open for dozens of people to see which basically re-confirms their spoonfed/known idea that Pulse l'Cie = bloodthirsty monster that isn't above killing me for the freaking fun of it... and then later steps outside with a speech that, yes, he may be a Pulse l'Cie but he is a human just like the people in PSICOM and Yaag Rosch and all. KIND OF hard to put those two together, said by the same person, and think he is write in what he did.
*shrugs* He did what was right for the situation. It might not have made consistent sense...but Snow doesn't care about maintaining an 'evil' persona so that the Cocoon media can portray him correctly (odds are they probably propaganda the party's adventures into monstrous levels anyway). In one scenario he wanted to drive people away and save lives and the effective way to do that was by having them believe he was a monster. If they'd not done anything and there were civilian casualties in the fight the L'Cie would be blamed anyway and he'd still be a monster.
In another scenario (if I recall correctly) it was an even more public scenario (with cameras and the such or was it that moment in the stadium?) where he wanted to appeal to people against the Purge. It's not unreasonable, after all he founded a group of like-minded youths himself and there were people who would almost certainly have lost friends and family to the Purges without any objection who would understand and empathise with his speech. He does the right thing for the separate situation, he might not think too much about consistency but he's already portrayed as a monster so I doubt it would have made a difference by the time he claimed "L'Cie are human too".
Quote:
As for the line, I honestly don't remember what the localization translated it as, but it's when Snow and Hope are in a pipe and Snow says something about fighting. Hope, annoyed, asks him if he's saying that people are idiots if they choose to fight for something. Snow replies with "if you die, then yeah".
Like... wow. Seriously, Snow? Care to rub a bit more salt into that wound?
Like... wow. Seriously, Snow? Care to rub a bit more salt into that wound?
You got a source? Your memory seems kinda fuzzy and a line like that seems out of character or a freedom fighter like himself.
Quote:
Then again, I know I'm close to the scene where Hope finally blows up at Snow (thank you!) and then Snow's apology... which I recall seeing as being incredibly forced, since he actually had a kid that had a knife with which he wanted to kill Snow in his hand, on his back. But we'll see, maybe I'm remembering the scene a little off.
Yeah I'd imagine it's incredibly forced, Snow did nothing to make Nora sacrifice herself, didn't enlist her or anything, she took action on her own. Hope is being an unreasonable insane little kid who doesn't really have ground to stand on with his argument. He was probably just telling the kid what he wanted in an attempt to calm him down as he didn't really have anything to apologise for.
Quote:
Uh. Yeah. So? That's his coping mechanism with having just lost his mom - Anthony, how would YOU have reacted as a 14 year old, you're on vacation with your mom, then suddenly you get stuck into the Purge which consists of sending you to a place that you were told is hell... train crashes, mom opts to fight for your and her safety, then she dies and falls, which FROM AFAR can be seen as having let go - although we know her hand slipped.
Kindly tell me you would not have irrational feelings and blame someone, so you wouldn't break down crying - and be honest about that. I can't think of a single person who would shrug their mother's death off at age 14 so easily (or even when they're older)
Kindly tell me you would not have irrational feelings and blame someone, so you wouldn't break down crying - and be honest about that. I can't think of a single person who would shrug their mother's death off at age 14 so easily (or even when they're older)
I can understand why he did what he did, doesn't really mean I have to like him. Also kinda wished he'd realise Snow wasn't the monster a little sooner given Snow spent a great deal of time looking out for him and trying to protect him when everyone split up. Hope isn't meant to be portrayed as likeable for that moment (well unless you REALLY hate Snow) way I see it as it's clear he's acting irrationally. I just don't think they really gave him enough character outside of his arc with Snow and Nora to really make him seem anything more than just this angry kid we're meant to feel sorry for. It's a miracle to me he made it into such a distinguished role in the sequels
Quote:
Bottom line: your little way of doing things would serve nothing.
Unless Anthony eventually joined up with a bunch of like-minded rebels and crusaded against them killing off the Fal'Cie one by one and eventually bringing an end to Cocoon...oh wait that's kinda what happened.
Quote:
Still wondering why the entire town of Palumpolum is perfectly fine with the government declaring genocide of an entire town to find one person when they could just stripsearch everyone to find that one person. Maybe it's a social commentary about how we let our kids see murder before we let them see sexual behaviors.
Cause XIII is a bad game with a terrible plot and a nonsensical ending.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
In one scenario he wanted to drive people away and save lives and the effective way to do that was by having them believe he was a monster. If they'd not done anything and there were civilian casualties in the fight the L'Cie would be blamed anyway and he'd still be a monster.
Look, I just played through that scene. They go into the mass of civilians and a PSICOM guy sees them, looks at them and asks "Are you okay?"... then Snow punches him, takes his weapon and starts firing into the air, proclaiming his evil, evil l'Cie status.
Had Snow done the thing that seems impossible for him to do - ie. Shut his mouth and not do anything - they could've easily continued walking through the civilian masses and even passed them, without anyone noticing they were l'Cie. Even if Snow is the only moron from the group to not somehow even attempt to hide his brand.
Fact is, that "plan" of Snow's was incredibly pointless.
Quote:
It's a miracle to me he made it into such a distinguished role in the sequels
Actually, his role is more important in LR. That of
As early as Chapter 5, when he initially comes up with the plan of Operation Nora, Hope flat out admits he knows that taking revenge on Snow won't change anything. He says it again when he tried, failed and then gives up on the Operation. So at least Hope isn't that irrational into realizing that his plan is dumb. Which I have to say, is better than other characters I've encountered in other places.
But Snow just protects him, says he'll keep everyone safe and save Sera and, you know, the typical banter he keeps talking about. Then he does that dumb line. And then Hope blows up at him about the entire Hanged Edge incident and then, when Snow apologizes, he says it's been bothering him the entire time...
...I've said it before, I find it hard to believe or even know that, because Snow disappears off-screen except for one or two cameos until Chapter 7. He's gone for 4 Chapters. Then the kid suddenly blows up at him and threatens to kill him and Snow apologizes... I still find that apology forced.
Quote:
I can understand why he did what he did, doesn't really mean I have to like him.
Of course you don't. As I say about other people who tell me that a character I hate is realistic - just because a character is realistic, doesn't automatically mean it (the idea) or they are good or even likeable.
Quote:
Unless Anthony eventually joined up with a bunch of like-minded rebels and crusaded against them killing off the Fal'Cie one by one and eventually bringing an end to Cocoon...oh wait that's kinda what happened.
Yeah, let's ignore the part where Anthony probably WOULDN'T have followed Snow (since he wouldn't blame him) into the Vestige, be made a l'Cie and then practically forced onto a journey to make him strong enough to kill those people. He would've died as the other Purgers at Hanged Edge/Lake Bresha at the end of Chapter 2.
Quote:
Cause XIII is a bad game with a terrible plot and a nonsensical ending.
The goddamn Ending makes sense. Better than a non-ending VII had that answered nothing.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
Quote:
Look, I just played through that scene. They go into the mass of civilians and a PSICOM guy sees them, looks at them and asks "Are you okay?"... then Snow punches him, takes his weapon and starts firing into the air, proclaiming his evil, evil l'Cie status.
Had Snow done the thing that seems impossible for him to do - ie. Shut his mouth and not do anything - they could've easily continued walking through the civilian masses and even passed them, without anyone noticing they were l'Cie. Even if Snow is the only moron from the group to not somehow even attempt to hide his brand.
Fact is, that "plan" of Snow's was incredibly pointless.
Had Snow done the thing that seems impossible for him to do - ie. Shut his mouth and not do anything - they could've easily continued walking through the civilian masses and even passed them, without anyone noticing they were l'Cie. Even if Snow is the only moron from the group to not somehow even attempt to hide his brand.
Fact is, that "plan" of Snow's was incredibly pointless.
Please show me it, so I can refresh my memory of the matter. Both our opinions might be highly distorted.
Quote:
Actually, his role is more important in LR. That of Lightning's lover well actually it's a spoiler, his entire role... Joke (or is it?) aside, Hope is the most realistic FF character I have seen portrayed to date. Majority of the XIII cast are - if you want to explain Sazh just say he's a normal, single father worried about his son and you hit it on the nail. It's part of the reason people like him. As for Hope, I don't see why he should have forigven Snow earlier or realized he wasn't a monster.
As early as Chapter 5, when he initially comes up with the plan of Operation Nora, Hope flat out admits he knows that taking revenge on Snow won't change anything. He says it again when he tried, failed and then gives up on the Operation. So at least Hope isn't that irrational into realizing that his plan is dumb. Which I have to say, is better than other characters I've encountered in other places.
As early as Chapter 5, when he initially comes up with the plan of Operation Nora, Hope flat out admits he knows that taking revenge on Snow won't change anything. He says it again when he tried, failed and then gives up on the Operation. So at least Hope isn't that irrational into realizing that his plan is dumb. Which I have to say, is better than other characters I've encountered in other places.
I was including LR in "the sequels". I just think they took one of the more bland and boring characters and decided to put him front and centre and honestly the games are worse for it in my eyes. But hey, some folks liked Hope so whatever.
Quote:
But Snow just protects him, says he'll keep everyone safe and save Sera and, you know, the typical banter he keeps talking about. Then he does that dumb line. And then Hope blows up at him about the entire Hanged Edge incident and then, when Snow apologizes, he says it's been bothering him the entire time...
Yeah...Snow protecting a kid that's trying to kill him because he promised the mother he'd get him home safely...what a jerk. Also Serah made it plain it's all just his bluster to help Snow cope with his problems, he talks big to protect himself more than anyone else. After all first time everything goes wrong for Snow and he fails to protect Serah he breaks down and his freaking Eidolon shows up to kill him for it.
Also again....got a source for that line? But sure I can see why the apology would be insincere at the time.
Quote:
The goddamn Ending makes sense. Better than a non-ending VII had that answered nothing.
Party: We're gonna fight you and thereby fight our fate!
Bossman: You're going to do exactly what we want!
Party: Shut up and die!
Bossman: That's exactly what we want! That's exactly your fate!
Party: Well we sure showed him that fate is worthless!
Bossman: Dying now suckers, enjoy your apocalypse.
Party: Yeaaah! Suck it fate!
Party: Ugghhhh we're zombies!
*two seconds later*
Party: We're not? Why? Who cares! We won!
Planet falls from the sky, molten destruction EVERYWHERE, planet is then encased in crystal. Man things seem pretty ba-oh wait everyone is just climbing down the crystal like it's not a massive apocalyptic event that would have killed everyone. Good times.
Party bumbles about at the end with no real idea of what is going on...as does the player.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
I was including LR in "the sequels". I just think they took one of the more bland and boring characters and decided to put him front and centre and honestly the games are worse for it in my eyes. But hey, some folks liked Hope so whatever.
Snow is too busy in XIII-2 wandering around the timeline and in LR, he's too busy moping around after Sera for the last 500 years. Fang and Vanilla, well, in XIII-2 they were still in crystal and in LR, Vanilla was too busy guilt-tripping herself about what her actions had caused in XIII and is practically suicidal, Fang is too busy trying to keep Vanilla from self-destroying herself and Sazh, well, in XIII-2 he got shafted because without Doji, they have nothing for him. And LR, he's moping cause he can't find his son's soul.
So by order of selection, Hope was the only one left.
Quote:
Please show me it, so I can refresh my memory of the matter. Both our opinions might be highly distorted.
Lemme quick check YouTube... Here you go, the scene starts at 22:05 and if the link is working properly, it should skip to 22:00 or 22:05 from the get go.
Just FYI, in the Japanese version, PSICOM guy says "Mh? You okay?" (in Japanese of course) before getting punched.
Quote:
Also again....got a source for that line? But sure I can see why the apology would be insincere at the time.
A~n~d... here you go, scene begins at 30:45 and the lines themselves are said at 31:14. The translation is slightly different from what the Japanese version said, but yes, that is pretty much spot on what Snow said in the Japanese version, too.
Quote:
Planet falls from the sky, molten destruction EVERYWHERE, planet is then encased in crystal. Man things seem pretty ba-oh wait everyone is just climbing down the crystal like it's not a massive apocalyptic event that would have killed everyone. Good times.
Party bumbles about at the end with no real idea of what is going on...as does the player.
Party bumbles about at the end with no real idea of what is going on...as does the player.
I got a link a few days ago that showed scenes of the final fight that proved Etro was doing stuff from the get go, but I don't have it on me right now. As for the Ending, they were turned into Cie'th to make Fang and Vanilla despair more, turn into Ragnarok and kill Orphan already. Turned back (English translation made it more appear that the Cie'th part was just an illusion) and hello, ending?
Check the Focus vision they have. It's identical to what happens in the ending. And it was revealed, yes, Etro was the one who made the party turn out from Crystal Stasis except for Vanilla and Fang. Also, while not EVERYONE died, it is revealed that people did die during Ragnarok's movement. It just wasn't everyone.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
The Chocolateholic of CR
Gender: Male
Location: Unknown
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:40 am
Posts: 2818
The Dragovian King and Captain Of The Ragnarok Ship and Owner of The Ragnarok Ranch.
I'm a ♌ since 1990 of August 10th. Better Recognize.
3DS FC:2535-5065-3560
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
Quote:
Snow is too busy in XIII-2 wandering around the timeline and in LR, he's too busy moping around after Sera for the last 500 years. Fang and Vanilla, well, in XIII-2 they were still in crystal and in LR, Vanilla was too busy guilt-tripping herself about what her actions had caused in XIII and is practically suicidal, Fang is too busy trying to keep Vanilla from self-destroying herself and Sazh, well, in XIII-2 he got shafted because without Doji, they have nothing for him. And LR, he's moping cause he can't find his son's soul.
So by order of selection, Hope was the only one left.
So by order of selection, Hope was the only one left.
Well how they handled Snow and Sazh was dumb in XIII-2. Sazh was one of the more popular characters and they sealed him behind a paywall effectively nullifying him from the main plot.
They had to shaft Snow out of the plot in order to introduce Noel as Serah's partner. Otherwise he'd end up a third wheel (like he ultimately does in the paradox ending where Snow saves everything) and feel pointless.
Horrible decisions that hurt the game.
Quote:
Lemme quick check YouTube... Here you go, the scene starts at 22:05 and if the link is working properly, it should skip to 22:00 or 22:05 from the get go.
Just FYI, in the Japanese version, PSICOM guy says "Mh? You okay?" (in Japanese of course) before getting punched.
Just FYI, in the Japanese version, PSICOM guy says "Mh? You okay?" (in Japanese of course) before getting punched.
Ok...Snow is visibly perturbed to see so many people gathered.
Seems visibly uncomfortable with what he had to do next after he picks up the gun.
Blatantly states "clearing the area".
By this point they are pretty much public enemy number one, you can see the little kid basically looking agape at them beforehand. Even if security didn't find them there's every chance the public would rat them out being horrible Pulse L'Cie. In any case the point was there's a method to his madness. He's not putting the public at risk should he or Hope get discovered.
Quote:
A~n~d... here you go, scene begins at 30:45 and the lines themselves are said at 31:14. The translation is slightly different from what the Japanese version said, but yes, that is pretty much spot on what Snow said in the Japanese version, too.
Haha that is hilariously insensitive, the translation makes it come across to me as "adults are stupid because they fight and die" in almost self-referential humour.
Though this would come under one of those things you said in the Vent thread I guess. One of those extremely bad social faux-pas. Just an accident than actual malicious intent.
Quote:
I got a link a few days ago that showed scenes of the final fight that proved Etro was doing stuff from the get go, but I don't have it on me right now. As for the Ending, they were turned into Cie'th to make Fang and Vanilla despair more, turn into Ragnarok and kill Orphan already. Turned back (English translation made it more appear that the Cie'th part was just an illusion) and hello, ending?
Check the Focus vision they have. It's identical to what happens in the ending. And it was revealed, yes, Etro was the one who made the party turn out from Crystal Stasis except for Vanilla and Fang. Also, while not EVERYONE died, it is revealed that people did die during Ragnarok's movement. It just wasn't everyone.
Check the Focus vision they have. It's identical to what happens in the ending. And it was revealed, yes, Etro was the one who made the party turn out from Crystal Stasis except for Vanilla and Fang. Also, while not EVERYONE died, it is revealed that people did die during Ragnarok's movement. It just wasn't everyone.
Hmm funny, I seem to remember going through the game without ever hearing an explanation about Etro being responsible for it all at the end.
Lets (hurgh) watch the ending of FFXIII again...
Lightning (on being revived from Cie'th) : "Could be more Fal'Cie Smoke and Mirrors?" /enddiscussion.
Some heroic nonsense.
Sazh: Maybe a new focus? Felt like somebody was pushing me right along.
Also hilarious in watching it.
Hope: "Y'say we got the power to destroy Cocoon? I'll show you we got the power to save it!"
Lightning: "We're here to stop him! We're here to save Cocoon right?!"
Everyone: "Right!"
*actions proceed to destroy Cocoon and kill god knows how many*
Also completely forgot to add to the stupid dangerous crystallisation of the planet, they had to coat it in LAVA first.
(Minor Point: Ugh I forgot how annoyed I was by Leona Lewis's song here, remember thinking "It's just plucked from the charts" rather than being made for the game.)
Ugh then I forgot about the complete BS of uncrystallising them and Dajd and Serah too. Again completely unexplained everyone is too busy focusing on "Hey lookit Cocoon".
Also note how much talk about how they've changed their Fate, and yet they did exactly what the final boss really wanted.
Credit to the XIII games, in both numbered entries the bad guys actually win.
However... in the last 20 minutes of cutscenes and story Etro was mentioned approximately 0 times. Here's the source video I used if you are interested. It picks up roughly after Orphan's 'actual' boss fight.
So yeah...the entire ending is BS and unexplained and confusing.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
I never said that it was good or that they changed their Focus.
I always was under the impression that the ending is exactly what the Focus originally said.
And again, I'm looking for that thing I was shown that shows Etro (or her presence) doing stuff in XIII, but I haven't found it yet.
Anthony wrote:
Actually if I were to be a damn l'Cie I would probably just kill the old man with a gun.
Pff, yeah, like a gun is gonna immediately kill a Fal'Cie.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
CatMuto wrote:
Like I said in the FF thread, yes, the party just blindly went along with the vision they supposedly saw - whether it was actually a new Focus vision or just an illusion or really a dream when they were Cie'th, I don't know, but they blindly go along with it, putting their faith in it.
I never said that it was good or that they changed their Focus.
I always was under the impression that the ending is exactly what the Focus originally said.
And again, I'm looking for that thing I was shown that shows Etro (or her presence) doing stuff in XIII, but I haven't found it yet.
Pff, yeah, like a gun is gonna immediately kill a Fal'Cie.
C-A
I never said that it was good or that they changed their Focus.
I always was under the impression that the ending is exactly what the Focus originally said.
And again, I'm looking for that thing I was shown that shows Etro (or her presence) doing stuff in XIII, but I haven't found it yet.
Anthony wrote:
Actually if I were to be a damn l'Cie I would probably just kill the old man with a gun.
Pff, yeah, like a gun is gonna immediately kill a Fal'Cie.
C-A
Well two of the cast do use forms of guns as a weapon...
But in any case Cat blindly going along with a vague vision of what they saw doesn't explain anything. A new focus doesn't explain anything and doesn't seem likely as there isn't any brand to speak of to represent a new one. It seems decidedly not an illusion to me as Hope refers to being somewhere cold and dark.
I'll repeat your point:
Quote:
The goddamn Ending makes sense. Better than a non-ending VII had that answered nothing.
Quote:
I never said that it was good or that they changed their Focus.
It neither makes sense nor is good. I just watched the ending Cat and they didn't explain anything. If you find a video pointing it out now no doubt it'll be someone referring to small tiny things in the background that if you knew the bigger picture of what was going on are clear signs Etro had a hand in it. However a game like this should standalone, I shouldn't need to play the sequel to have a clue what happened, especially if they are going to drop so much BS all over the ending. This game's ending is terrible and nonsensical which for me felt good as it reflects the game's quality throughout as a whole, as an ending should.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
CatMuto wrote:
Like I said, I didn't say it was good (ie that they were following something blindly, not that the Ending wasn't good) but I said it makes sense.
C-A
C-A
Well then you've failed to convince me.
An ending shouldn't need a video from a fan to point out all it's important bits that explain the stupid plotholes.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Pierre wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Like I said, I didn't say it was good (ie that they were following something blindly, not that the Ending wasn't good) but I said it makes sense.
C-A
C-A
Well then you've failed to convince me.
An ending shouldn't need a video from a fan to point out all it's important bits that explain the stupid plotholes.
I agree with you on the ground of important information supposed to be in the game itself and not supplementary reading material (like it happens with FF several times, always giving us more information - some if it really important - in books that never make it out of Japan to begin with, but other games also have this) but as I said I find XIII's ending makes perfect sense.
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Like I said, I didn't say it was good (ie that they were following something blindly, not that the Ending wasn't good) but I said it makes sense.
C-A
C-A
Well then you've failed to convince me.
An ending shouldn't need a video from a fan to point out all it's important bits that explain the stupid plotholes.
I agree with you on the ground of important information supposed to be in the game itself and not supplementary reading material (like it happens with FF several times, always giving us more information - some if it really important - in books that never make it out of Japan to begin with, but other games also have this) but as I said I find XIII's ending makes perfect sense.
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
You agree with me...this game is missing information....important information. Yet you persist in that this ending makes "perfect sense". You acknowledge the weaknesses and ignore them to say it's "perfect"
/imoutrationalargumentandthinkingdieshere.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
I've felt worse.
Gender: None specified
Location: I'm at soup.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:18 pm
Posts: 1706
Pierre wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
I agree with you on the ground of important information supposed to be in the game itself and not supplementary reading material (like it happens with FF several times, always giving us more information - some if it really important - in books that never make it out of Japan to begin with, but other games also have this) but as I said I find XIII's ending makes perfect sense.
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
You agree with me...this game is missing information....important information. Yet you persist in that this ending makes "perfect sense". You acknowledge the weaknesses and ignore them to say it's "perfect"
/imoutrationalargumentandthinkingdieshere.
I think she means the ending makes sense when you factor in the sequel and several things that a casual player wouldn't notice. Kind of like how MGS2 made no sense until years later when everyone had enough time to think about it.
"It's never too late to learn that growing old doesn't have to mean growing up. Stay curious, stay weird, stay kind, and don't let anyone ever tell you you aren't smart or brave or worthy enough." -Stanford Pines, Gravity Falls
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
sumguy28 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
I agree with you on the ground of important information supposed to be in the game itself and not supplementary reading material (like it happens with FF several times, always giving us more information - some if it really important - in books that never make it out of Japan to begin with, but other games also have this) but as I said I find XIII's ending makes perfect sense.
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
Even if you look at it in a meta sense of "It's supposed to be bittersweet happy"
C-A
You agree with me...this game is missing information....important information. Yet you persist in that this ending makes "perfect sense". You acknowledge the weaknesses and ignore them to say it's "perfect"
/imoutrationalargumentandthinkingdieshere.
I think she means the ending makes sense when you factor in the sequel and several things that a casual player wouldn't notice. Kind of like how MGS2 made no sense until years later when everyone had enough time to think about it.
MGS2 made fine sense when it first came out. It explained most of it's strange plot twists (even if some of them were arguably lies like the truth behind Ocelot's 'possession') Only the 'stinger' at the end made no sense at all which is FINE because by virtue of being a stinger it's meant to be explained by a future thing.
All the same it doesn't excuse an ultimately terrible ending (though I wouldn't say XIII-2 really delved into it THAT well anyway since it's tied up with it's own stupid problems).
It might make sense now but at the time, when no sequels or supplementary reading was out, it was a load of steaming crap sauce on the top of the crap sundae that we were expected to swallow.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
I've felt worse.
Gender: None specified
Location: I'm at soup.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:18 pm
Posts: 1706
Pierre wrote:
sumguy28 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
You agree with me...this game is missing information....important information. Yet you persist in that this ending makes "perfect sense". You acknowledge the weaknesses and ignore them to say it's "perfect"
/imoutrationalargumentandthinkingdieshere.
/imoutrationalargumentandthinkingdieshere.
I think she means the ending makes sense when you factor in the sequel and several things that a casual player wouldn't notice. Kind of like how MGS2 made no sense until years later when everyone had enough time to think about it.
MGS2 made fine sense when it first came out. It explained most of it's strange plot twists (even if some of them were arguably lies like the truth behind Ocelot's 'possession') Only the 'stinger' at the end made no sense at all which is FINE because by virtue of being a stinger it's meant to be explained by a future thing.
All the same it doesn't excuse an ultimately terrible ending (though I wouldn't say XIII-2 really delved into it THAT well anyway since it's tied up with it's own stupid problems).
It might make sense now but at the time, when no sequels or supplementary reading was out, it was a load of steaming crap sauce on the top of the crap sundae that we were expected to swallow.
Next time I make a bad word choice, you have permission to keep a tally. I was referring to how when MGS2 was released, very few people realized that Raiden (and by extension, the entire game) was supposed to be a deconstruction of the power fantasy, rather than a straight up "This is the protagonist. Praise him!" game. Because of that, several people labeled it "pretentious" while questioning the developers' sanity.
But don't get me wrong. I still consider FFXIII's ending by itself to be a seriously weak narrative-driven video game ending. Though it's not the weakest. That honor goes to Super Danganronpa 2.
"It's never too late to learn that growing old doesn't have to mean growing up. Stay curious, stay weird, stay kind, and don't let anyone ever tell you you aren't smart or brave or worthy enough." -Stanford Pines, Gravity Falls
Re: Random conversations about Games
aka Ami <3
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 1694
Re: Random conversations about Games
1000% Knight
Gender: Male
Rank: Moderators
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm
Posts: 6932
why does the american 3ds system update have themes but not the japanese one
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Random conversations about Games
In Justice We Trust
Gender: Male
Location: Southern California
Rank: Admin
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 4215
I'll always love you, Max.
Re: Random conversations about Games
aka Ami <3
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 1694
General Luigi wrote:
There's just something satisfying about completing a game of Minesweeper in which the only guesswork necessary was the first click. It comes down to luck so many times that being able to win through logic alone is something special in my book.
That's always satisfying.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Like how some people pointed out other parts of XIII being meta, like how you actually feel free for the first time in XIII when you get off Cocoon, which is an enclosed "moon" for Pulse. How there's a reason, that you might not realize instantly, why Vanilla has 3 ATBs and not 2 like everyone else prior to Chapter 3. Stuff like that.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gettin' Old!
Gender: Male
Location: Scotland
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Posts: 14363
CatMuto wrote:
No, I don't think XIII's ending makes sense cause I factor in the sequels. XIII-2 and LR feel more like sequels to each other, but not like direct sequels to XIII. I still think XIII's ending makes sense. Like if you want to look at it from a meta point of view, you can say "Ah, it's supposed to be a happy ending, but also bittersweet - not super happy"
Like how some people pointed out other parts of XIII being meta, like how you actually feel free for the first time in XIII when you get off Cocoon, which is an enclosed "moon" for Pulse. How there's a reason, that you might not realize instantly, why Vanilla has 3 ATBs and not 2 like everyone else prior to Chapter 3. Stuff like that.
C-A
Like how some people pointed out other parts of XIII being meta, like how you actually feel free for the first time in XIII when you get off Cocoon, which is an enclosed "moon" for Pulse. How there's a reason, that you might not realize instantly, why Vanilla has 3 ATBs and not 2 like everyone else prior to Chapter 3. Stuff like that.
C-A
Yeah I didn't think XIII-2 especially dealt with the problems from XIII's ending, if anything it added in new ones thanks to time paradoxes.
Though the ending is totally not that bittersweet for me, people come back from crystal and effectively death from no reason TWICE and everyone is smiling at the end. Fang and Vanille might be crystalled but they still seem positive about it due to magic voices in people's heads. It's a plain happy ending but with so many plotholes and questions left unanswered.
Even then it's just confusing, why is everyone happy and satisfied they fought their fate when it was EXACTLY their fate...and this is the BIG deal. After completing their Focus everyone becomes crystal at the end...the big bad wanted to die and let Cocoon fall to dust, they kill the big bad and become crystal themselves. The game SHOULD have ended there and that would have been bittersweet and made sense. Instead everyone comes back like it's nothing with no explanation. There's no mention of 'Etro' anywhere in the finale, just some vague ideas the party spitballs around before throwing that question to the sideline in order to deal with the bigger threat at the time.
Made by Chesu+Zombee
You thought you could be safe in your courts, with your laws and attorneys to protect you. In this world only I am law, my word is fact, my power is absolute.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
I personally wouldn't have minded had XIII ended with everyone in Crystal and maybe a "several years later" image or so of them all in a little shrine dedicated to them while the rest of Cocoon are managing their new lives on Pulse. But then, I wouldn't have minded XIII-2 to end with a Time Crash and dooming all of the World, without a way of somehow redeeming or fixing things. (Much as I like LR, as said, I COULD have done without it)
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:38 am
Posts: 6446
Another note I'm excited that next Tuesday, The Evil Within comes out which I'm excited for. I'm hoping my friend from the game store by my job gets the game earlier like he did for me when he got DR2 2 weeks early.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:38 am
Posts: 6446
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Walter White wrote:
Then go there instead of here and Random chat
Sometimes it's easier to finish a discussion where it started.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
In Justice We Trust
Gender: Male
Location: Southern California
Rank: Admin
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 4215
I'll always love you, Max.
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:38 am
Posts: 6446
General Luigi wrote:
I have to agree with Walter. You and Pierre have cluttered up this thread and the Random conversations/chatroom thread multiple times with your arguments about Final Fantasy XIII. Please take it to the Final Fantasy thread.
Wow you actually agreed with me
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
General Luigi wrote:
I have to agree with Walter. You and Pierre have cluttered up this thread and the Random conversations/chatroom thread multiple times with your arguments about Final Fantasy XIII. Please take it to the Final Fantasy thread.
Sweet, next time, can I complain about Jessse and Walter clogging up the Random Conversation topic with Instant-Messenger-ish one-line posts that go on for close to 2 pages?
I am so happy that I checked the DLC for Curtain Call today - they had the Battle With The Four Abyss Lords from Romancing Saga 3 available~ Also Cloud's AC character, but I didn't get it.
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
1000% Knight
Gender: Male
Rank: Moderators
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm
Posts: 6932
General Luigi wrote:
There's just something satisfying about completing a game of Minesweeper in which the only guesswork necessary was the first click. It comes down to luck so many times that being able to win through logic alone is something special in my book.
hate it when it comes down to a 50/50 chance T_T
I also think that computer minesweeper is programmed so that the first click is never a mine? (At least in newer versions, maybe...)
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Random conversations about Games
The Chocolateholic of CR
Gender: Male
Location: Unknown
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:40 am
Posts: 2818
*ahem*
I hate the fact that some games will seriously screw you over big time.
The Dragovian King and Captain Of The Ragnarok Ship and Owner of The Ragnarok Ranch.
I'm a ♌ since 1990 of August 10th. Better Recognize.
3DS FC:2535-5065-3560
Re: Random conversations about Games
The Real Human Being
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 3481
CatMuto wrote:
General Luigi wrote:
I have to agree with Walter. You and Pierre have cluttered up this thread and the Random conversations/chatroom thread multiple times with your arguments about Final Fantasy XIII. Please take it to the Final Fantasy thread.
Sweet, next time, can I complain about Jessse and Walter clogging up the Random Conversation topic with Instant-Messenger-ish one-line posts that go on for close to 2 pages?
C-A
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:38 am
Posts: 6446
CatMuto wrote:
General Luigi wrote:
I have to agree with Walter. You and Pierre have cluttered up this thread and the Random conversations/chatroom thread multiple times with your arguments about Final Fantasy XIII. Please take it to the Final Fantasy thread.
Sweet, next time, can I complain about Jessse and Walter clogging up the Random Conversation topic with Instant-Messenger-ish one-line posts that go on for close to 2 pages?
C-A
Don't be jealous Cat
Also it's not as bad as your paragraph and after paragraph of FF crap you spew every single time instead of putting it in the correct thread
*shots fired*@DoMaya: How's Cat's ass smell because your up there all the time
Re: Random conversations about Games
★ I wanna Yabba Dabba Die ★
Gender: Female
Location: Heartland Province
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:28 am
Posts: 1728
You are over-fucking-exaggerating now. I'm never even on court-records that long to even fill 2 pages.
Someone finally told you off and you just had to spew nonsense to save yourself and your ignorant band of followers follow the scent of your ass, like usual. Not surprising.
♡ Facebook ☆ Kidd & Milky Comics ♡
Instagram (18+ Art) ☆ Art Merch ♡
☆ X: @miilkywei ♡ PSN: Saebyeog ☆ Switch: SW-6480-0576-7900 ♡
*HMU if you wanna die or request commissions*
Instagram (18+ Art) ☆ Art Merch ♡
☆ X: @miilkywei ♡ PSN: Saebyeog ☆ Switch: SW-6480-0576-7900 ♡
*HMU if you wanna die or request commissions*
Re: Random conversations about Games
1000% Knight
Gender: Male
Rank: Moderators
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm
Posts: 6932
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Random conversations about Games
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Walter White wrote:
Don't be jealous Cat
Oh yes. The woman who is in a relationship of, oh, 5-years-going-on-6 is jealous of you to using a forum like an instant messenger like Skype. Get Skype or IRC or whatever IM there is.
Also, I'm not angry I'm getting called out - after all, this is a topic about random conversation about games. Nothing in the rules states that I can only talk about something specific in the designated topic. This thread was created (FYI by me) to converse about all sorts of games, regardless of specific topics.
Quote:
2 pages?
You are over-fucking-exaggerating now. I'm never even on court-records that long to even fill 2 pages.
You are over-fucking-exaggerating now. I'm never even on court-records that long to even fill 2 pages.
I said close to - sometimes it's half a page, sometimes it's more. Fact is, you start up conversations that are one sentences. He gives you, like, a compliment and you response with "Awww" or something similar, then he responds that he's serious and that sort of stuff, goes on for a good while.
Part of me feels like playing Roma Saga 3 again because I listened to the Four Noble Demons song again. It's just such an awesome song. And the game is good, even if it's very confusing and not helpful with lots of stuff unless you know what you're doing. Wish it had gotten a proper release...
C-A
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 11 guests
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
News
Site map
SitemapIndex
RSS Feed