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The franchise has always been playing with the idea behind masked gentlemen. The Steel & Nickel Samurai cases, Mask
DeMasque, and of course, that one guy in Dual Destinies.Now I wonder if there's going to be such a masked fellow (or lady, maybe Larry was right about something after all) in the next game, be it this one, GK3, or even DGS for that matter.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Man, the more I think about it, the more it disappoints me. PLvsAA really should have had a mysterious masked fellow; ally, villain, or neutral wouldn't have mattered.
The Storyteller had like... a half-mask. Does he count as a mysterious half-masked fellow?
I've only been skimming the discussions going on in the past page or so and I don't mean to derail and I'm not sure if anyone's posted this so far, but:
If you think about it, it would be very easy for Kristoph "I used to be a defense attorney" Gavin to get out of prison. The evidence against him in Zak's murder was forged and it's unlikely that he could have been charged with Drew's murder because of the whole Jurist thing and the fact that it's sort of implied to have not been implemented in any trials after Vera's, am I wrong? And we know from 3-2 that just because someone is caught during a trial doesn't mean they're automatically guilty - the verdict is only read for one person. Kristoph may have stood trial for Drew's murder after Vera was cleared and he probably was found not guilty due to lack of evidence.
So basically if Kristoph figures out (...or rather figures out how to prove) that ace was forged, he's out of prison.
And they have to get around to explaining his black psyche-locks somehow, right?
(Incidentally, I second the ideas that Maya will be arrested/kidnapped/whatever and that Thalassa will die.)
(And I hope Apollo or Klavier get accused of murder because I mean, it's like a rite of passage. All of the main defense attorneys* and rival prosecutors** have been accused of murder at some point!)
*Mia doesn't count because she died
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AireyVerkhovensky wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Man, the more I think about it, the more it disappoints me. PLvsAA really should have had a mysterious masked fellow; ally, villain, or neutral wouldn't have mattered.
The Storyteller had like... a half-mask. Does he count as a mysterious half-masked fellow?
No. I'm talking about another case where the mask is a plot point. But this time, I want more than just someone behind a mask as the culprit. I want someone who nearly gets away with it because they didn't bother with a mask at all. As expected, the defendant in the case would probably be an actor or magician who's known for performing with masks.
Cue Nick's (or Ryuu's?) classic "Anyone could have worn that mask! Even me!" followed by the judge's horrified gasps. (Well, I can't see this working for Apollo or Athena, since it's more of a Phoenix thing... unless they end up imitating him somehow.)
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
AireyVerkhovensky wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Man, the more I think about it, the more it disappoints me. PLvsAA really should have had a mysterious masked fellow; ally, villain, or neutral wouldn't have mattered.
The Storyteller had like... a half-mask. Does he count as a mysterious half-masked fellow?
No. I'm talking about another case where the mask is a plot point. But this time, I want more than just someone behind a mask as the culprit. I want someone who nearly gets away with it because they didn't bother with a mask at all. As expected, the defendant in the case would probably be an actor or magician who's known for performing with masks.
Cue Nick's (or Ryuu's?) classic "Anyone could have worn that mask! Even me!" followed by the judge's horrified gasps. (Well, I can't see this working for Apollo or Athena, since it's more of a Phoenix thing... unless they end up imitating him somehow.)
I think Athena would be pretty likely to imitate Phoenix like that. Apollo not so much.
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(The Nonomura Ryuutarou X Gyakuten Saiban crossover is also hilarious btw).
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Ash wrote:
Watching the classic Samuragouchi Mamoru X Gyakuten Saiban crossover (part 1 and part 2) reminded me that I've been waiting for a case that makes more use of the fact that GS is a game and has sound! GS4-3 was faaaaar from perfect, but I've always loved how it try to expand the possibilities of the mystery plot by implementing sound (just like how GS4 also did something more with spatial awareness). I was pretty disappointed at how GS5-3 was presented actually, because it especially featured a plot that could have been presented a lot more innovative with space and sound. DGS goes a long way in the right direction now, but I hope the 'main' GS series tries to at least build on the presentation ideas of GS4 in the future, because GS5 was really a step backwards in that sense, I think.
(The Nonomura Ryuutarou X Gyakuten Saiban crossover is also hilarious btw).
I remember the story of this guy! (Kotaku put up a subbed version for anyone that wants to watch it here.)(The Nonomura Ryuutarou X Gyakuten Saiban crossover is also hilarious btw).
I still need to see the one of Ryuutarou (the crying politician
).GS5 was a new engine and they're main concern was getting everything to run in 3D and such, so I can understand the first game'd have less features like that in there (Mood Matrix, Perceiving, Psyche-Locks, and the other one-off gimmicks were all in there). Hopefully they bring this up (It was a little tedious in GS4, but it was fun, and I like that idea
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Ash wrote:
Watching the classic Samuragouchi Mamoru X Gyakuten Saiban crossover (part 1 and part 2) reminded me that I've been waiting for a case that makes more use of the fact that GS is a game and has sound! GS4-3 was faaaaar from perfect, but I've always loved how it try to expand the possibilities of the mystery plot by implementing sound (just like how GS4 also did something more with spatial awareness). I was pretty disappointed at how GS5-3 was presented actually, because it especially featured a plot that could have been presented a lot more innovative with space and sound. DGS goes a long way in the right direction now, but I hope the 'main' GS series tries to at least build on the presentation ideas of GS4 in the future, because GS5 was really a step backwards in that sense, I think.
(The Nonomura Ryuutarou X Gyakuten Saiban crossover is also hilarious btw).
(The Nonomura Ryuutarou X Gyakuten Saiban crossover is also hilarious btw).
Oh, I remember these. Well, we've had several cases where audio recordings play large roles, including 1-2, 2-1, the obvious 4-3, and 5-3. GS4 did really well with an interactive map and those recordings, but I feel like they overdid it with the latter. They certainly could have tried it in GS5, but I'm thinking we'll be seeing more of this 3d interaction in GK3.
And on a different note, PLvsAA did the fully voiced segments justice. They were beautifully acted and adapted, and while a certain voice actor could have done his part better at such important moments, they weren't very distracting from the mood during play. Also, why not have those moments where the main character is simply narrating a part of the story voiced? It's a lot more appealing than simply staring at a black background and watching text scroll by.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
but I'm thinking we'll be seeing more of this 3d interaction in GK3.
Wait, is GK3 something that is actually being planned, or is this just fan speculation...?
Honestly, when the trilogy re-release was announced, I was hoping that they would add in (more) voice acting and even cutscenes. Sadly, it was not to be...
(Although if they did re-release them with voice acting and cutscenes, and maybe even 3D sprites and extra episodes à la Rise from the Ashes or Turnabout Reclaimed, I would definitely buy it, even if each game were re-released separately.)
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Eshiro mentioned in an interview previously that they had plans for GK3. It's hard to say how far they've gone with it, or if they're actually working on GS6 already. (I say the former, though, just because it was announced sooner.)
I hope both of them get completed and released (...who are we kidding about an English GK3 release, though?) before I go off on my mission, because that'll be a year and a half without video games...
Hopefully we'll at least get some news on either one sometime next year, though, right?
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MBr wrote:
Didn't the GK team disband after making GK2?
Given that the GK team made Dual Destinies, no.
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A case that combines concepts of 3-3 and 3-5. (as well as turnabout reclaimed, or maybe even 1-5)
the "murder" occurring twice, once for real and the other to create a witness, but the real location was actually different.
and to add another plot point...
the killer destroying the murder weapon.
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Geo McKarter wrote:
I don't know if anyone had posted a similar idea, but I'll tell mine anyway.
A case that combines concepts of 3-3 and 3-5. (as well as turnabout reclaimed, or maybe even 1-5)
the "murder" occurring twice, once for real and the other to create a witness, but the real location was actually different.
and to add another plot point...
the killer destroying the murder weapon.
A case that combines concepts of 3-3 and 3-5. (as well as turnabout reclaimed, or maybe even 1-5)
the "murder" occurring twice, once for real and the other to create a witness, but the real location was actually different.
and to add another plot point...
the killer destroying the murder weapon.
Killer destroying the murder weapon could be interesting, but isn't the whole "two different murders" thing a little overdone, considering you listed three different cases that did that very thing...?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
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AireyVerkhovensky wrote:
Geo McKarter wrote:
I don't know if anyone had posted a similar idea, but I'll tell mine anyway.
A case that combines concepts of 3-3 and 3-5. (as well as turnabout reclaimed, or maybe even 1-5)
the "murder" occurring twice, once for real and the other to create a witness, but the real location was actually different.
and to add another plot point...
the killer destroying the murder weapon.
A case that combines concepts of 3-3 and 3-5. (as well as turnabout reclaimed, or maybe even 1-5)
the "murder" occurring twice, once for real and the other to create a witness, but the real location was actually different.
and to add another plot point...
the killer destroying the murder weapon.
Killer destroying the murder weapon could be interesting, but isn't the whole "two different murders" thing a little overdone, considering you listed three different cases that did that very thing...?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
Imo, the killer destroying the murder weapon is way overdone as a detective fiction trope. It can be interesting, though, if the weapon itself can be remodeled to not look like a weapon at all. I mean that in that sense how the murder weapon appears to be destroyed, but not permanently. Death by putty!
Spoiler: Turnabout Quiz, Chap 2
And technically, we did have a case with facial reconstruction. It's true we have yet to meet with a killer who reconstructs the victim's face, though.
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Ok...
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It's true we have yet to meet with a killer who reconstructs the victim's face, though.
"I didn't smash his head in, I just reconstructed his face a little!"
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
And technically, we did have a case with facial reconstruction. It's true we have yet to meet with a killer who reconstructs the victim's face, though.
Wait... am I just dumb? I have no idea what you're talking about... I can only think of one unidentified body in the series, and that one was identified via fingerprints.
Certainly we've had no anonymous victims, though. I think it'd be a fun part of the case to figure out who the victim was in the first place, or else a challenge in the sense that you won't really know what the true killer's motive was (inb4 Kristoph).
Spoiler: GK2, old mystery novels
Edit: Sorry for my tendancy to assume everyone's read Christie...
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We could have a killer who bashes someone's head with a frozen turkey and then heats it and eats it, thus destroying the weapon!!! :D :D
Ok...
Ok...
Or a fish (isn't translated, but the acting is 'rather' obvious).
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Ash wrote:
Fist of Justice wrote:
We could have a killer who bashes someone's head with a frozen turkey and then heats it and eats it, thus destroying the weapon!!! :D :D
Ok...
Ok...
Or a fish (isn't translated, but the acting is 'rather' obvious).
Fish archery should be a thing.
Oh, here's a twist of twists: what if the real killer was later killed and eaten?
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And that reminds me. We also need a case to take place in a different countryside. Like a farm.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Ash wrote:
Fist of Justice wrote:
We could have a killer who bashes someone's head with a frozen turkey and then heats it and eats it, thus destroying the weapon!!! :D :D
Ok...
Ok...
Or a fish (isn't translated, but the acting is 'rather' obvious).
Fish archery should be a thing.
Oh, here's a twist of twists: what if the real killer was later killed and eaten?
Spoiler:
And that reminds me. We also need a case to take place in a different countryside. Like a farm.
Spoiler: DD
And isn't that basically what happened with the Great Chicago Fire? Haha.
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And speaking of which, that case on a farm can even have a decomposed body. It's out in the remote countryside. Only when someone reports the dead body would anyone know about it. Perfect chance for luminol to return.
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AireyVerkhovensky wrote:
Killer destroying the murder weapon could be interesting, but isn't the whole "two different murders" thing a little overdone, considering you listed three different cases that did that very thing...?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
Well, yes, but in every single one, the murder weapon was always found. No murder weapon would be an interesting twist. The "real and fake" murder scenes was just to make the case long. This might also imply the importance of the Jurist system even more, since you can't prove the murder weapon was destroyed or if there was even one in the first place.
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
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Geo McKarter wrote:
AireyVerkhovensky wrote:
Killer destroying the murder weapon could be interesting, but isn't the whole "two different murders" thing a little overdone, considering you listed three different cases that did that very thing...?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
Personally, I'd love to see more forensics, and not just stuff like luminol and fingerprinting. Maybe an unidentified victim... facial reconstruction, anyone?
Well, yes, but in every single one, the murder weapon was always found. No murder weapon would be an interesting twist. The "real and fake" murder scenes was just to make the case long. This might also imply the importance of the Jurist system even more, since you can't prove the murder weapon was destroyed or if there was even one in the first place.
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
I really doubt we'll see the Jurist system ever again. Well, maybe if Takumi's doing GS6, since DGS has a jury...
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JesusMonroe wrote:
3-2 didn't have a murder weapon
..But the dead body was found in the real scene, which was decisive enough..,
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JesusMonroe wrote:
3-2 didn't have a murder weapon
Technically, there was, but it wasn't brought up. Let's just pretend that the Atmey Fighting Stance is a lot more threatening than it sounds.
Geo McKarter wrote:
Well, yes, but in every single one, the murder weapon was always found. No murder weapon would be an interesting twist. The "real and fake" murder scenes was just to make the case long. This might also imply the importance of the Jurist system even more, since you can't prove the murder weapon was destroyed or if there was even one in the first place.
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
Just to point out, if the change in murder scene doesn't add anything important, it's pointless to drag out a case longer than it needs to be. Also, the Jurist System won't help with whether or not a weapon is found. People tend to believe in what they see, and don't when they don't.
That said, the jury is still out on a victim's face being dented in. Or swollen, if death was by killer bees.
...See, this is why we need a case taking place on a farm. I can keep this idea train going all day.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
JesusMonroe wrote:
3-2 didn't have a murder weapon
Technically, there was, but it wasn't brought up. Let's just pretend that the Atmey Fighting Stance is a lot more threatening than it sounds.
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Well, yes, but in every single one, the murder weapon was always found. No murder weapon would be an interesting twist. The "real and fake" murder scenes was just to make the case long. This might also imply the importance of the Jurist system even more, since you can't prove the murder weapon was destroyed or if there was even one in the first place.
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
Facial reconstruction sounds interesting :D It also means we'll see Ema again :D
Just to point out, if the change in murder scene doesn't add anything important, it's pointless to drag out a case longer than it needs to be. Also, the Jurist System won't help with whether or not a weapon is found. People tend to believe in what they see, and don't when they don't.
That said, the jury is still out on a victim's face being dented in. Or swollen, if death was by killer bees.
...See, this is why we need a case taking place on a farm. I can keep this idea train going all day.
Yeah, but who wants to put up with all the Wicker Man jokes the fandom would inevitibly come up with?
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But seriously, it's a good idea. We've only had one case so far where the victim was strangled to death, and the culprit was made obvious from the get-go. We could have another case where it's not so obvious, and it could be difficult to pin down the real killer.
Cue irony if someone's beloved pet snake is accused. One way or another, we should give the Wright Anything Agency a new rep as the animal civil rights activists. Trucy will be overjoyed.
Edit: Someone remind me, was there another strangulation case in I2-2? I don't remember what the victim died of.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Makes me wonder how the corpse will be propped up.
But seriously, it's a good idea. We've only had one case so far where the victim was strangled to death, and the culprit was made obvious from the get-go. We could have another case where it's not so obvious, and it could be difficult to pin down the real killer.
Cue irony if someone's beloved pet snake is accused. One way or another, we should give the Wright Anything Agency a new rep as the animal civil rights activists. Trucy will be overjoyed.
But seriously, it's a good idea. We've only had one case so far where the victim was strangled to death, and the culprit was made obvious from the get-go. We could have another case where it's not so obvious, and it could be difficult to pin down the real killer.
Cue irony if someone's beloved pet snake is accused. One way or another, we should give the Wright Anything Agency a new rep as the animal civil rights activists. Trucy will be overjoyed.
Oh, dang. That'd be awesome.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Edit: Someone remind me, was there another strangulation case in I2-2? I don't remember what the victim died of.
No, that was a stabbing to the neck.
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Ash wrote:
Strangling can be troublesome for a mystery story because it's actually a rather dangerous method of murder. The murderer needs to bring him/herself in close contact with the victim, and unless the victim is already incapitated, this could lead to a struggle and strangling takes time. A lot of the dangers can be removed by incapitating the victim beforehand with sleeping medicine or something, but then logic asks: if the victim is already helpless, why go through the effort of strangling instead of just one stab in the heart or something like that. Strangling would work for a spur-of-the-moment murder, but that's generally not as suited for the puzzle plot mysteries as featured in the series (which works better with little planned schemes that get uncovered layer by layer).
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Ash wrote:
Strangling can be troublesome for a mystery story because it's actually a rather dangerous method of murder. The murderer needs to bring him/herself in close contact with the victim, and unless the victim is already incapitated, this could lead to a struggle and strangling takes time. A lot of the dangers can be removed by incapitating the victim beforehand with sleeping medicine or something, but then logic asks: if the victim is already helpless, why go through the effort of strangling instead of just one stab in the heart or something like that. Strangling would work for a spur-of-the-moment murder, but that's generally not as suited for the puzzle plot mysteries as featured in the series (which works better with little planned schemes that get uncovered layer by layer).
Because skin cannot be punctured by fingernails. >:(
Ahem. Murder scenes aren't always handy enough to provide the right weapons. I'll give you the point on the spur-of-the-moment, though it's still simple enough to write a mystery from one. We've had 10 or so murders in this series alone that were made on the spot. The weapons used were also conveniently available. Granted, people usually don't murder on the spot unless there's something to use as a weapon.
Or unless the killer is a martial artist whose hands are weapons. Though, I'm not sure how a suspect would be found unless there's another amazing martial artist who also happened to be near the crime scene when it happened. But it still could work as a case this way. ^^b
Besides, with a lack of blood, the murder may not be discovered in an instant and anyone else there could act carelessly, possibly spoiling the investigation with accidental clues. Case in point: 2-4. Just one or two of such, though; we don't want too much that it'll drag out the case any longer.
By the way, we haven't actually had a case with asphyxiation, huh?
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This is the best Wright analysis I've ever read
... and this for Apollo...
I am experiencing amnesia and deja vu at the same time; I think I've forgotten this before...
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I am experiencing amnesia and deja vu at the same time; I think I've forgotten this before...
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