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JesusMonroe wrote:
If Cold were Zero, he should've voted betray when he had 3 BP in the second round
There's nothing to say he's a good Zero or that we can guess what plans he had. The rules have certainly changed from last round in any case.
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1. Who killed Cold?
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
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If I was Zero, I should've voted betray when I had 5 points in the second round.
Nope
And regarding you saying that I'm lying about Cold claiming, how many times do I have to say he never hard-claimed?
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I am privy to this because I was able to talk to Neptune, Cold and Jumpfight on different occasions. (like Jumpy was able to tell me that Neptune implied that he suspected Cesar without evidence) (Neptune would have to deny it here in this thread, of course, as would Jumpy)
Their roles are the following:
Neptune: Cesar is Zero
Cold: Trace is Zero
Jumpy: Lucky is Zero
From my perspective, not all three of these players can be lying.
Notes:
None of them had each other as Zero.
Explanation for the three "Zeros" is they're the assistant, Zero, and possibly the bomber.
It's easy for two of them to be lying, but it seems impossible for all three to be. Therefore, you can also deduce that one of those suspicions, Lucky/Trace/Cesar, is actually a bad guy. This further marginalizes the chances of one of the three of them being one of the bad roles.
Throw in the fact I trust Cold, more so than the other two, I have to except that his role is real.
Also okay Neptune, I'll try to answer those.
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And I know Cesar will deny it whether or not it's true
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Contradiction after contradiction is piling up. I want these questions answered as they've been vaguely ignored so I want concrete answers. Preferably by Pierre/Slezak/Giggles but I'll let anyone do it
1. Who killed Cold?
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
1. Who killed Cold?
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
No promises about the not answering with questions but I'll do my best.
1. I don't know.
2. I don't know
3. Similar reasons that gave you conviction that Trace was Zero.
4. I believe Jumpfight is an accomplice of Zero and therefore untrustworthy. He also betrayed me without discussion of the matter.
5. Franzise is messing with us, and this game has suffered in quality (in my opinion) because of it.
6. As above
7. As Above
8. Perhaps they KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT US THAT MIGHT INCRIMINATE THEM. Roles might have different powers than last time. Zero might not be as Vanilla as in your game.
9. Hmm...Luna.
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Something I think people aren't realizing here is that Neptune, Jumpy, and Cold have roles that are compliant with one another, and the implications of them are compliant as well, and this is why they trust each other.
I am privy to this because I was able to talk to Neptune, Cold and Jumpfight on different occasions. (like Jumpy was able to tell me that Neptune implied that he suspected Cesar without evidence) (Neptune would have to deny it here in this thread, of course, as would Jumpy)
Their roles are the following:
Neptune: Cesar is Zero
Cold: Trace is Zero
Jumpy: Lucky is Zero
From my perspective, not all three of these players can be lying.
Notes:
None of them had each other as Zero.
Explanation for the three "Zeros" is they're the assistant, Zero, and possibly the bomber.
It's easy for two of them to be lying, but it seems impossible for all three to be. Therefore, you can also deduce that one of those suspicions, Lucky/Trace/Cesar, is actually a bad guy. This further marginalizes the chances of one of the three of them being one of the bad roles.
Throw in the fact I trust Cold, more so than the other two, I have to except that his role is real.
Also okay Neptune, I'll try to answer those.
I am privy to this because I was able to talk to Neptune, Cold and Jumpfight on different occasions. (like Jumpy was able to tell me that Neptune implied that he suspected Cesar without evidence) (Neptune would have to deny it here in this thread, of course, as would Jumpy)
Their roles are the following:
Neptune: Cesar is Zero
Cold: Trace is Zero
Jumpy: Lucky is Zero
From my perspective, not all three of these players can be lying.
Notes:
None of them had each other as Zero.
Explanation for the three "Zeros" is they're the assistant, Zero, and possibly the bomber.
It's easy for two of them to be lying, but it seems impossible for all three to be. Therefore, you can also deduce that one of those suspicions, Lucky/Trace/Cesar, is actually a bad guy. This further marginalizes the chances of one of the three of them being one of the bad roles.
Throw in the fact I trust Cold, more so than the other two, I have to except that his role is real.
Also okay Neptune, I'll try to answer those.
I get that it's your perspective and you feel the need to trust in something in this game. However Neptune has just said that Cesar is the Bomber, not Zero so his earlier assumption can't have been based on something as concrete as a Role PM. That means that only TWO of your three are lying. If one of those people is Zero and the other is the assistant then it makes sense for it to be an orchestrated lie...to question the nature of the game.
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Not Zero. They wouldn't draw attention to themselves. Also, it could've been anyone with an item, as I'm 100% sure not all of them that were found have been announced.
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
Cold was a threat to someone, we just don't know who. Alternatively, someone figured him out.
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
We know our innocence. Sure, that doesn't mean shit to you, but it's the truth.
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
Because this is the only thing I can be certain about in this game: Jumpfight is a liar who cannot be trusted, and anyone who allies with him does so to intentionally screw the game.
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
I think that might actually prove Slezak's innocence, since Cold could've been evil.
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
I know he isn't, so I can't answer this.
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
I know jumpfight isn't, so I can't answer this fully, but I doubt there are four Zeroes. So if Cold was telling the truth too, this game was screwed from the start.
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
(Isn't this two questions?
) Because Pierre and Slezak innocent. Since jumpfight is knows who the guilty people are, it's easy for him to choose targets. Cold, as an assistant, could've also known. Unless we get a will / death role announcement, there's no one way to know for sure. It's all speculation.9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
It's a three way tie between Lotus, ZeroIII, and Luna. Also, Junpei's cute enough to almost get into that tie, but he reminds me that I'm a loser too much for me to fully enjoy him.
Oh, also, cesar isn't the bomber. Just so you guys know.
And I am super happy this kicked off they way it did. If I die now, I won't even be mad, cause today was FUN.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Contradiction after contradiction is piling up. I want these questions answered as they've been vaguely ignored so I want concrete answers. Preferably by Pierre/Slezak/Giggles but I'll let anyone do it
1. Who killed Cold?
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
1. Who killed Cold?
2. WHY was Cold killed and not someone else? Cold was not a threat to anyone
3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
4. What basis do you guys have for thinking jumpfight is lying?
5. Let's assume Cold was telling the truth about his role PM saying Slezak was Zero. What do you think about that?
6. Let's assume jumpfight is telling the truth about his role PM saying Pierre is Zero. What do you think about that?
7. Let's assume they're both telling the truth. What do you think about that?
8. Let's assume they're both lying. In that case, why did they choose Pierre and Slezak as targets? And who killed Cold if they're both implicit?
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
1. Giggles and Lucky
2. They needed to kill someone before you did (Giggles told them ahead of time, as Slezak confirmed). As a bonus, Cold was Lucky's opponent in the AB Game
3. I don't think he was lying
4. I'm not lying
5. Slezak is tainted on some level
6. Lucky is tainted on some level
7. We are telling the truth
8. I'm not lying
9. Seven/Luna
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And I still would like more concrete answers on some questions because you're not really building a case. Anyway, I'll ignore that for now and just say thank you for answering. There's only one thing I need to address
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3. What basis do you guys have for thinking Cold was lying?
We know our innocence. Sure, that doesn't mean shit to you, but it's the truth.
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
It's a three way tie between Lotus, ZeroIII, and Luna. Also, Junpei's cute enough to almost get into that tie, but he reminds me that I'm a loser too much for me to fully enjoy him.
We know our innocence. Sure, that doesn't mean shit to you, but it's the truth.
9. I need nine questions. Uh...who's your favorite ZE character?
It's a three way tie between Lotus, ZeroIII, and Luna. Also, Junpei's cute enough to almost get into that tie, but he reminds me that I'm a loser too much for me to fully enjoy him.
3. How do you *know* Pierre and Slezak's innocence? Why are you referring to that as *our*? Nobody has brought up a role PM saying you're Zero
9. In 999, my favorite character constantly alternates between Santa and Junpei, but my favorite overall character is probably Junpei
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Anyway, why make those assumptions if I know for damn certain that they're false? It's a pointless exercise.
(And hey, I know we're all at each other's throats over murder and stuff, but reminder that 4infinity ends this Friday at 3pm CST to coincide with the aksys panel, which will be livestreamed. Praise helix!)
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Anyway, why make those assumptions if I know for damn certain that they're false? It's a pointless exercise.
Because I know for damn certain they're true
As much as Lucky will accuse me of sharing screenshots, I know jumpfight has to be innocent. I know we'll disagree constantly on this but at least momentarily consider the other possibility
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Neptune is saying Cesar is the bomber because that's the way he rationalizes two people he trusts having the same role as him that both say "Zero."
So together with these guys who claim to have the same role as him, (in a sense of course, Neptune picks it up that they are since it is the same role as his own) they have three main suspects: Lucky/Trace/Cesar.
Out of these three, which two have worked the closest and can rationally be Zero/Zero Jr.?
You and Trace. That's why the third is assumed to be the bomber because it would be too overpowering to have a Zero team of three in a game of 9.
That said, if one or two of the three of them are lying, the third is telling the truth, meaning one or two of Trace, Lucky and Cesar are bad guys. This also means that the role REALLY EXISTS. Since none of them have each other too, Now you need a Zero team like Jumpfight/Lucky or Cold/Trace, which for reasons explored thoroughly here, seem very unlikely. Also one of both of those teams are getting left behind if Neptune's plan goes through here. Either way, I think things look rather good.
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You know damn well why I can't trust him and why I'm choosing not to disclose it. I don't trust you at all, but I know you're smart enough to figure that out.
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If your possibility is true then whatever you've heard via Role PMs is uncertain in authenticity.
You should not attempt to kill Trace and myself by virtue of the AB game because you cannot be certain of villainy. Then again you already tried outright murder him so I imagine you've already given over your reservations. The Bomb code is still out there. I can't leave. The game goes on. Don't murder more people based on uncertainty.
Does anybody know when Cesar arrives on the scene? As someone completely unconnected in this matter I feel his opinion is of paramount importance.
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I know what you're saying, but I don't believe you
If you were told in a role PM that jumpfight is Zero, there's no way you can blindly believe it without doubting it after everything that's been revealed
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Answer my questions
Edit: Forgot to say please. Sounded like I was barking an order
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Answer my questions
Edit: Forgot to say please. Sounded like I was barking an order
The 1-9 thing? I thought I did.
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Oh, my bad. I missed it. Carry on
My appeal still stands then. If your information that Slezak and myself are villainous is based on uncertain and strange information, you should drop this obvious murder plot. I cannot leave because of the Bomber no matter the outcome here. You can keep me out of every room if possible in order to prevent me having a chance at the code but do not send people to their graves on such uncertain rules.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
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I know what you're saying, but I don't believe you
If you were told in a role PM that jumpfight is Zero, there's no way you can blindly believe it without doubting it after everything that's been revealed
I know what you're saying, but I don't believe you
If you were told in a role PM that jumpfight is Zero, there's no way you can blindly believe it without doubting it after everything that's been revealed
Because... That's not true, I'm vanilla, but if it was... Then that's the last thing I would have to hold onto to make any sense of the game. Because knowledge is power and if your knowledge is suddenly taken away from you by turning out to be a lie, then you're a powerless, vulnerable shell who has no chance of actually winning.
You fall into despair and then you become a model or something. I don't know since obviously that didn't happen because I'm vanilla.
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Pierre wrote:
I get that it's your perspective and you feel the need to trust in something in this game. However Neptune has just said that Cesar is the Bomber, not Zero so his earlier assumption can't have been based on something as concrete as a Role PM. That means that only TWO of your three are lying. If one of those people is Zero and the other is the assistant then it makes sense for it to be an orchestrated lie...to question the nature of the game.
For the record, my reasoning for thinking Cesar is the bomber is non-role related (after all, I'm just vanilla)
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Pierre wrote:
I get that it's your perspective and you feel the need to trust in something in this game. However Neptune has just said that Cesar is the Bomber, not Zero so his earlier assumption can't have been based on something as concrete as a Role PM. That means that only TWO of your three are lying. If one of those people is Zero and the other is the assistant then it makes sense for it to be an orchestrated lie...to question the nature of the game.
For the record, my reasoning for thinking Cesar is the bomber is non-role related (after all, I'm just vanilla)
New option to propose! We'll call it Option Fun
None of us go through any of the doors, none of us vote in the AB Game, and we all die
Then we corner Franzise in the afterlife and go "WHAT THE HELL?!"
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If you vote for Neptune's proposal, you're voting for a Zero victory. You will be sending two innocent people to death, meaning there will be 5 players left, one of whom is inactive and two of whom are Zero and Zero's assistant. That's 2 innocents vs. 2 scum. In mafia terms, that's a win for the mafia.
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Dammit Neptune, this is not a mafia game, it's a Nonary Game. Please don't use mafia meta here, it doesn't work
Anyway, I am seriously considering voting for Option Fun
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Vote: Option Fun
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Though I encourage you all to waste your votes. Like those voting for a third party in American elections, you are throwing your vote away and one of the legitimate options will get chosen instead.
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Notice I said Mafia META. I was referring to how, apparently, my behavior here is raising red flags because of my meta in mafia games.
I know, I was just being snarky
But if Franzise says that option fun is viable, I will absolutely vote for it
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I considered that the following was a possible truth:
Giggles->Jumpy->Lucky->Cold->Trace? Ami->Neptune->Cesar->Nanjo
Nobody is Zero.
That being said, that scenario only hurts after the game is over. For now, we play like there really is a Zero sr./Zero/Bomber/Murderer etc.
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But you kind of throw a wrench into that theory, Nanjo
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That theory works, too, if Nanjo and I are the end points. No one suspects me and he suspects no one.
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