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dangerousoffender wrote:
dullahan1 wrote:
I'm against her because she's outright stated how against Christianity she is and how she wants to do away with it and I'm terribly offended as a Christian.
Do you have any sources? I mean, it would be really dumb and contradictory for her to say that, because AFAIK, she
has always self-identified as Christian. That being said, I don't think anyone will look down on you because of that opinion. At this point, I just think that if they aren't extremists, bashing anyone over their political positions is just wrong.
Here's just something I'm pulling out here.
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"Hilary Clinton just said that Christians must deny their Faith through the enforcement of laws, by stating that the Christian belief in being pro-life, and anti-abortion, must change," warned Shoebat.com, "and that this should be done through laws and 'political will.' If Christians must change Christian teachings in regards to abortion, then what Hilary Clinton is essentially saying is that Christians must deny their Faith."
Whether it was something she meant intentionally or not, this is something I don't agree with. And before I'm accused for taking this out of context, wanting to change what she says as "the Christian belief" through laws and political belief is something I am very strongly against. The separation of Church and State is something that should remain. She seems keen in wanting to change Christian values through law, which to me, is essentially trying to force me to conform to her beliefs or rewriting the Bible. I've seen other things from her said in the same vein and I can't agree with her at all.
I stand as a Christian because I'm in full belief of what the Bible says. The only law I choose to stay committed to is the Bible, though I'm not opposed to following the law of my country as it's there for a reason. However, if the law of the country I serve chooses to contradict the word of the Bible, that's where I have a major problem. I'm willing to change how I worship and live for God if I find out I'm doing it wrong according to the Bible, but in no way am I going to change how I live for God for the sake of a government. God comes first to me, His law, and His word. Not man's. And man should never be allowed to change God's law.
Heck, I have a huge problem with a lot of today's Christians who conform for the sake of not offending others or so they can be more loose and do what they want. Yes, I desire peace between everyone. No, I'm not going to discriminate against people who are different than me. But the Bible mentions a thing called Sin, which in short, is going against God and doing as you please. Sin separates us from God. Sin keeps us from getting into Heaven. I hate sin because it serves only to hurt and hinder others and those living in it are doomed to hell unless they come to God. I hate sin because it dooms people. I don't want others to go to hell, I don't feel anyone should have to suffer that fate. It's why I hate sin so much.
Now, if I don't approve of a lifestyle, that's a personal matter that I won't go in to. Now, I look at Hillary. She stands for homosexuality and the LBGT movement. The way the democratic party's stance is nowadays, it's everything against the Bible teaches. She stands up in front of others and lies and yes Trump does that too. She discriminates, she slanders, she name calls, and comes across as just hateful. And yes, again, Trump is the same way. Whether intentional or not, it's keen to me that it seems she will lead this country further into sin, and that scares me. I won't argue if she's religious, but from what I've seen and read, she is far from being Christ-like and living as Christ did. I could never see Jesus emulating the kind of behavior she has shown. But for the record, in my opinion, being religious does not make you a Christian. For example, just like how being a square doesn't make you a rectangle.
And again, I have nothing against people. I have a problem against sin. For me, things that the Bible is against such as homosexuality and lying, to me, equate to the same thing. I hate both because both is sin. I don't hate the person. I hate the sin. I hate it because it leads to torment and death. And again, I don't want anyone to have to suffer that. Again, if I'm called conservative or whatever, so be it. My desire would be to see everyone go to Heaven and have no one go to Hell. And I despise it when the actions of others attempt to do just that. Whether it be leading others to sin or wanting to pervert Christianity and the Word of God. And I'm sorry, but I feel that's what Hillary is wanting to do.
And for the record, I bashed on the Democrats. I feel their party is essentially pro-sin at this point. However, I have a huge problem with the Republicans too. If the Democrats are pro-sin, the Republicans are the ones who are perverting what Christianity is. It angers me and I hate it so much that I'm powerless to do or change anything about this, and as the years go on, each party just seems to get progressively worse. And, in my opinion, Trump is just as "Christian" as I see "Hillary" as. The only difference for me at this point is that I feel that Hillary is purposely trying to destroy my country whereas Trump is going to accidentally end up destroying it because he has no clue as to what in the world he's really doing. And I'm sorry, but the definition of a Christian is someone who is "Christ-like" and strives to be like Jesus. I see neither of these two doing that and I get really triggered nowadays when I hear the term Christian thrown around so loosely.
I apologize for breaking out into such a rant. I guess with these non-sense elections, I finally hit my breaking point. I don't hate either of the candidates, but I strongly dislike them and I hate to think what the future of our country is going to be under either of their leaderships. And I apologize if my viewpoint is something that you don't agree with. It is my opinion after all.
@themechanic: You're fine dude, I can understand that this has all made you angry. Heck, I'm sure this election has done a number to all of us. I'm sure we all need to take a step back and cool off. It's just hard when the media is constantly stuffing this stuff down our throats. XD And I agree that we should be respectable of other's beliefs. That's how I'd want others to treat me too. Though I'm a Christian, I will never shove my beliefs down other people's throats. That's not something I'd want someone to do to me. Now if they ask about it, I'll tell them, but I will never force anyone. Heck, I got friends who are gay, transgender, muslim, catholic, atheist, etc, and we get along great. They all know what I stand for, and I know what they stand for. And we get along great because we respect each other. Yeah, we may have aspects of each other that we don't agree with, but we never hate each other for it. We get along peacefully and my gosh, I wish America was the same way. XD
And I apologize if I came across as bashing, that's not my intent at all and perhaps I could have worded myself better. The Bible mentions that when you see a brother or sister in sin, you should tell them so that they may be saved from it. To me, it's like if I see someone drowning. I'm not going to ignore, I'm going to help. And I'm not going to watch as someone drowns in sin and not do anything about it. And as for Hillary, I'm saying what I said because Biblically, she's giving off the wrong idea of what encompasses being a Christian, which is, to be Christ-like. And if her version of Christianity leads people further away from God, then yes, it is a big issue for me.
Not choosing to live for God, while I don't agree with, is something I will respect because it's a choice. Yeah, I'll pray for that person, but I'm not going to force anything on them. They choose how they want to live and I choose how I want to live and if I want respect for my choice, I better give them respect first. But when someone is purposely leading others astray, then yes, I will speak up.
@pierre: While I've considered a protest vote, at this point, it feels like a waste. Ultimately, the election is going to be between two candidates, and ultimately, an absent vote or protest vote pretty much means a vote for the other candidate. While I don't agree with neither Trump nor Hillary, I see Hillary as the worst of the two and putting in a protest vote is essentially giving her a vote. I'll just have to reluctantly bite the bullet and vote for Trump. But I honestly hate our voting system. It's to the point, what's the need for having other parties to vote for when in the end, it's always going to be a slog between the Republicans and the Democrats. It's a very flawed system in my eyes that I doubt will change any time soon.
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CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
I feel the same