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Spoiler: HUGE ACTUAL IDENTITY OF HEMLOCK
it's clearly the gold star

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i hope cardi does not do the obvious person.


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Schaden Freude
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Spoiler:
No, Hemlock is actually Larry Butz, who has got some sort of deep grudge against Phoenix(after all, he only stole the lunch money to frame him) and his stupidity and constant fails are nothing, but an act, to mask his superior intelligence. He was even involved in the last of case of AAI(and also with Quercus Alba, the previous ringleader, this way), and that couldn't have been a coincidence!
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megamike15 wrote:
i hope cardi does not do the obvious person.


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Schaden Freude

Actually,didn't Cardiovore say that
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Freude was going to be a witness in day two of trial? This is going to be interesting,but I'm sure he isn't Hemlock. Just someone who knows him.

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Southern Corn wrote:
megamike15 wrote:
i hope cardi does not do the obvious person.


Spoiler:
Schaden Freude

Actually,didn't Cardiovore say that
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Freude was going to be a witness in day two of trial? This is going to be interesting,but I'm sure he isn't Hemlock. Just someone who knows him.


Hope so.
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I read something interesting a while back that led me to this.
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I have a hunch that Hemlock is Snow. I mean there were only 3 people in that room: Vulper, Docks and Snow. We know it wasn't a suicide and Vulper actually didn't do it. Why would Vulper want to kill Snow? Maybe he was afraid of him, because he knew the truth. Once he failed he knew he would never be proven innocent so he decided to confess. Who has been there since the very beginning? And who was it who "accidentally" revealed Hemlock's name to Phoenix?

I originally thought that Hemlock would just be a completely new character introduced but going along with these "twist" endings the best course for this story would definitely be having someone we have gotten to know to end up being the big baddy all along. Oh wait maybe that sounds a little too much like another game, but at least we got to defend him in this one.

I have a feeling that Freude is going to be a red herring character unless the goal is to kind of re-create Rise from the Ashes. Or he can do the reverse-reverse red herring where he makes us think he isn't a red herring so he makes him the baddy but maybe I'm just overthinking this. Anyway take that theory/prediction with a grain of salt.
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Calling it now: Hemlock is Blizdi. :P
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Dollarluigi wrote:
Calling it now: Hemlock is Blizdi. :P

yup
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Blizdi wrote:
Dollarluigi wrote:
Calling it now: Hemlock is Blizdi. :P

yup


GOD DAMMIT BLIZDI YOU KILLED...wait, tryna remember who Hemlock killed...

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Blaine Chill? Wow...I honestly don't really care about him, so...you do you, Bliz.

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Thunder84 wrote:
Blizdi wrote:
Dollarluigi wrote:
Calling it now: Hemlock is Blizdi. :P

yup


GOD DAMMIT BLIZDI YOU KILLED...wait, tryna remember who Hemlock killed...

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Blaine Chill? Wow...I honestly don't really care about him, so...you do you, Bliz.


Okay I will
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Spoiler: in response to above
and Cedric and Perry and is evil and is mean and is sassy


those are super cereal crimes yo

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the only cereal here is the cereal we'll eat when cardiovore finally updates the thread when he isnt busy
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...I'm having cereal now. So there
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Wow. I was right. :P
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You guys ready for the surprise December 31st, 23:59:59 release of CoC Case 4 Part 2!!!!!!......................


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To be honest, THAT would be an awesome start for the new year, but I really hope that we will get the chance to see it before the end of the year.

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Hopefully it'll be at least before the sun burns out and we all die.
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While I wish it had come out this year, Contempt of Court being delayed to 2017 is a truly fitting way to end the fucking dumpster fire that was 2016.
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Really? I thought 2016 was a good year. Not as good as the last two years or 2007, but still pretty good.
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Yeah man, CoC being released this year would turn it from above mediocre to good
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Trial 2 and Investigation 3 are pretty much done, and a fair few months ago I started on the Final Trial segment. But due to lifestyle changes it was pretty much impossible to focus on the case. Hence, y'know, me going off and all. Hi, by the way.

I've made it a New Year's resolution to power through the rest of it, starting today. I'm so close to finishing the damn thing, I'm sure as hell not gonna stop now. And I know you've all been waiting (hi to all the new players by the way) so I'm gonna do my best to bring Contempt of Court to its long overdue conclusion.
Spoiler: In response to a comment I saw from a while back about the length of T-Scapegoat compared to other starting cases (also I ramble on a bit):
When I did Scapegoat I didn't take it that seriously. I didn't originally have plans to release it, I was just letting some creativity out. And I definitely didn't expect it to turn into a series, hence the long and generally conclusive feel of Scapegoat. That was also the reason why I chose Grossberg as the victim -- I was new at it all and I simply couldn't be arsed to create a whole new character. I had another idea afterwards for a second case and thus The Contempt of Court was born.

The "original" Scapegoat I definitely wouldn't have released. It was so much different and, to be fair, crap. When I expressed desire to contribute to fancases after playing Turnabout Substitution, I scrapped the entire thing and rebuilt it from the ground up, becoming Turnabout Scapegoat. I pretty much ad-libbed the whole thing, whereas now I plan and take notes. I recycled some characters from that lost case into Scapegoat and changed their roles up a bit. (Jack Crane was the defendant, Snow was still the detective, and Vulper didn't even exist.)

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Yeah,I'd say that Substitution is the weakest one by far. Even if it did have a good ending,I saw everything coming and the pacing was just really weird.


And I can't wait for the finale! Despite the mediocre first case,2 and 3 were really enjoyable and 4 has been too so far.
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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
Yeah,I'd say that Substitution is the weakest one by far. Even if it did have a good ending,I saw everything coming and the pacing was just really weird.


And I can't wait for the finale! Despite the mediocre first case,2 and 3 were really enjoyable and 4 has been too so far.

Glad you've been enjoying it so far! Yeah, at least now I hope I've explained why the first one was mediocre :gant:

EDIT: I actually loved Substitution's unique atmosphere, with its characters, settings and the choice in classical music. I also made the villain's breakdown for that game.
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Haha,think you have so.

Case two I felt was great because of its wonderful atmosphere and mystery,and the second investigation was great (completely made up for the bland first one), and I liked that you didn't reveal everything that was mentioned.


Case three was even better,because it was rather simple and fun and the ending was really cool. I do like some simplistic cases,but I like incomplete simple cases even more,in a sense.

The first part of case four has been intriguing so far,but the thing about Hemlock I feel may make him too obvious is that
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The police already have his profile. All Phoenix has to do is look him up in the records room.


As for his possible identity,I think it's either Snow,Greisen,Freude,or maybe someone we haven't even met.

I don't think it's Smith,though. Mainly because he RECIEVED a call from Hemlock,so it can't be him. Freude seems a bit obvious for my tastes as well. Greisen I think could be perfect for this. He could have covered up Blaine's murder and have known about it enough to blackmail him. Snow I feel I is the most likely because he's the only other person who could've killed Docks/Warren.

Btw what are the puns of the characters?

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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
Haha,think you have so.

Case two I felt was great because of its wonderful atmosphere and mystery,and the second investigation was great (completely made up for the bland first one), and I liked that you didn't reveal everything that was mentioned.


Case three was even better,because it was rather simple and fun and the ending was really cool. I do like some simplistic cases,but I like incomplete simple cases even more,in a sense.

The first part of case four has been intriguing so far,but the thing about Hemlock I feel may make him too obvious is that
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The police already have his profile. All Phoenix has to do is look him up in the records room.


As for his possible identity,I think it's either Snow,Greisen,Freude,or maybe someone we haven't even met.

I don't think it's Smith,though. Mainly because he RECIEVED a call from Hemlock,so it can't be him. Freude seems a bit obvious for my tastes as well. Greisen I think could be perfect for this. He could have covered up Blaine's murder and have known about it enough to blackmail him. Snow I feel I is the most likely because he's the only other person who could've killed Docks/Warren.

Btw what are the puns of the characters?

Yeah I like the atmosphere of Case 2, especially with the Persona music to give it that mysterious vibe. The song in the introduction scene is my favourite.

Case 3 was originally going to merge with Case 4 to make one huge Rise from the Ashes-worthy case, but decided to split it into two after it was released (hence why Part 1 ~ White as Snow is still in Case 3).

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The police already have his profile. All Phoenix has to do is look him up in the records room.

Without giving anything away, let's just say that wouldn't have been possible.

As for the character puns, there's aren't many of what you'd call "puns", but there's stories behind a lot of the names.

Spoiler: Name puns
Vex Vulper = "Vex" obviously because of his temperament. "Vulper" was the name of a vicious dog from a book I read as a kid. I have no idea what that book was, but the word always stuck with me and sounded good as a villainous surname. Actually sounds like a cross between "vulpine" and "viper".

Robert Snow = From an episode of Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons.

Erol Brisbane = "Erol" came from the character from Jak II. "Brisbane" I just like as a surname.

Terry Greisen = "Greisen" is a variety of granite rock, relating to his hardened personality.

Perry Docks = A pun on "paradox", makes a lick of sense later on. His real name "Clive Warren" came straight from a Ricky Gervais podcast (https://youtu.be/4ysaLrXnYGs?t=2m29s).

Morag Weever = "Morag" is a nice Scottish name. "Weever" is a variety of venomous fish, relating to her stinging way of speaking. The black stripe in her hair resembles the dorsal fin of a weever.

Renwick Smith = "Renwick" came from a character's surname in Episode 1 of Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, an amazing tongue-in-cheek cult comedy from years ago.

Schaden Freude = Self-explanatory. From the borrowed German word "schadenfreude", meaning pleasure derived from others' misfortunes. Separately, "schaden" means damage or harm, and "freude" means joy or pleasure, referring to his bipolarity.

If I can think of any more, I'll add them here!

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Ah,I see,p.

Actually,my favourite music in case two was the one in the nursery.


I didn't really like the final testimony theme though. It felt a bit too fast paced and not really that eerie.
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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
Ah,I see,p.

Actually,my favourite music in case two was the one in the nursery.


I didn't really like the final testimony theme though. It felt a bit too fast paced and not really that eerie.

That's the one :) I also used it for the intro scene.

Yeah, same here. There's often been times where I've looked back and cringed at a song choice or piece of dialogue. May change them in the final release.
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I found leaked pics of hemlock:

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Oh right,I almost forgot about this other suspect I had.

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Vincenzo Cicatrice. As pointed out earlier,the puppet master didn't have him for some reason. He also was there during the flashback trial,but disappeared afterwards. This could possibly be a ruse.

Wait a minute...he was voiced by the same guy who made CoI?! Now it all makes sense! he was clearly running away for half a year so that you wouldn't finish this game on time how could he

Also,are the plot points about Rubin being the fiancé of Cedric's brother and the 'ghost' Phoenix saw at the hotel going to come back soon? I'm not a hundred percent sure if those are going to be important anytime soon yet.

And btw Cardiovord,you also forgot Maris,Cedric and Barrows for the name puns. :-P

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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
Oh right,I almost forgot about this other suspect I had.

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Vincenzo Cicatrice. As pointed out earlier,the puppet master didn't have him for some reason. He also was there during the flashback trial,but disappeared afterwards. This could possibly be a ruse.

Wait a minute...he was voiced by the same guy who made CoI?! Now it all makes sense! he was clearly running away for half a year so that you wouldn't finish this game on time how could he

Also,are the plot points about Rubin being the fiancé of Cedric's brother and the 'ghost' Phoenix saw at the hotel going to come back soon? I'm not a hundred percent sure if those are going to be important anytime soon yet.

And btw Cardiovord,you also forgot Maris,Cedric and Barrows for the name puns. :-P


There are no puns for them sadly! Just a mix of names and surnames I plucked from references here and there.
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The "ghost" Phoenix saw was Stan Nyph waiting to meet Maplethorpe, albeit on the wrong floor. And no, the other bit was just backstory.

Vinnie's a good suspect, his name's cropped up now and again.
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Interesting.....


I feel that despite case two having a good atmosphere and all,it would've been quite nice if it had been just its own thing with no relevance to the plot. Just being real spooky,but at the end everything's cleared up.

It's funny too,because I remember there was a big deal about the ghost's name somewhere or another. Maybe it's just me.
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oh shit I missed a lot. Great to see that this is still going strong.
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Cardiovore wrote:
I also made the villain's breakdown for that game.


I did not know this until today.
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Ropfa wrote:
Cardiovore wrote:
I also made the villain's breakdown for that game.


I did not know this until today.


Wow get with the program i knew since forever ago. noooooOOOOb
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Well, it's good to see, that the project is still alive, and I can't wait to finally see the conclusion to the final case.

And regarding this, I've got a theory(this time a serious one) regarding the identity of Hemlock, but it's actually just a hunch, so I'm not sure if it will hold any waters.

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So, we all know, that this Hemlock guy can see and hear everything, and has knowledge about almost everyone. Now, I think that this description fits quite perfectly another person in the AA universe, whom Phoenix encountered during the first game. Namely Redd White, who is the CEO of Bluecorp, a company which focuses on collecting data, which can be used by White, to blackmail, anyone he wishes. And if I recall correctly, he was also blackmailing Vex Vulper during the first case, and since Redd bailed him out of prison, he still owes him some debt, which explains his motive for Case 3, because I'm still convinced that despite the impossibble circumstances, he is the culprit. And yes, even though at the time of CoC, Redd is probably in prison, Bluecorp is still functioning, and Redd can easily control things even from his cell, after all, he could have blackmailed the staff at the prison, to grant him "special privilages", and he even has a personal grudge against Phoenix.

Of course, it's just some wild conjecture and a hunch,(since it was quite a time since I played both the original game, and CoC, so I don't remember a lot of details) and I'm still not sure, how could he have taken over Alba's place, but his mention at Case 1, just made me a bit suspicious. And to be honest, the whole encounter with him in AA felt a bit anticlimatic, so it would be quite nice to have the chance to take him down again, this time as a final villain.


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Doma998 wrote:
Well, it's good to see, that the project is still alive, and I can't wait to finally see the conclusion to the final case.

And regarding this, I've got a theory(this time a serious one) regarding the identity of Hemlock, but it's actually just a hunch, so I'm not sure if it will hold any waters.

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So, we all know, that this Hemlock guy can see and hear everything, and has knowledge about almost everyone. Now, I think that this description fits quite perfectly another person in the AA universe, whom Phoenix encountered during the first game. Namely Redd White, who is the CEO of Bluecorp, a company which focuses on collecting data, which can be used by White, to blackmail, anyone he wishes. And if I recall correctly, he was also blackmailing Vex Vulper during the first case, and since Redd bailed him out of prison, he still owes him some debt, which explains his motive for Case 3, because I'm still convinced that despite the inpossibble circumstances, he is the culprit. And yes, even though at the time of CoC, Redd is probably in prison, Bluecorp is still functioning, and Redd can easily control things even from his cell, after all, he could have blackmailed the staff at the prison, to grant him "special privilages, and he even has a personal grudge against Phoenix."

Of course, it's just some wild conjecture and a hunch,(since it was quite a time since I played both the original game, and CoC, so I don't remember a lot of details) and I'm still not sure, how could he have taken over Alba's place, but his mention at Case 1, just made me a bit suspicious. And to be honest, the whole encounter with him in AA felt a bit anticlimatic, so it would be quite nice to have the chance to take him down again, this time as a final villain.



This theory is like half crack theory half serious and I love it
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What if Hemlock is Ganondorf?

What if, after all these years, the climax of the last case is a joke ending where Hemlock is Ganondorf for absolutely no reason?

It doesn't have to make sense. Just ruin your entire series with that ending. I've always wanted a really long and good series to end with a joke ending that ruins everything.

Just have him be Ganondorf.
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Honestly with all the mystery surrounding Hemlock's identity it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up having a joke ending.

Also:

Doma998 wrote:
Well, it's good to see, that the project is still alive, and I can't wait to finally see the conclusion to the final case.

And regarding this, I've got a theory(this time a serious one) regarding the identity of Hemlock, but it's actually just a hunch, so I'm not sure if it will hold any waters.

Spoiler:
So, we all know, that this Hemlock guy can see and hear everything, and has knowledge about almost everyone. Now, I think that this description fits quite perfectly another person in the AA universe, whom Phoenix encountered during the first game. Namely Redd White, who is the CEO of Bluecorp, a company which focuses on collecting data, which can be used by White, to blackmail, anyone he wishes. And if I recall correctly, he was also blackmailing Vex Vulper during the first case, and since Redd bailed him out of prison, he still owes him some debt, which explains his motive for Case 3, because I'm still convinced that despite the impossibble circumstances, he is the culprit. And yes, even though at the time of CoC, Redd is probably in prison, Bluecorp is still functioning, and Redd can easily control things even from his cell, after all, he could have blackmailed the staff at the prison, to grant him "special privilages", and he even has a personal grudge against Phoenix.

Of course, it's just some wild conjecture and a hunch,(since it was quite a time since I played both the original game, and CoC, so I don't remember a lot of details) and I'm still not sure, how could he have taken over Alba's place, but his mention at Case 1, just made me a bit suspicious. And to be honest, the whole encounter with him in AA felt a bit anticlimatic, so it would be quite nice to have the chance to take him down again, this time as a final villain.


To make this more of a crack theory, what if

Spoiler:
The villain is April May, who took over Bluecorp after the end of 1-2?

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I thought that person was arrested though?
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