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Also, by looking through the Rips, I've found out that Hart Vortex is the killer of Case 5. There's plenty of sound effects labeled break for him.
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https://youtu.be/D8I9KLrzoJo someone uploaded all the breakdowns to youtube. That person has no videos for the rest of the game yet however.
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And My God, is the Case 5 Breakdown incredible.
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But hold on so the Japanese judge (Jigoku right) is bad??
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Alan Bernard wrote:
I have a question. Considering that we have these confirmed killers:
Case 1: Cameraman
Case 2: Petenshy
Case 3: Sithe as Accomplice
Case 4: Unsure, but continues into Case 5
Case 5: Hart Vortex?
Case 1: Cameraman
Case 2: Petenshy
Case 3: Sithe as Accomplice
Case 4: Unsure, but continues into Case 5
Case 5: Hart Vortex?
Also the Japanese judge is an accomplice for case 5
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Either way, my theory is that Vortex was the real Professor (because his actions in the background of this game have been entirely fishy and, again, he was a prosecutor back when Klimt was the Chief Prosecutor and now he's up in the ranks ten years later) and the Japanese judge attempted to expose the truth behind the Professor, because that stuff from ten years ago in which one of their friends died still haunts him. In his breakdown, he says something about ten years ago, I think. Japanese judge attempted desperately to save Genshin (and yes, it made him look very suspicious in the process, but I think that's a red herring) and now he's been working with Mikotoba.
Just a theory, of course.
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Edit: And I didn't mean 'copycat' as in 'makes the killings look like theirs,' I meant copycat as in 'that guy seems to have the right idea, let's kill people for the greater good.'
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Edit: Just had a thought. Given all we got were initials for their first names, Jezail might not be the only one on the list operating under an alias or a changed name.
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Alan Bernard wrote:
I have a question. Considering that we have these confirmed killers:
Case 1: Cameraman
Case 2: Petenshy
Case 3: Sithe as Accomplice
Case 4: Unsure, but continues into Case 5
Case 5: Hart Vortex?
Case 1: Cameraman
Case 2: Petenshy
Case 3: Sithe as Accomplice
Case 4: Unsure, but continues into Case 5
Case 5: Hart Vortex?
For Case 2, Viridian is also one of the "killers" as she tried to kill Petenshy.
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Edit: Just had a thought: Moriarty's characterisation. Which character in this game would you say has the sort of personality that would fit someone like Moriarty? It's got to be Vortex, with his obsession with time and control. The mastermind behind the Professor; remember, Moriarty wasn't one to get his own hands dirty if he could help it.
Edit 2: Another thought. The list of names. Remember the Yatagarasu?
Control the attorney, you control the defense. K. Asougi.
Control the detective, you control the crime scene. T. Gregson.
Control the doctor, you control the autopsy. J. Watson.
Control the prosecutor? Why bother? No sense getting everyone found guilty; let a few get found innocent so people don't think there's something up with the system, then use your assassin to fix the problem if needed.
And it just so happens one of the liveblogs just found that A. Sasha was the assassin who made Barok's curse happen.
Why go to the effort? Well, you've got a jury; they cast verdicts based on emotion, and they're (at least supposedly) random. No way you can control them all. Why would someone like Vortex accept a system he can't control?
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Kiyanavasala wrote:
And now we've also taken down someone in every courtroom role while they've been performing that role, except for a bailiff.
Edit: Just had a thought: Moriarty's characterisation. Which character in this game would you say has the sort of personality that would fit someone like Moriarty? It's got to be Vortex, with his obsession with time and control. The mastermind behind the Professor; remember, Moriarty wasn't one to get his own hands dirty if he could help it.
Edit 2: Another thought. The list of names. Remember the Yatagarasu?
Control the attorney, you control the defense. K. Asougi.
Control the detective, you control the crime scene. T. Gregson.
Control the doctor, you control the autopsy. J. Watson.
Control the prosecutor? Why bother? No sense getting everyone found guilty; let a few get found innocent so people don't think there's something up with the system, then use your assassin to fix the problem if needed.
And it just so happens one of the liveblogs just found that A. Sasha was the assassin who made Barok's curse happen.
Why go to the effort? Well, you've got a jury; they cast verdicts based on emotion, and they're (at least supposedly) random. No way you can control them all. Why would someone like Vortex accept a system he can't control?
Edit: Just had a thought: Moriarty's characterisation. Which character in this game would you say has the sort of personality that would fit someone like Moriarty? It's got to be Vortex, with his obsession with time and control. The mastermind behind the Professor; remember, Moriarty wasn't one to get his own hands dirty if he could help it.
Edit 2: Another thought. The list of names. Remember the Yatagarasu?
Control the attorney, you control the defense. K. Asougi.
Control the detective, you control the crime scene. T. Gregson.
Control the doctor, you control the autopsy. J. Watson.
Control the prosecutor? Why bother? No sense getting everyone found guilty; let a few get found innocent so people don't think there's something up with the system, then use your assassin to fix the problem if needed.
And it just so happens one of the liveblogs just found that A. Sasha was the assassin who made Barok's curse happen.
Why go to the effort? Well, you've got a jury; they cast verdicts based on emotion, and they're (at least supposedly) random. No way you can control them all. Why would someone like Vortex accept a system he can't control?
Vortex didn't like it, but he didn't have a choice, because he was a mere prosecutor when the jury rule went into effect. In fact, he threw out all the jurors in case 5, which ultimately led to his demise.
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"mikotoba went to see genshin before he died and genshin made one final request to his friend.
mikotoba did as he was told and went to a certain address and found a woman about to give birth there. as a doctor, he helped her, but the mother died soon after. then his eyes drifted to a suitcase in the corner with the crest of the baskervilles on it and realized
Iris's parent's are klimt van zieks and his wife, a baskerville."
So...yeah, that happened too.
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That does answer my unsaid question though, if Iris's father was Yuujin she'd be half Japanese and you'd think people in London would notice considering.
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Okay I did not see any of that coming. I guess in a sense, that does still make Vortex more like Moriarty than Klimt, because while Klimt did all the dirty work, Vortex was the one pulling the strings. I wonder what happened to the hound, though? If Klimt died because of a duel with Genshin, how could this death have been linked to the Professor? Is it because the falsified autopsy report made it seem like he was attacked by a dog?
Also... jfc that thing about Iris. WOW. Um. I'm not sure I like this? I'm not seeing the point of this twist at all.
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First thinking it's Yuujin, then revealing it's Klimt and all.
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I find the Yuujin twist a little insulting, too. Maybe it's just my sentimental attachments to 'canon' Holmes crying out in pain, but it bugs me that Watson exists in this universe- he was a real guy- and instead of going on adventures with him Holmes developed a strong partnership with some other guy. Holmes might not even have known John Watson beyond 'Yuujin's colleague'. Yuujin has the same basic personality as Watson as we're familiar with him, I know that, but... He's NOT Watson. And Sherlock didn't do a thing to correct Iris's assumption that her father was named John Watson. He let her believe that some total stranger was her dad.
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As for Watson, I guess in the AA-verse he only existed as a giant red herring for players, and a random coroner in universe.
Now I wonder what reason could possibly be good enough for Sherlock to not tell Iris who her father was. Maybe Vortex would've hunted down Klimt's children or something so it had to be kept secret?
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I do think pepole will be mixed on the twists presented in this game. Some of them are really great but some of them are kinda eh
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She might become more important in case 5. I don't know.
I find the Yuujin twist a little insulting, too. Maybe it's just my sentimental attachments to 'canon' Holmes crying out in pain, but it bugs me that Watson exists in this universe- he was a real guy- and instead of going on adventures with him Holmes developed a strong partnership with some other guy. Holmes might not even have known John Watson beyond 'Yuujin's colleague'. Yuujin has the same basic personality as Watson as we're familiar with him, I know that, but... He's NOT Watson. And Sherlock didn't do a thing to correct Iris's assumption that her father was named John Watson. He let her believe that some total stranger was her dad.
I find the Yuujin twist a little insulting, too. Maybe it's just my sentimental attachments to 'canon' Holmes crying out in pain, but it bugs me that Watson exists in this universe- he was a real guy- and instead of going on adventures with him Holmes developed a strong partnership with some other guy. Holmes might not even have known John Watson beyond 'Yuujin's colleague'. Yuujin has the same basic personality as Watson as we're familiar with him, I know that, but... He's NOT Watson. And Sherlock didn't do a thing to correct Iris's assumption that her father was named John Watson. He let her believe that some total stranger was her dad.
Related, when looking at the profiles, when I saw Yuujin in his suit, I initially thought he was Watson at first because they looked similar to me, and that they were going to pull that again with Watson being alive.
...Turns out I was right at the first point, not the second one...
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And now that I've had some time to think it over and get more details, I'm actually sort of glad that Mikotoba is the Watson of this universe. What a lot of us wanted in DGS2 was a 'flashback case' featuring Holmes and Watson, so we could see their dynamic in action. What it gave us instead was a bit of investigation (and Join Reasoning, heck yeah!!!) with Holmes and Mikotoba, who is basically Watson, except alive. He's ALIVE. Holmes deserves a partner who's alive and who will (hopefully) continue investigating with him. And I kind of like the idea of Holmes becoming best friends with a Japanese man even before he met Naruhodou.
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I had a gut feeling that Vortex would be the big bad, but the Japanese judge being an accomplice is...surprising. Wish we could hear their breakdowns with audio instead of just the pursuit theme overlayed.
Is there a video of all of the breakdowns?
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I had a gut feeling that Vortex would be the big bad, but the Japanese judge being an accomplice is...surprising. Wish we could hear their breakdowns with audio instead of just the pursuit theme overlayed.
That's an annoying trend I've noticed with Japanese breakdown videos for some reason. I remember seeing an SoJ breakdown video last year that was the same way. Really bugs me.
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https://youtu.be/D8I9KLrzoJo someone uploaded all the breakdowns to youtube. That person has no videos for the rest of the game yet however.
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