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Overall, I love the new system, and I'm glad Squeenix made the switch.
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Pickens wrote:
(Final Fantasy 9 and 6 are imo the two best games in the series)
No love for FF8?
Anyways, I think the combat system is better. Would you rather have the same old rehashed and reused system that has been done for OVER 11 GAMES. Or how about a brand new (and well done) system for combat.
As for LP for armor, I can see your point. But that is if you don't count sheilds as armor. But the rest is more like "building proficiency" if you can call it that.
However, that comment about 'little money' is somewhat odd. If you just did like you are supposed to and rack up chains and steal from everything you encounter, you'll be rolling in money. Before I left the first town I had well over 10k gil.
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DarkFlood wrote:
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(Final Fantasy 9 and 6 are imo the two best games in the series)
No love for FF8?
Anyways, I think the combat system is better. Would you rather have the same old rehashed and reused system that has been done for OVER 11 GAMES. Or how about a brand new (and well done) system for combat.
As for LP for armor, I can see your point. But that is if you don't count sheilds as armor. But the rest is more like "building proficiency" if you can call it that.
However, that comment about 'little money' is somewhat odd. If you just did like you are supposed to and rack up chains and steal from everything you encounter, you'll be rolling in money. Before I left the first town I had well over 10k gil.
Ehhh, FF8 was a fun game but it's certainly not my favorite. I mean I really didn't like Squall, but I did enjoy the other characters, besides Ultimecia. She's one of the lamest villains ever. "I want to compress time so I can be the most powerful person in time, and you don't see me until the end of the game, and I'm pretty poorly explained! MUHAHAHAHA!" But besides that, I had a good time playing it.
And yeah, I wouldn't have minded the battle system if I was actually working towards some sort of goal other than getting to the end of an area, since the 'story' isn't very appealing, but because I had nothing to worry about It felt a lot like a rambling dungeon crawler.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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And FF7 is fail, but not as fail ass FFX-2.
God I hated FFX-2... But that's a topic to be saved for another day.
I guess FF12's combat system is more suited for MMORPG/Tactics game players.
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FF12's story goes incredibly linear, its as bad as X-2... Not that saying they are FAIL or anything.
When Im stuck at some point, I'll lose the drive to do the level grinding.Few days later when I turn on my FF12, I'll feel addicted once again. Irony.
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I certainly enjoyed it better than X. That just had me rolling my eyes all over the place. Talk about your boring endings.
I know FFXII isn't for everyone, but I'll take a simple, solid storyline with some very memorable characters over some of the convoluted emo bonanza that goes along with Nomura these days.
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After that the game failed. The Grid system was a hassle, the game was about as liner as any book, and I kept wanting to toss my party off a bridge for their poor personalities. And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
Anyways, Tactics, VI, and IX were my favorite games, and it's nice to see the game under different direction so I'll be picking this title up when I can find it cheap. I'm starting to learn that the Final Fantasy titles aren't quite worth the money invested in them.
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Wooster wrote:
I had only two positive things to say about X, the ability to mid battle swap your characters, and that the bosses for the most part had some stratagy element to them, which made them more then buffed up random encounters.
After that the game failed. The Grid system was a hassle, the game was about as liner as any book, and I kept wanting to toss my party off a bridge for their poor personalities. And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
After that the game failed. The Grid system was a hassle, the game was about as liner as any book, and I kept wanting to toss my party off a bridge for their poor personalities. And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
Yeah, guess why they made X-2?
-MEGA CHARRACTER SWAP this time.
-Same strategical bosses, plus even more.
-No grid system.
-Best skill development system so far, IMO.
-As unliniar as it goes.
-Get rid of the junky charracters.
But oh well, this is about XII, not X-II. I'll get back once I've found a copy of this.
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Wooster wrote:
And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
No, no he doesn't.
He always felt too much like Seifer to me: he's supposed to be a villain, you're supposed to hate him (or at least not like him when he's around...that's what villains are for...) but they both just kind of fall flat. Maybe if they were harder they would be more of a threat. They were just like...blahhhh.
Where as in XII you've got the Judges, who were sweet. One of them had a little of the WHY WON'T YOU JUST DIE feeling by the end, but at least that's better than, "Hey, look, it's Seifer. I guess we gotta fight him or something."
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Mikker wrote:
-Get rid of the junky charracters.
Agreed on everything except that one. Yuna, Rikku and Paine? A trio of annoyance never before matched in gaming.
Also, the music was horrendous in both games. Except the battle themes.
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Attorney Hatman wrote:
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-Get rid of the junky charracters.
Agreed on everything except that one. Yuna, Rikku and Paine? A trio of annoyance never before matched in gaming.
Also, the music was horrendous in both games. Except the battle themes.
Yeah, the charrecters wern't exceptional in any way, though I did like some of the charracter changes in there.
I thought they music in X-2 was awesome. Excelent, simply put.
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Wooster wrote:
I had only two positive things to say about X, the ability to mid battle swap your characters, and that the bosses for the most part had some stratagy element to them, which made them more then buffed up random encounters.
After that the game failed. The Grid system was a hassle, the game was about as liner as any book, and I kept wanting to toss my party off a bridge for their poor personalities. And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
Anyways, Tactics, VI, and IX were my favorite games, and it's nice to see the game under different direction so I'll be picking this title up when I can find it cheap. I'm starting to learn that the Final Fantasy titles aren't quite worth the money invested in them.
After that the game failed. The Grid system was a hassle, the game was about as liner as any book, and I kept wanting to toss my party off a bridge for their poor personalities. And Seymore? Does he qualify as a villian?
Anyways, Tactics, VI, and IX were my favorite games, and it's nice to see the game under different direction so I'll be picking this title up when I can find it cheap. I'm starting to learn that the Final Fantasy titles aren't quite worth the money invested in them.
I personally loved X, The grid system was a unique and balanced way of earning skills, and the funny thing is, when I talked to people I know about X and they hate it, they always say their favorite feature was the grid system.
As for the story for X, imo, Tidus was a GOOD main character and I don't think people give him enough credit just because his voice was annoying and he dresses rather stupidly. He was certainly the easiest main character to identify with, since both the player and Tidus are approaching Spira from relatively the same place. Niether the main character nor the player know a thing about when you go there, so it gives a good reason to explain customs, religions etc. When you think about it, doing this was really quite ingenious.
I also really liked the ending (which made Tidus an even better main character, and it's one of the few 'love' stories I care for.) The battle system was tight and pretty much perfect. The only bad thing I really have to say about it was that it lacked a solid protagonist (Though Yu Yevon certainly does more than most villains if you think about it; he pretty much controls the world for 1000 years, more than Vayne or most anybody can say, but he lacks a defined character), and that a lot of your party was pretty much useless to the story. The only characters that really mattered were Tidus, Yuna, Auron, Rikku, and maybe Wakka (he was most important towards the beginning, though I think he was used towards the end to signify the attitude of most Yevonites towards certain things like the Al Bhed and Yevon being a bogus religion.) Lulu was completely useless and the only purpose Khimari served was that he witnessed Auron dying.
Overall though, X had a clearly defined theme, and compared to most RPGs the story was fantastic, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the better titles in the FF series (VI, VII, and IX), but I like it A LOT more than VIII and XII; Reasons: VIII: Ultimecia was just lame and Squall's an awful main character I could go on about the story , but to it's credit I had I fun time playing it, XII: I really don't want to sit in front of a television merely watching characters (because of gambits) I don't care about in a world I could care less about's suffering from crappy politics, and I'll take a Tidus over a Vaan any day of the week.
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Wooster wrote:
I had only two positive things to say about X, the ability to mid battle swap your characters, and that the bosses for the most part had some stratagy element to them, which made them more then buffed up random encounters.
Howwwwwever,the lack of strategic boss fights are so few that it makes want to cry(as compared to the monster arena, the omega dungeon, the dark aeons).. It gives the players the mentality that power leveling>playing strategically..
Some people like equal development of characters(FFX or FFXII style), while others prefer characterization(jobs, dress spheres)...
Personally, I think the FFT style or dress sphere style is more balanced.
Its like,although you know that you can learn every party members' abilities for every job, but still you have to divide their jobs properly.
In FFXII, its more vague in this area..
Story-wise, imo, FFXII are less light-hearted compared to the previous series...and besides I havent finish the game, I have no say here..
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I like dark games, maybe thats why FF12 has more appeal to me. Tactics was, in my opinion, the best FF game to date. And they did do a good homage to it with FF12. Sort of like a prequel to FFT. And let's not forget that all of the voice actors for FF12 (excluding the one for Vann) were excellent. No, they were far better than excellent. Plus, since you have to think on your feet, no 'wait' atb system to save you, you can learn to strategize more effectively. Plus, you can avoid encounters more readily.
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The game was fun but I could not stand the music. Not my thing I guess. I did like the girls. I mean come on payne is nothing more then a ragin lesbain right?
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There were plenty of sidequests and, despite the bad music, the battle system was good enough to garner my attention... But battles and sidequests are not supposed to be the mainstays of a game! Leave that to the many MMORPG games out there.
And I forgot to mention one last character that they really screwed up with. Brother. Seriousley, what the hell? He's some sort of perverted freak.. And that doesen't even cover it. I don't know how high the developers were when making the game, but something like THAT shouldn't be... His personality drastically changed from FFX. Not in a good way either.
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There were plenty of sidequests and, despite the bad music, the battle system was good enough to garner my attention... But battles and sidequests are not supposed to be the mainstays of a game! Leave that to the many MMORPG games out there.
And because it's Final Fantasy, plot and music obviously has to reside over gameplay? You know, Final Fantasy is really just a label that guarantees high-quality RPG (or not, to some), it's not some series where everything has to be consistent.
I liked how there wasn't a huge focus on plot, and really just a bunch of side-quests, missions, and battles.
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And I don't think that FFX-2 was high quality. I recall going into an EB games once about a month after FFX-2 released, and there was an entire shelf FILLED with returned FFX-2 games. I'm not talking about 2 or 3, I'm saying at least two dozen.
As for music, would you rather, listen to a rockin' battle theme, a tense and dark orchestra theme, or crappy j-pop? That choice, I leave to you. But I'd like to know where you got the idea that I said that music is more important than gameplay. I was simply lamenting how the music wasn't good.
Since RPG games aren't as big on gameplay as FPS games, they have to make the plot good to fill in the gap.
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And still, you don't get it. RPG doesn't mean, "plot first, gameplay second". The ever famous, for some odd reason, Elder Scrolls game series is a good example of that. Traditional RPG's have never been about that either, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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DarkFlood wrote:
And I don't think that FFX-2 was high quality. I recall going into an EB games once about a month after FFX-2 released, and there was an entire shelf FILLED with returned FFX-2 games. I'm not talking about 2 or 3, I'm saying at least two dozen.
Are you sure they were returned and not just traded in? It's very common for loads of people to trade in new games soon after they're released.
I agree with Holy Hell. I don't care what everyone else says; I'll take great gameplay in an RPG over a great storyline anyday. If any game (not just RPGs) has interesting characters and/or storyline elements but irritating gameplay for whatever reason, I just don't feel motivated to play it.
Also, I'm not as picky about unoriginality in storylines as most people. I don't think every RPG has to completely re-invent the typical "young person saving the world" plot to have a good storyline like some gamers seem to. As long as I find myself wanting to know what happens next, I'm good with the story. Of course, if it's COMPLETELY unoriginal, lame, and never interesting, that's different.
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I've never been a fan of the Tales battle system though. Still, it was enjoyable at least.
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Exactly. Take Tales of Symphonia for example. When you get down to it, there wasn't an original bone in it's charming little body, and yet, it was fun. It was handled so well, it didn't matter.
I've never been a fan of the Tales battle system though. Still, it was enjoyable at least.
I've never been a fan of the Tales battle system though. Still, it was enjoyable at least.
Yeah, I enjoyed ToS's plot most of the time. The only time the unoriginality really jumped out at my face was when...
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I enjoyed the battle system in Symphonia. I just wish Namco had added something to it to make it less button-masher friendly like they did with Tales of Destiny 2 and Tales of Rebirth.
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As for the games being returned, they were all piled on the used games shelf and surrounded by more used games.
It really depends on the sub genre of RPG games. For games such as FF games, story is put on a higher emphasis as you usually don't 'act out' your battles in real time.. You don't directly control your character. Thus the gameplay factor takes a hit and the story fills the gap. For games like Oblivion and whatnot, you do more in real time. Your actions directly control your character, not simply telling characters what to do. But this is different, there is better gameplay, but the story doesn't have to suffer from it.
That is your difference and why you can't put plot first over gameplay, or the opposite. I gues when I referred to 'an MMO' I was referring to gmes where you play in real time.
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Well, first, the Elder scrolls series and the FF series are both on whole different levels. You can barely compare the two as they are different types of RPG. Let's not debate over apples and oranges.
As for the games being returned, they were all piled on the used games shelf and surrounded by more used games.
It really depends on the sub genre of RPG games. For games such as FF games, story is put on a higher emphasis as you usually don't 'act out' your battles in real time.. You don't directly control your character. Thus the gameplay factor takes a hit and the story fills the gap. For games like Oblivion and whatnot, you do more in real time. Your actions directly control your character, not simply telling characters what to do. But this is different, there is better gameplay, but the story doesn't have to suffer from it.
That is your difference and why you can't put plot first over gameplay, or the opposite. I gues when I referred to 'an MMO' I was referring to gmes where you play in real time.
As for the games being returned, they were all piled on the used games shelf and surrounded by more used games.
It really depends on the sub genre of RPG games. For games such as FF games, story is put on a higher emphasis as you usually don't 'act out' your battles in real time.. You don't directly control your character. Thus the gameplay factor takes a hit and the story fills the gap. For games like Oblivion and whatnot, you do more in real time. Your actions directly control your character, not simply telling characters what to do. But this is different, there is better gameplay, but the story doesn't have to suffer from it.
That is your difference and why you can't put plot first over gameplay, or the opposite. I gues when I referred to 'an MMO' I was referring to gmes where you play in real time.
Elder Scrolls and Final Fantasy may be different kinds of RPG's, but they are still RPG's.
And anyways, it doesn't depend. Ever. What you're basically saying is that every J-RPG has to follow those guidelines or it fails in it's duty as a J-RPG. Which makes no sense. Plot can take a backseat to gameplay and still be just as good as any other game.
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I'll be honest and say: "I've only played the demo that came with Dragon quest 8"
But I did like the game play that was in the demo.
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1. Some marks require specific parties to appear.
2. When your initial party dies the other three characters automatically come in, so it's worth training them all so the back ups can revive the first party and you can't really die unless you're dieng within seconds.
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The whole "being able to move during fights" was pointless. You could NOT escape being attacked by quick maneuvering, it wasn't an actual "Real Time" battle (It's still ATB, but with moving) so what's the point? It never helped one bit, it was just annoying, IMO. I would have prefered something like Chrono Trigger, whereby enemies are on the map and you go straight into a normal ATB battle (no annoying battle transitions)... Not exactly like that, but something similar.
I really think they should have used the same (or a similar) battle system used in FFX-2. Obviously not the whole dress-sphere palaver, but the whole dynamic positioning and such, combined with the normal Final Fantasy ATB system, which made FFX-2 one of my favourite battle systems ever (second only to Final Fantasy 7 and 9, but I never really liked the battle sprites in the 2D games so I rarely played them).
I also find the battle system gets a little monotonous, and that it's very easy to abuse the Gambit system. I haven't got particularly far in the game, I'll admit (Can't remember where I was... I think I have... 3 espers, maybe? I remember I was trying to get Adrammalech (?) when I stopped playing), but even where I was, I could just lay the controller to rest against a boss and probably win. I originally started playing the Japanese version, and got to where I stated earlier, and when I got the American version I found it very difficult to start up again, because I was bored of the battle system (doesn't usually happen, I usually have trouble starting RPGs again, but its usually because the introduction is long, and the whole storyline aspect of the game is dead to me this time, since I've already done it)... but... this time I hated fighting...? (This is why I said that the battle system gets monotonous... I got bored of it) I haven't been able to beat FF12 because of this (when I got the American version I stupidly deleted my Japanese save).
Basically, I commend Square-enix for trying to tackle some peoples' issues with Final Fantasy... but I hope they don't make this the "norm" for Final Fantasy games. I really hope it was just a one off.
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Yes for two reasons:
1. Some marks require specific parties to appear.
2. When your initial party dies the other three characters automatically come in, so it's worth training them all so the back ups can revive the first party and you can't really die unless you're dieng within seconds.
Thanks for the tip, buddy.
1. Some marks require specific parties to appear.
2. When your initial party dies the other three characters automatically come in, so it's worth training them all so the back ups can revive the first party and you can't really die unless you're dieng within seconds.
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