Between the main villains of the PW1-3 games.... who's the most evil?




Wait, you can't make a poll here? >_>

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Since I haven't played GS3 or read in detail the spoilers, I would have to say either Gant or .

-Rufus

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<---that one

From what little I know, she was a bitch. SHANK HER!!

-Rufus

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Dahlia, for sure. Gant and Manfred had good intentions at one point in their lives, but Manfred became far too obsessed with his perfect record, and Gant pretty much went mad with power. Engarde comes pretty close, but Dahlia edges him out simply because after she was convicted, she was still plotting her revenge that she would see through even if she was executed. What did Engarde do? Scratch his face up.

It's a bit of a tough one, but I'd say Dahlia.

Might change my mind after playing through GS4 when it comes out in english.

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Don't forget about ! She would let her own daughter be unjustly be brought to death, and she would let Pearls summon a woman to kill her best friend (lying to her and using her power as a mother and Pearls' naivety to manipulate her), all for her own self-satisfaction. I don't agree with Dahlia on much but I certainly think her mother's worse than she is.

Brr... She still creeps me out. "A mother's love", indeed...

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GS1 - Raising Edgeworth merely as part of an elaborate revenge plot that nearly worked? Pretty damn nasty. Gant too, manipulating his way up the ladder until he was nearly untouchable was great too, very satisfying to beat him.

GS2 - Matt is a piece of work, but most of the reason he was untouchable wasn't because of his own machinations, but because of luck.

GS3 - Dahlia is the hightlight of the villians in the series, easily. And the main reason for that is because of how she destroyed so many lives. She was effective like no other villian in the series except perhaps Manfred, and even he only focused on a single person.

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Dahlia,this is not even a contest.
While there are more evil characters in the series (Red White,Manfred,Gant,Engarde) they are not even close.

Hell,she is for certain the best female villain ever,and maybe the best villain in VGs history.

Oh,and I don't even count Morgan for some reason.

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Wow... Dahlia must be really evil if she can outdo Engarde and Gant. I have no idea how sinister she really is. That's one of the reasons I'm eager to play the game.

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von Karma: I think we can agree this guy was basically certifiable. He cared about his record and that alone was what drove him to kill Gregory Edgeworth and force Miles to become a prosecutor. But aside from that incident, he doesn't seem to be truly evil per se; just obsessed.

Gant: This guy outdoes VK by just a bit, I think. Y'see, Gant is perfectly sane and smart at that. He was not driven by revenge - instead, he was driven by a want of power. For that he murdered twice in cold blood and lied to Lana, making her believe her sister was a killer. Outdoes VK.

Morgan: She doesn't really get her significance until GS3. She's definitely high up there - to review, she showed little feelings toward her twin daughters, became obsessed with becoming the 'main family' to the point that she had Pearl just for that reason, and conspired to frame/kill Maya on multiple occasions. As a result, she was also responsible for the deaths of Turner Grey and Elise Deauxnim, as well as the arrest of Godot (after 3-5, I can't really hold him accountable for his actions as much as I can Ini.)

Matt: Yeah, he's bad. He drove Celeste to suicide and had Juan killed. To seal the deal, he kidnapped Maya. But to be blunt, he really wasn't on the same level as Dahlia or Morgan- kidnapping Maya might have even been de Killer's idea.

Dahlia: Way up there with her mom. Dahlia pretty much did nothing but look out for number one - she did the fake kidnapping for money, and killed time and time again to keep that from getting out. She was bitter, too - even after Mia died, she still wanted revenge by killing Maya.

So, I'd say...

Morgan > Dahlia > Gant > Matt = VK

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Last edited by Bolt Storm on Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I'm right there with you!

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It will have to be Dahlia. Matt or even Manfred von Karma comes nothing close to her.

Meh, I'll do an evaluation of the villains later. Plus, I have to consider the AA technically has two main villains.

However, evil in terms of taunting grins:



Phew! That's a lot of tags.

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Dahillia (sp?) No question about it.

However I think the scariest character is What's worse is my friend can do a scarily acurate imitation of her.

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Ku ku ku ku...


DAHLIA! Even Manfred and Gant don't compare.

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GOOD SIR! I resent that!

Well, I think Dahlia wins this match. She is a cold hearted bitch.

It's hee..hee...hee now.

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I know.

I just prefer the Japanese one. >.<

ku ku ku...

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DAHLIA. Arg, I want to strange this girl and kill her!

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Dahlia, of course. It's no contest.

*cough*
Anyways,
Dahlia Hawthorne

ftw.

I'm replaying over and over and over
and over
and
over

the part leading up to possibly one of the most epic points in the series. |3

it is indeed
<3

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I didn't mean to suggest all mothers are like that! Mine's just great, for instance... She didn't try to set up my best friend for murder, for example!

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and are almost equal.

I'd have to say that is a bit higher, simply because that, it takes a real sicko to want to off your own children.

Its really sad how she disowned Iris and Dahlia, AND willingly plotted to have them both killed. (interpreted from GS3-5)

actually had somewhat of a humane relationship with . Dahilia actually trusted Iris enough to conspire her plots with her.

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It's a shame Morgan doesn't get more presense, because she's seriously more depraved than anyone else. Seriously, who happily helps someone murder a man just to hide an identity, frames a relative for it, and then later on

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and They both use someone(s) for their own selfish desires.
Also , since he caused a woman to die, used the innocent (^), and pretty much is like a male Dahlia(except not as evil as her)

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Okay, I love Dahlia's character, but come on now. Shes is evil. Not just selfish, but EVIL.

Now if thats not manipulative to depravity, I dont know what is.

And yes, that case is the best in the series. But also the saddest. IMO.

I must say, that s far it seems like or . I'm only on 3-3 so I wouldn't know about 3-4 and 3-5's villains, but I do know that Dahlia is a main evil character, and what seems to be a mass murderer. Gant, well, he's evil... but f****** sweet!

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OK! Eval time, whoop!

Manfred von Karma: Completely and utterly obsessed with perfection and crushes anyone in his path without mercy or regret in a cold, machine-like fashion. Scarred by a mere defense attorney and driven by his desire to get revenge on the man who stained his perfect record by incriminating his disciple for murder. He betrayed Edgeworth after Edgeworth trusted his tutor until the end, essentially got Yanni Yogi convicted for murder, and ruthlessly defeated every defense attorney he faced in his 40-year career as a prosecutor. Who's to say that he didn't create all those murders which he prosecuted for by himself?

Damon Gant: Scheming, manipulating, and intimidating all at the same time. The way he created a crime scene and incriminated an innocent person while simultaneously blackmailing another launched him to the peak of his career as chief of police giving him unchecked authority over the prosecutor's office. With this he could very easily and unoticeably manipulate others and gain more power at his whim. He's benevolent and generous on the outside but on the inside lies a twisted, scheming man who cares only about himself and his selfish desires.

Morgan: She's such a sick, twisted, sinister woman with reckless - almost fanatical - devotions to unseating the main family. Manipulating her daughters, most notably Pearl, with no regard for their feelings or safety - not even caring if they died - is such a horrible thing to do. In fact, if Phoenix and everyone hadn't been there to derail her plans, she would have gotten away with it. That alone speaks volumes about how wicked of a person she is. Too bad her plans got owned by her sister, her daughter, and some guy in a mask.

Engarde: Possibly the most untouchable of all the Phoenix Wright villains. Sociopathic and manipulative he doesn't give a damn about others and only puts on the face everyone sees to gain their favor. Not only did he cause an innocent woman to die but he manipulated Phoenix into a position where he would lose either the person closest to him or his credibility as a defender of the truth and an enforcer of justice. There's nothing more dangerous than a person with two faces who manipulates others for his or her own personal gain.

Dahlia: This woman is perhaps the most effective of the Phoenix Wright villains. Not only did she manage to kill four people but she was even plotting her revenge beyond the grave. She manipulated countless people including her twin sister, a death row convict, a certain defense attorney, her sister Pearl, her mother, and would have gotten her revenge on Mia if a few certain people didn't know about her plan. She has the potential to be a sociopath but the fact that she held a grudge against a dead woman doesn't exactly qualify. She's still as icy and untouchable as all the villains but to a different extreme.

Overall, I'd say...

Morgan > Dahlia > Engarde > Gant > Manfred

Morgan is a woman whom we know for more than one game and is a very clever and sly person. We know that she will do anything to fulfill her insane objectives, even killing her own daughters. Her plans are so carefully laid that anyone who was oblivious to world of spirit mediums wouldn't suspect her of a thing. Dahlia, even from beyond the grave, was willing to through any length to get revenge against one person. Always looking out for herself, faking her death, getting an innocent man convicted and then effectively killing him off through means of manipulation, and on the same level of cunning as Morgan. If it weren't for Phoenix and the gang she might have gotten away with her plans. What made Engarde so terrifying was that he was in a position where he didn't hold any power over people but managed to swat a couple of flies and cause some mayhem while holding the populace under his thumb. Gant was power-driven like crazy but that's it. He didn't really do much in his position as chief of police and we don't really get to know much about him for the duration of the case. He had a cool breakdown animation, though. Manfred wasn't really "evil" per se but more intimidating than anything else. Wherever he went he always had an aura of "I'm the boss. Now shut it and give me fifty!" about him.

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