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Anyone else agree? I think I've just 'grown out' of them.
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...And ended with FF7.
I personally blame the problem on the anime/manga culture, which has a habit of turning out cheap or rehashed ideas without changing the medium much.
Western RPGs have the opposite problem, I find - you take a look at the major RPG names on the market and they're more often than not big-name productions with big money behind them and big ambition. As much as Western RPG makers want to revolutionize the industry, it's too focused on high production values to make any real penetration into the zeitgeist (as JRPGs have done).
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Now I just beat them once and never bother getting the secrets or play them again.
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Do you mean, perhaps, JAPANESE POPULAR CULTURE? I mean I don't see why one exists outside of the other; it's certainly not foreign to them, and the maturation of all facets of 'pop' have gone hand in hand. And manga and anime have existed long before RPGs ever showed up on the scene; yet after Osamu Tezuka and Go Nagai really 'established' the manga genre, for instance, everything else has been just another redux of a storytelling archetype that came before it.
Anyway, there's really something inane about deriding JRPGs for being 'the same thing' or saying 'you're growing out of them'--what exactly are you expecting from them? There are only so many derivations of a story that you can tell, and no matter how original you try to be, your game, comic, novel, movie, tv show is going to somehow draw on that archetype. And on the off chance you somehow create some 'new' archetype, all that does is establish a new and robust line of the same that follows the original.
JRPGs succeed, and are popular, on the basis that people play them for the core 'values' that make up the game--mostly linear story, grinding, quests, and an ending. WRPGs are really no less different, but focus on instilling 'freedom' in the narrative with sometimes fantastic (Fallout) and sometimes horrendous (Oblivion) success. To say WRPGs are 'better' is pretty much impossible, since you're comparing two very different styles of play--hell, for the most part they are different genres inside of the 'Role Playing' sphere--on the one side you take the reigns of 'observer' (or in games like Shin Megami Tensei, DQ, etc. the 'hero and observer') to a story; you're basically guiding yourself through a preset narrative, like reading a book--a book whose narrative is only as interesting to you as the characters, setting, and plot are. WRPGs attempt to have you play a 'first person hero' in the sense that you don't usually know the overriding story or have omnipresent knowledge, and are instead 'writing your own ending' on top of a pre-existing 'story map,' which is why many WRPGs fall completely apart near the end, and some succeed surprisingly well.
Saying that something doesn't 'change the medium' is really pretty pointless--first off you don't change something that isn't broken, and 'changing the medium' is practically impossible; and besides, once you change it, everyone will just copy you. FF7 is pretty much the most modern example; it's success launched the '3D JRPG' trend that's still going strong now.
You're going to need better technology before you can really expect to see something 'new' in terms of JRPGs, which will then just become old hat, which is just like every other media system.
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You just have to look harder for the gems. Hell, I've really been losing interest in gaming all together, and started to play visual novels.
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plus, lots of them are LONG. I have a short attention span that's getting shorter and if I can't finish a game within a week I never finish it period. D=
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I didn't mind it too much in Xenogears, Chrono Trigger or Vagrant Story though. At least they tried making the gameplay fun and engaging.
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The last new RPG I beat was "Dragon Quest:Rocket Slime" which I enjoyed quite a bit, and I'm still working on "FF3DS" which is also a great game, I'm going to pick up Luminous Arc, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata cause they all look like alot of fun.
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Legend of Dragoon was also something like that as well. Good game.
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That's the RPG I need to play, heard it was awesome.
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That's the RPG I need to play, heard it was awesome.
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It's alot of fun, it kinda begins to drag towards the end though
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*laughs* That's where I am at. 4th Disc! Whoo!
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(I know, it's based on MMOs, but I don't play those, so it felt new to me!)
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IMO if you dont enjoy these, than JRPGs just arent for you. Different people, different, such is life :)
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I generally prefer WRPGs myself, though my favorite RPG of all time is from Japan - Tales of the Abyss. But the Tales series has always been the off-beat classic of the JRPG family.
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But... I don't like games that mix JRPG and WRPG elements. FFXII kinda tried it, it's also common for those Korean MMOs to do.
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IMO if you dont enjoy these, than JRPGs just arent for you. Different people, different, such is life :)
I loved 1, the battle system is so complex and the magic and skills are cool too.
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Wow, I never knew that, thanks for the info, I take back my statement.
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Shadow Hearts is just well done, except 2 and 3 which were dire.
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Also, the Ring Soul.
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I like the Tales games because they're easy to pick up and play, and don't get boring easily. 'Least for me.
But the greatest JRPG series out there is Shadow Hearts, without a doubt. Excellent plot, great characters, awesome monster designs, it's set in a parallel version of Earth in the early 20th century, the battle system is really novel and fun, there are shitloads of sidequests, the production values are good, it has a great sense of humor, the music is awesome, and now, there probably will not be any more games made, since Nautilus, the developer, has been dissolved by its owner, Aruze, because fucktards like you, yes, YOU (aside from Kenjimurasame and Zuddha), didn't buy it, preferring to go out and buy Final Fantasy XII(which is fucking TERRIBLE, by the way) and other such crappy JRPGs that are a poor example of the genre.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Sure I like Morrowind, but eh... Most of the Western RPG's have been pretty boring for me besides that. ._.;
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I like the Tales games because they're easy to pick up and play, and don't get boring easily. 'Least for me.
But the greatest JRPG series out there is Shadow Hearts, without a doubt. Excellent plot, great characters, awesome monster designs, it's set in a parallel version of Earth in the early 20th century, the battle system is really novel and fun, there are shitloads of sidequests, the production values are good, it has a great sense of humor, the music is awesome, and now, there probably will not be any more games made, since Nautilus, the developer, has been dissolved by its owner, Aruze, because fucktards like you, yes, YOU (aside from Kenjimurasame and Zuddha), didn't buy it, preferring to go out and buy Final Fantasy XII(which is fucking TERRIBLE, by the way) and other such crappy JRPGs that are a poor example of the genre.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I bought all of the Shadow Hearts games. >:/
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