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we all know,that
is dead (fromn franziska)but what about redd white?
mr sahwitt?
dee vasquez?(i dont think shes dead though)
and damon?
hobodude?
Pw2
dude?is he dead?pw3
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personally,
and 
should die 
in the hell--
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That was... objectionable.
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But what struck me as odd is how the game takes place in California... didn't they abolish the death penalty there?
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But what struck me as odd is how the game takes place in California... didn't they abolish the death penalty there?
Some of the murders you've described are second degree, or non-premediated, which don't always have such a bad penalty. As for your question, I'd say they didn't take that into regard when they localised it.
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That was... objectionable.
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But what struck me as odd is how the game takes place in California... didn't they abolish the death penalty there?
Some of the murders you've described are second degree, or non-premediated, which don't always have such a bad penalty. As for your question, I'd say they didn't take that into regard when they localised it.
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yeah, I know some of the murders are second degree... but the game never says which are which, and I'm not good enough with the law to tell 'em apart.
EDIT: Oh, I guess non-premediated would be second degree, right? But I'm too lazy to go back and look at the cases to see which are premediated or not.
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It's fairly obvious which ones are which. Examples: Sawhit, Wellington, Acro (to a certain extent, it's fairly obvious he didn't get the DP as Edgeworth told Gumshoe to go easy on him.)
Dee's crime wasn't premediated either, although that falls under manslaughter instead.
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The latter would probably get Acro off the hook.
The opportunist crims could go either way I guess - would depend on the judge!
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Of course, they can't localize everything :)
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I don't think you get punished for self defense?
But she moved the body and restrained the police from solving the case.
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though,
I'm english, and we abolished that punishment decades ago.
so I can't give much insight into it.
*Currently playing Spirit of Justice*
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Wait...what? That's not said at all in the game.
If he did get the penalty, he'd rather live the last days he had left in relative peace, as opposed to sitting it terror, wondering when he was gonna be bumped off.
I'm not too sure what you mean here. Do you mean, he had to kill to save himself from the mob, or that he went to prison to save himself?
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Like Darzie said, this is never established...and the general rule is if it isn't said ONSCREEN, it never happened.
Moreover, his likely 'death' was likely 'something else'.
Also:
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I'm not too sure on that one. It really is second degree, because he didn't intend on killing her until right then. :/ What that might mean for him, I'm not certain.
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If in doubt, we could always say his health took a downward spiral - or he refused to go to one of his appointments so that he could finally get the eternal rest he pobably so sorely wanted after the 'atonement' to Mia that he fudged up so badly. There's much to be read into it and speculated on - his is an interesting, and tragic, tale after all.
I'm sure somebody could write a fic of Godot's 'last days' - stranger things have happened.
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(Since the topic has "spoilers" I'm not tagging mine, ha!)
What we KNOW FOR CERTAIN about crime and punishment in the PW world:
-Karma was given the death penalty. He's dead by GS3 for sure. If Yanni testified against him, that would make for at least one murder charge and one instance of accessory to murder (plus tazing people)
-Morgan was given a jail sentence. They don't say how long, but I don't believe there's ever a mention of her being slated for execution, either.
-Edgeworth asked Gumshoe to "go easy on" Acro. Never clarified what that means.
-Adrian doctored a crime scene and framed a man for murder (though it turned out he was a murderer anyway). She was released from prison within a few months' time.
-Atmey specifically confessed to theft so that he could avoid the death penalty, which he would have gotten for killing Kane Bullard. This is one of the stronger pieces of evidence suggesting that a single, premeditated murder is enough to get you executed in the PW world.
-Dahlia was given the death penalty. Despite the many things she was guilty of, they would have only been able to prove that she killed Doug and tried to kill Phoenix. It took them ~5 years to carry out her sentence.
-Terry was given the death penalty, for kidnapping and murder. He was also alive in jail for at least 5 years before they could get around to executing him.
If you've heard anything else concerning how PW people have been punished, it's probably not canon. Godot's fate especially is never cleared up.
Though I personally believe that Godot passed away not long after 3-5. I think it would be just like him to stop visiting his doctors and simply "let" himself die. He'd done everything he came back to do, after all.
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Just an FYI in case you don't know (which I'm guessing you probably already do know) the US game (to my surprise) takes place in America, hence the 5th Amendment on the Bill of Rights of due process of law (which protects against double jeopardy) stands true. Unless it got slashed out in a matter of 9 years from now..
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As for Viola, I believe I recall the police considering the Cadaverini "untouchable."
(I haven't played PW3, only read.)
Because Morrigan isn't dead doesn't mean she didn't get the death sentence. (lol triple negative combo) As pointed out before, It takes the system a few years to get around to carrying the sentence out.
The "moment of madness" defense, better known as Irresistable Impluse :P, has been abolished in California I believe.
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Just an FYI in case you don't know (which I'm guessing you probably already do know) the US game (to my surprise) takes place in America, hence the 5th Amendment on the Bill of Rights of due process of law (which protects against double jeopardy) stands true. Unless it got slashed out in a matter of 9 years from now..
It is a bit silly that he seems to think he's off the hook for his entire crime spree, when in reality, double jeopardy would only really prevent him from being tried again for stealing the specific urn he was found not guilty of stealing. They could probably arrest him for any of the previous thefts, and they could definitely arrest him for any future theft.
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EDIT: About Manfried being dead: I think that it's pretty probable that he might've commited suicide. After all, he was such a perfectionist that he shot someone who earned him a penalty.
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died. And I'm so totally like, not sure about the rest. Oh and that 
died. That's all.. I think.
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Also, what is and is not legal in CA now doesn't really have any bearing on law on the PW world. They play by entirely different rules--there isn't even a jury. So to really know anything about law and punishment we can only depend on clues in the game's canon itself.
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(I haven't played PW3, only read.)
I hate the Sopranos (a horrible interpretation of my Italian heritage), but I believe that's where I learned that family members of Mob Bosses aren't allowed to be assassinated.
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Also, what is and is not legal in CA now doesn't really have any bearing on law on the PW world. They play by entirely different rules--there isn't even a jury. So to really know anything about law and punishment we can only depend on clues in the game's canon itself.
Well so far I've only played the first case of the third game, so I haven't seen anything about the death penalty since that one time in PW 1-5. Thanks for the clarification tho.
Speaking of how out there the game is when it comes to law, my law teacher once played it, and said it was the worst representation of law in a simulation that he's ever seen... I forgot to tell him it was just a game... he didn't want to hear it after playing it though.
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Anyway, it would be nice if the series creators would give us some kind of idea of what happened to the guilty parties, you know, to settle this debate once and for all.
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