Question: Edgeworth and Claustrophobia POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!
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I figured I'd ask because I had no idea Phoenix was bothered about thunderstorms but found out later that apparently it's mentioned in one of the mangas (that I have yet to find anywhere online).
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From what I know, he's only bothered by elevators. In fact, I think it's more a fear of earthquakes that's more severe.
For that matter, why is he scared of heights? That seems to be a common theory.
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I didn't know about the thunderstorm thing either and therefore made an error in my first ever fic :)
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As for whether there are any other instances of Edgey's claustrophobia... I couldn't tell you. Sorry.
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I imagine that Edgeworth would dislike metros mainly for the shakiness and the long periods of time spent waiting in the tunnels for other trains to pass. That's quite common on the Underground - the lights go on and off quite frequently too which can be a bit disconcerting!
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The earthquake phobia is obvious. Just the quake itself can scare people witless. But compounded by the situation with the elevator and subsequent traumas, in his head the quake is probably associated with far more than the standard primal fear most people have about such things.
Spoiler: 1-4 spoiler
It logically follows that psychologically, that event would probably also result in a phobia of elevators (perhaps general claustrophobia, but I personally think the association in his mind would be with elevators specifically.) It could also potentially trigger a phobia of the dark. It depends on what factors of the original situation became linked in his subconscious to the trauma of those events. It's clearly demonstrated in 1-4 that he links earthquakes to it. There's nothing in the canon (mind you, I've not spoiled myself much about T&T, so I know I'm missing something.) to suggest the other phobias being present or absent; so probably any fanfic writer with a basic understanding of the psychology behind phobias could use other possibilities in a story.
Case 2-4 makes mention of something that leads me to think Edgeworth's implied fear of heights is a normal childhood phobia that probably has its roots in events before the elevator and everything. Perhaps something as trivial as slipping and falling down a flight of stairs, or out of a tree when he was very young. Plus case 2-4 implies that he's got some issue with large fireplaces as well.
Spoiler: 2-4 spoiler
Of course, that stuff in case 2-4 could be ample fodder for all sorts of speculation, I'm sure. And I think I'm rambling, but I'm sleep deprived and stuck at work, so... yeah.
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That comment does make me wonder how much extended family he's got, and how much contact he has with any of them.
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Well, there's a simple solution. Lock him in a closet and see what happens.
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Ah, but closets tend to have better air flow than elevators with no power =p Another aspect of the phobia probably would have to do with suffocation and the sensation of not being able to breathe.
.... Y'know, he probably doesn't like to go swimming for that reason, I bet. Underwater there's no air, and that feeling would probably come uncomfortably close to his subconscious recollection of that elevator.
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All sorts of interesting stuff coming out in this thread!
On another random note...
Spoiler: 3-5 for Edgeworth's schooldays
It just amused me. I'm so gonna have to turn that one into a fic one day XD
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Ye gads, could we have caught Edgey in a contradiction? XD
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There isn't any mention that I know of which says Edgeworth is generally claustrophobic. They don't talk about him having any trouble traveling by train, plane, or car. His appearances in the games after PW:AA don't put him any any compromising positions outside of the context of an earthquake, either. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was at least uncomfortable in closed spaces, even if he didn't flip out like he does for earthquakes.
Though I wonder if Takumi himself is afraid of heights, because there are references to Phoenix, Edgeworth, and even Odoroki having that fear. Or maybe it's just added for comedy's sake...?
Thanks to the manga and Takumi's interviews (where it seems like he just says whatever comes to mind) there's a lot of "almost canon" information floating around.
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Spoiler: "3-5, re: the crane"
In school we decorated the classroom with origami. Edgey couldn't fold a dollar, much less a crane!
I never forgot the shame of that day! You want a crane? I can now fold a perfect quarter-inch crane without a single flaw!
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RazeTora wrote:
Well, there's a simple solution. Lock him in a closet and see what happens.
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...So he'll be coming out of the closet? :O
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RazeTora wrote:
Well, there's a simple solution. Lock him in a closet and see what happens.
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...So he'll be coming out of the closet? :O
But, of course! :D
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If his convertible has a cloth top, it may help--they don't go all the way over (in my experience)
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Phoenix is scared of thunderstorms according to the manga, but I don't think that can be considered canon. That's the same writer who has Phoenix drooling over the super moe moe girl.
Who he compares to his college sweetheart. I nearly spit my drink out when I read that--and I firmly believe Phoenix's tastes run more "cute" than "hot".
RE: Edgeworth and elevators. I'm of the belief that he goes out of his way to avoid them specifically, but I'm not sure he has an issue with claustrophobia in general. After all, his fear of earthquakes is pretty specific. I could see him as someone with an issue with enclosed spaces, though, so it's not a huge issue one way or the other. And, yeah, I agree that his fear of heights--which is more pronounced that Apollo and Phoenix's--goes back to childhood, since Phoenix knew about it in the office, and he didn't Miles's fear of earthquakes.
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For example, I myself can't stand rooms with no windows, they make me feel like I can't breathe or something. I just feel very uncomfortable and can't stay in them for more than a few minutes. And apparently, that's considered claustrophobia, but I'm not scared of metros or elevators, which are even more enclosed.
Also, I have this HUGE fear of heights, but it seems to be selective for some reason. Like I'll get on a roller coaster (I'll cope with it as long as I don't look down) but I can't get on the ferris wheel without panicking, or even climb a 6-foot ladder.
So in Edgeworth's case, I think his fear would be more of elevators specifically, especially since it's been caused by a particular incident. I don't think it's really claustrophobia in his case, more like a posttraumatic fear. But I think that, unlike earthquakes, Edgeworth would be able to cope with elevators to a certain extent, especially since I don't see him taking a dozen set of stairs everyday to get to his office. But still, I think he'd try to avoid them, if given an alternative.
And about Edgeworth's and Phoenix's fear of heights, I think it's just a natural fear too (I didn't get my phobia from falling or anything). Although I don't really remember Phoenix being scared of heights. And I don't think Dusky Bridge is a good enough argument, cause you'd have to be pretty weird to cross it without being scared at least a little. I mean, just look at it.
Finally, about Phoenix being scared of thunderstorms, I don't think I'd consider it canon. But maybe that's because I want to focus more on the games themselves. But then again,
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... Admittedly, I mainly think this because, uh, office on the 12th floor? XD
Edgeworth's fear of heights is weird, though. The only mention of it is in 1-5, which we know was a retcon and doesn't quite jive with a few other things in the canon, and in 3-4 he
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(It wouldn't surprise me if Phoenix was misremembering/projecting a little bit, though. XD)
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... Admittedly, I mainly think this because, uh, office on the 12th floor? XD
No wonder he looks so manly XD
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RE: Edgeworth and elevators. I'm of the belief that he goes out of his way to avoid them specifically, but I'm not sure he has an issue with claustrophobia in general. After all, his fear of earthquakes is pretty specific. I could see him as someone with an issue with enclosed spaces, though, so it's not a huge issue one way or the other. And, yeah, I agree that his fear of heights--which is more pronounced that Apollo and Phoenix's--goes back to childhood, since Phoenix knew about it in the office, and he didn't Miles's fear of earthquakes.
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I assumed his phobias were primarily confined to earthquakes and secondarily to elevators quite specifically . I could imagine him not being thrilled to be in confined spaces but I figured since he could cope with the detention centre and the evidence room etc. he can't be *that* hampered on that score. I *do* however assume he climbs stairs to avoid elevators, I must admit.
I didn't assume the heights thing was any more than my own general fear of heights (I would also not be very happy to climb the ladders depicted in 1:5, especially near a 12th floor window - I used to have to get my flatmate to climb a stepladder and wash the sash windows when I lived in a 2nd floor place). That said I don't have vertigo per se so it doesn't cause me any great issues in life - mild inconvenience is more like it. It's only ever been a major problem when doing army assault courses and that's sorta extreme!
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I *do* however assume he climbs stairs to avoid elevators, I must admit.
Same here. Even at the office. (In fact, in personal canon, I think people in the office saw it as another snub, that he refused to ride in elevators with them)
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I didn't assume the heights thing was any more than my own general fear of heights (I would also not be very happy to climb the ladders depicted in 1:5, especially near a 12th floor window - I used to have to get my flatmate to climb a stepladder and wash the sash windows when I lived in a 2nd floor place). That said I don't have vertigo per se so it doesn't cause me any great issues in life - mild inconvenience is more like it. It's only ever been a major problem when doing army assault courses and that's sorta extreme!
Well, what I meant by that was in Apollo and Phoenix's case, their dislike of heights is noted, but not especially dramatized. (I can't recall Phoenix's reaction after going across Dusky Bridge, so maybe my memory is whacked) whereas Phoenix makes it sound like Edgeworth would be absolutely paralyzed if he had to get on the ladder and climb it. (I suddenly get a mental image of very small Miles telling his gym teacher if he makes him climb that rope, he'll sue the school)
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Might make Gumshoe piggback him up the stairs or something. And it's true that phobias aare picky.
that is both hilarious and disturbing
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Same here. Even at the office. (In fact, in personal canon, I think people in the office saw it as another snub, that he refused to ride in elevators with them)
I'd even go so far as to say *especially at the office* and other places associated with court. And yes, me too! I had a notion that other people would think he was a stuck up jerk because of it prior to 1:4.
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Well, what I meant by that was in Apollo and Phoenix's case, their dislike of heights is noted, but not especially dramatized. (I can't recall Phoenix's reaction after going across Dusky Bridge, so maybe my memory is whacked) whereas Phoenix makes it sound like Edgeworth would be absolutely paralyzed if he had to get on the ladder and climb it. (I suddenly get a mental image of very small Miles telling his gym teacher if he makes him climb that rope, he'll sue the school)
Phoenix was pretty freaked by Dusky Bridge even in Maya's company, whereas Edgeworth had previously negotiated it on his own to retrieve the scarf (also in poor weather conditions) so not sure about that - maybe it's just ladders. XD at the image of mini-Miles though! Wonder if he threatened to sue for mental anguish over the paper cranes also XD
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I couldn't get onto the third bleacher at my elementary school, yet I walked on a thin piece of wood over a river held up by two ropes while we were hiking sooo... yeah (Not that I didn't want to die while I was on it)
Oh yeah too true. I've walked over two planks between 2nd floor windows of houses, used rope bridges and climbed a metal ladder up the side of a building, but I still don't like painting the ceilings in my house from the top of a stepladder, or changing lightbulbs on the stairs. A lot depends on necessity, who's with you, what your state of mind is at the time etc. if it's just a phobia as opposed to a really serious problem or PTS. I can categorically state that an urbam assault course pairing where one is phobic of heights and the other of undergound confined tunnels is a whacky idea but can work surprisingly well (we did get a round of applause afterwards - LOL)!
I would almost certainly *not* be able to cross Dusky Bridge in anybody's company unless it was an extreme circumstance! I must admit I felt for Phoenix/
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