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Note that this is just another silly theory/idea that this forum is overpopulated with. Pissing into a ocean of piss etc etc.
Do you think Phoenix gets into a relationship with Iris after case 5? I mean, it seems Iris is rather fond of our favorite Defense Attorney, probably mainly because she was actually going out with phoenix 6 years ago instead of
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Of course I always saw Phoenix and Maya's relationship as a platonic one, and I actually thought Phoenix and Iris were very nice together. But given what happens to Phoenix a scant 2 months after case 5, I doubt he gets closer to anyone (and I get the impression he pretty much distances himself from everyone).
Ah well. That's what fanfiction is for though.
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Also, remember that Iris is serving a jail term for being an accessory to murder; it'll be probably be a while before Nick can do anything but visit her in jail.
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I'm a little more for the FeenRis thing. I, personally, think Phoenix and Iris had something special together those six months. Maya just doesn't seem like the type to fall in love with Phoenix, although I don't consider myself against the Phoenix/Maya pairing... they never seemed to "click" from what I've seen... However, I think they would've been more connected if Pearl weren't shoving the "you MUST love Mystic Maya and ONLY Mystic Maya" thing down Phoenix's throat... I understand that Pearl's never seen the outside world, but you'd think that after a while she'd start to realize that Phoenix doesn't have to dedicate himself to Maya just because they're good friends... I'm just ranting now, aren't I?
I just think Phoenix and Iris kinda... fit better together. I think it would've been kinda cool if the developers had used Phoenix's "heart-eyes" sprite when Iris told him what she really thought of him... The two of them just seemed to have something special. That's just my opinion though. If it weren't for that case two months later, Phoenix and Iris may have gotten plenty of time to know each other more. I think I'll stop pouring my thoughts out and go do something else now...
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And hey, surely after 7 years Iris would be out of the hole :D
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I myself, after seeing the ending, truly think that Phoenix and Iris belong together. Past, present, future, etc. To me, they seem made for each other, since they REALLY DID fall in love those six years ago...
Canon-like though... I guess it never happened. That's kind of why I made PW:AA: The Final Cases. D:
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She's in jail, he's ... well, otherwise occupied within 2 months. So that's a resounding no in canon I'd say :)
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Besides, she's a nun. That's just wrong.
Unless it's the Sound of Music and Iris is going to sing to us about her favorite things including spiky haired lawyers and pretending she's her sister. Then, I'm all for it.
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Besides, she's a nun. That's just wrong.
=\ She can easily leave, if she has a real motive to do so. I think being with Phoenix (fanfiction-wise) would be a good enough motive for that.
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Events with Dahlia and Iris in 3-1 left a deep mark on his personality, I think. His disbelief that his "Dollie" from 3-1 was the same girl he'd been madly in love with has been festering for 6 years. 3-5 laid that wound wide open again, and while the truth of the matter has probably cleared any cause for outright hatred and open hostility (unlike how he was to Edgeworth at first in 2-4), the fact remains that Iris did betray him. After living with that doubt and likely anger for years, it's going to be a long time before he can really honestly trust this girl again. Similarly, Iris clearly feels she has a lot to atone for- and that guilty conscience is going to be a load of emotional and psychological baggage that she needs to sort out on her own before she can move on with her life.
All in all, I think that there's simply too much emotional baggage between the two of them. Maybe with years to work it out (and the help of a capable psychologist) they could overcome their respective issues, but at best I think all they could achieve post 3-5 is a sort of bittersweet friendship. It could have worked, and it could have worked very well, but Iris' loyalty to Dahlia ruined it.
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I think, had circumstances been different that it could have happened, but I don't think he and Iris have much of a chance post 3-5. In 3-3, Phoenix mentions that the two things that he cannot abide are poisoning, and betrayal. Given how Phoenix was in Justice for All about Edgeworth's perceived "betrayal", I'm not sure he's in any hurry to jump into a relationship after 3-5.
Events with Dahlia and Iris in 3-1 left a deep mark on his personality, I think. His disbelief that his "Dollie" from 3-1 was the same girl he'd been madly in love with has been festering for 6 years. 3-5 laid that wound wide open again, and while the truth of the matter has probably cleared any cause for outright hatred and open hostility (unlike how he was to Edgeworth at first in 2-4), the fact remains that Iris did betray him. After living with that doubt and likely anger for years, it's going to be a long time before he can really honestly trust this girl again. Similarly, Iris clearly feels she has a lot to atone for- and that guilty conscience is going to be a load of emotional and psychological baggage that she needs to sort out on her own before she can move on with her life.
All in all, I think that there's simply too much emotional baggage between the two of them. Maybe with years to work it out (and the help of a capable psychologist) they could overcome their respective issues, but at best I think all they could achieve post 3-5 is a sort of bittersweet friendship. It could have worked, and it could have worked very well, but Iris' loyalty to Dahlia ruined it.
Events with Dahlia and Iris in 3-1 left a deep mark on his personality, I think. His disbelief that his "Dollie" from 3-1 was the same girl he'd been madly in love with has been festering for 6 years. 3-5 laid that wound wide open again, and while the truth of the matter has probably cleared any cause for outright hatred and open hostility (unlike how he was to Edgeworth at first in 2-4), the fact remains that Iris did betray him. After living with that doubt and likely anger for years, it's going to be a long time before he can really honestly trust this girl again. Similarly, Iris clearly feels she has a lot to atone for- and that guilty conscience is going to be a load of emotional and psychological baggage that she needs to sort out on her own before she can move on with her life.
All in all, I think that there's simply too much emotional baggage between the two of them. Maybe with years to work it out (and the help of a capable psychologist) they could overcome their respective issues, but at best I think all they could achieve post 3-5 is a sort of bittersweet friendship. It could have worked, and it could have worked very well, but Iris' loyalty to Dahlia ruined it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only 'betrayal' that Iris did was not let Phoenix know there were two of them. After all, if I recall, not many people, if any other than the family, knew about Iris and Dahlia being twins, let alone Iris existing.
Edgeworth and Iris are two different people. Edgeworth is Phoenix's best friend, and Iris was the girl Phoenix loved. At the end of 3-5, and at the ending, Iris mentions how Phoenix 'had his eyes on her'. Combine that with what he said to her during their final words in the court case, I do believe he has somewhat forgiven her in his mind for any betrayal that she thought occured.
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That right there is the definiiton of betrayal.
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But IRIS knew. And she never stepped forward and told him, but chose to remain loyal to Dahlia above him, leaving him to suffer for years.
That right there is the definiiton of betrayal.
That right there is the definiiton of betrayal.
Perhaps when she fell in love with him, she was too scared to tell him. Even during 3-5, she was afraid to even say she knew him, even though she knew that he thought he knew her.
Even past all that, the ending proved that he's at least forgiven her. It was a sweet moment.
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I think it would take him a lot longer to get over it, frankly, based on his previous form with Edgeworth (who, if we presume is just a friend, would hopefully have LESS impact on him in terms of betrayal than someone he loved).
What if he understood it though? What if, at the end, he realized it, then thought it over.
She fell in love with him.
She was too scared to tell him.
She even said, had she known about what Dahlia planned, she would have stopped her at any cost. Doing so would have told Phoenix who Iris was, AND show that she was not willing to go that far to betray him.
I believe it was when she told him that that he realized that she was really wanting to, but was waiting to stop Dahlia.
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Don't get me wrong, I think Young Phoenix/Young Iris is a squeee! level coupling. But I just don't think it would work after 3:5 unless they both had a lot of time and commitment to deal with all the baggage.
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But she still didn't come forward once it became clear what Dahlia was up to, did she? She didn't stand up at the trial and have the record set straight. She didn't step up and show Phoenix that he hadn't been mistaken and that he didn't need to spend years thinking he'd been a complete ass and that the woman he loved had tried to murder him.
Don't get me wrong, I think Young Phoenix/Young Iris is a squeee! level coupling. But I just don't think it would work after 3:5 unless they both had a lot of time and commitment to deal with all the baggage.
Don't get me wrong, I think Young Phoenix/Young Iris is a squeee! level coupling. But I just don't think it would work after 3:5 unless they both had a lot of time and commitment to deal with all the baggage.
I still think it was becaue of Iris herself. She's scared of betraying her own sister, and coming out with her own feelings. What do you have to say about the ending, where Iris talked about how Phoenix had his eyes on her and she was blushing?
I understand that might mean nothing, but that's what gave me the idea that there's just a chance, just... a smidgeon of one, that perhaps he had somehow forgiven her. That he realized how frail and scared she was. He even BELIEVED it wasn't Dahlia, and continued believing that until Iris told him. I think that's what did it.
I'm rambling though. That's just my take on it. I beleive in Present Phoenix+Present Iris. Past, Present, Future.
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And I believe that is not a good basis for a relationship with someone who has himself been demonstrated to hold loyalty and sacrifice in extremely high regard and put a friend before his own career, life and desires for fifteen years regardless of personal cost.
I imagine he did have his eyes on her - he'd still be pretty bloody stunned I would imagine. And if I were her I'd be blushing too.
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I accept that she was scared of betraying her sister but that meant that she chose Dahlia over Phoenix.
And I believe that is not a good basis for a relationship with someone who has himself been demonstrated to hold loyalty and sacrifice in extremely high regard and put a friend before his own career, life and desires for fifteen years regardless of personal cost.
I imagine he did have his eyes on her - he'd still be pretty bloody stunned I would imagine. And if I were her I'd be blushing too.
And I believe that is not a good basis for a relationship with someone who has himself been demonstrated to hold loyalty and sacrifice in extremely high regard and put a friend before his own career, life and desires for fifteen years regardless of personal cost.
I imagine he did have his eyes on her - he'd still be pretty bloody stunned I would imagine. And if I were her I'd be blushing too.
One more thing.
I have heard that you should put NO ONE before family. And, Dahlia was misunderstood and her sister loved her and wanted her not to cause any more crimes. If she told Phoenix who she was, what do you think would have ensued?
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However, Phoenix might have been spared years of shame and heartbreak.
Sure, you can put family first, but you do it knowing that it may be at a cost - and I don't see what she gained at that point by not being honest.
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One more thing.
I have heard that you should put NO ONE before family. And, Dahlia was misunderstood and her sister loved her and wanted her not to cause any more crimes. If she told Phoenix who she was, what do you think would have ensued?
I have heard that you should put NO ONE before family. And, Dahlia was misunderstood and her sister loved her and wanted her not to cause any more crimes. If she told Phoenix who she was, what do you think would have ensued?
That is to me a matter of taste... and something I disagree with. It's a noble ideal, that sense of family loyalty... but loyalty must be earned. And there are times where one's own family is so screwed up that you need to leave them to reap what they have sewn and look out for #1. I've seen it happen with my cousin- it was either leave her mother out in the cold, or go down with the ship.
Iris had plenty of time following Dahlia's sentencing in which she was safe from any possible retribution to come clean about events in college. She could have come clean to Phoenix after Godot contacted her and Misty about Morgan's plan. Instead she held to the same sort of pattern she seems to have for years- follower. Taking orders and letting someone else dictate what she should do.
And like KingMobUK has already pointed out- such prolonged lies are not a good foundation for a relationship with a man who has repeatedly demonstrated intense values of loyalty, sacrifice... and truth.
Buuuut... it also makes for ample fodder for fanfiction. They could possibly reestablish a relationship- but the process would be long and not easy. It would probably be terribly awkward at first, Phoenix has grown a lot from the idiotic love-struck college student Iris originally fell for; and Iris has her own guilt issues and no doubt has changed from the "Dollie" that Phoenix was so head over heels for. I don't doubt that even with everything laid bare now, that there is still an awful lot of hurt and conflicting feelings that need to be resolved if it's to go anywhere.
My pairing of preference may be Phoenix/Maya, but I'm open to any well-written pairing. And there is an awful lot of potential here for some very well written stuff. I do hope people capitalize on it :)
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But, I do still figure people have their opinions. What you say makes sense, it would be very awkward first... but I sort of took from the ending scene, what she said to him, and that Phoenix had three months to back and forth visit Iris and talk to her.
Maybe I'm just off my rocker about the whole deal... but I still hold my belief. I'm not saying that none of you have good points - they're a lot better than mine. I just wish to stick by my opinion for now.
However, I would love to see someone write a fic about the relationship in the way you just said, Firefury.
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Yes, I wouldn't disagree that there's fanfic fodder to be had provided it's approached with some awareness of both their likely feelings in the wake of all that's happened. Falling into each others arms directly after the trial = not likely.
Heh... there was a fic like that called "One Last Kiss", but of course, it ended with them moving on after she was released from prison.
My fic doesn't exactly make her fall into his arms after the trial, but it assumes that he visited her a lot during her jail time (when he could) and straightened things out.
... Maybe I did jump the gun on it, but it's too late for me now. ^.^;;;; And people love it either way.
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I have heard that you should put NO ONE before family.
Well, I've heard elsewhere that merit is the ultimate virtue. The ultimate test of a person is to see how he is true to his word and to justice.
Justice Bao (Wiki him. He should have a tribute in PW considering his cultural significance) signed his own nephew's death warrant when it became apparent his nephew had accepted bribes as an official. That right there is how I view true nobility and dignity.
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Phoenix's response was simply: "...!"
He didn't deny it. I'm sure he still has feelings for Iris, but he said himself that he's worked side-by-side with Maya for three years now. He'd only been with Iris/Dahlia for 6 months.
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If you would enlighten me, which case in GS4 are you talking about when you say "that case"?
I'd like to help. Can you tell me the context of the "that case" quote on the thread, so I have an idea what where talking about and I'll do my best to answer the question.
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He didn't deny it. I'm sure he still has feelings for Iris, but he said himself that he's worked side-by-side with Maya for three years now. He'd only been with Iris/Dahlia for 6 months.
To start off, I'd like to say that while this pairing is not my favorite, I do like it. There is no doubt that Nick and Maya love each other. The question that needs answering is whether the love is romantic love. At times, I agree I see romance, but the problem is that most of them they treat each other more as siblings then potential lovers (including the possibility that they are hiding their feelings). An example is at the beginning of five when they first meet Iris, Maya teases Phoenix relentlessly about Iris (if you examine things in the Training room it happens more). She says things like "Looks like you've been bitten by the love bug" and "Iris and Nick sitting in a tree..." (that old childhood rhyme). These are paraphrased lines, not quotes, but I'm certain the content is correct. If I liked a guy, I would not be teasing him like that. Trust me. This is closer to a younger sister's response than a potential lover's. Now I suppose its possible that Maya is hiding her feelings, but knowing Maya as we do, it seems unlikely that there wouldn't even be a slight hint of sadness. As far as we know she isn't very good at hiding her feelings, and at the very end we see her feining happiness (but its obvious she's still upset), so it can certainly be done in the game. There are a bunch more examples (more in the first and third game then the second in my opinion. I actually briefly thought that they might be moving the game more towards Phoenix/Maya in game two, but then they pull away from it rather firmly. Phoenix is dismissive of Maya most of the time (not in a mean way, but like I often am when I think my brothers are being silly). I'm just not sure his behavior towards her is enough to qualify as romantic (I am in no way trying to talk you out of the pairing. Please ship away. I'm just explaining my reasoning). On top of all this is Maya's immaturity. I just have trouble picturing her in a relationship.
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After all the time that has passed since their relationship, and how much he has learned and grown, would Phoenix have attempted to cross a burning bridge to get to Iris?
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Re: Phoenix gets into a relationship with Iris after case 5?
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Xero Wright wrote:
Allucinari wrote:
Besides, she's a nun. That's just wrong.
=\ She can easily leave, if she has a real motive to do so. I think being with Phoenix (fanfiction-wise) would be a good enough motive for that.
or if you flip it upside down where phoenix moves to Hazakura to be with Iris (hey it COULD happen since he went there JUST to see Iris) Oh and if theres any chance of Phoenix/Iris Pearls better be out of the picture somewhere.
Re: Phoenix gets into a relationship with Iris after case 5?
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DetectiveTomDamron wrote:
Xero Wright wrote:
Allucinari wrote:
Besides, she's a nun. That's just wrong.
=\ She can easily leave, if she has a real motive to do so. I think being with Phoenix (fanfiction-wise) would be a good enough motive for that.
or if you flip it upside down where phoenix moves to Hazakura to be with Iris (hey it COULD happen since he went there JUST to see Iris) Oh and if theres any chance of Phoenix/Iris Pearls better be out of the picture somewhere.
Yeah, but it's made pretty clear that he only went because she reminded him of Dahlia, and I'm pretty sure that's who he thought she was. IMO that doesn't really imply a relationship.
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