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Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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JoeP wrote:
...No, play through the cases and you'll see...
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It's just a possibility. But after what you said, it actually gives more hints to the possibility now that I think of it. They decided to make him look to be of possible Spanish and/or Mexican descent. In my opinion, he looks to be more Indian with a little black. Also, I just find it to stick out a little that Godot in particular uses Spanish at all. The only character that did that in the past was Jake Marshall, and that was only because he had a stereotypical western gunslinger personality. Godot, on the other hand, only has the excuses that also push towards the possibility that I mentioned.
There's no way that any of this can be proven either way unless the translators themselves were asked about it. Again, just an idea.
Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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luckyhitmaster wrote:
Yesterday I got past the first trial and noticed Godot using the word "amigo" a lot. I was thinking, do you think this might have been a small reference to my old Javado name idea? If it really is, I'm honored.
Biggest coincidence in the history of mankind if it is.
Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Wait, YOU came up with Javado?
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Yeah.
It just randomly came up one time when we were discussing our opinions about whether Capcom should keep Godot's name as the original or change it in the American version. I had no idea it would have become such a huge inside joke.
Haha. Well, obviously you didn't like the idea. I think it would have been funny though.Anyway, all the Spanish-speaking parts in this game that we're bringing up really either have to be a huge coincidence or it is true. Anyone who's played and understood Gyakuten Saiban 3, did he have any somewhat equivalent speech patterns? I mean, did he use any other language once in a while at all?
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Anyway, all the Spanish-speaking parts in this game that we're bringing up really either have to be a huge coincidence or it is true.
...When I looked at Diego's profile BEFORE reading about this ridiculous proposed name, I figured he would be somewhat latino or spanish in some instances. He looks right for that part.
Generally, most game companies don't go by forum-made off-hand Fan suggestions deliberately all that much - so unless Capcom go flat out and admit they used it in a moment of honesty, I'm inclined to go with the 'Intended Origination for the Character' approach.
In short: Diego just LOOKS spanish anyway - so it fits him to occasionally speak as such...
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Vaguely related: Is it a coincidence that "Chi-chan" became "Dollie" in both the fan-translation and the real localization?
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LuigiHann wrote:
Vaguely related: Is it a coincidence that "Chi-chan" became "Dollie" in both the fan-translation and the real localization?
That was I was about to say. XD
There's a small chance it's a nod to the fan translators, but meh.
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Well, that's my new argument. I believe they do look through fan forums, most likely Court Records a lot more than others. I think that unlike most companies, Capcom listens to their fans very closely and at least takes small ideas from them. What do you think?
Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Well, that's my new argument. I believe they do look through fan forums, most likely Court Records a lot more than others. I think that unlike most companies, Capcom listens to their fans very closely and at least takes small ideas from them. What do you think?
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Maybe I don't know the whole story.It has been said before that Armstrong is not a French name, so it may also be that he simply likes to look french... he has a french restaurant, after all. Capcom likes to play with stereotypes, that's not the first time they do it.
PD. There are some pretty big spoilers over there, maybe the subject needs an update?
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As for Capcom likes playing with stereotypes in their games, Aijiru is correct. Other than Oil Man in megaman Powered up, Capcom have used stereotypes in their other games. Themost obvious is Street Fighter 2. I believe Capcom admitted using stereotypes in this so that the players can identify what nationality the characters are. I recall Guile was stereotyped so as to attract american gamers.
Using stereotypes to attract westerners still seems to be used, even today. The most recent use of stereotypes is in Elite Beat Agents. Fun game, but I found it quite shocking that the game has a lot of stereotypes from both american and japanese perceptives about ppl in the us. I mean, most of the characters are wealthy; a few of the characters are cowboy/texans; the japanese characters (not counting comeo appearance of ouendan 2 characters) have top knots?, slanted eyes, and bulk teeth, and all the african american characters you help are popular athletes.
I digress, but yeah, I don't think Capcom would get in trouble if they made the french guy gay, but if they do a black face like oilman or have an american soldier going to Africa to kill Zombies, there will be a riot on cyberspace.
Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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You know, it'd make more sense if he even ONCE said "Juan Valdez"... JUST ONCE, DAMMIT!......... I reeeeeeeeeeeeally hope at least one other person gets that joke.
You would pretty much have to be a hardcore coffee maniac like Godot himself to get that one. But now that you mention it, I wonder why they didn't make some reference to him. They could have let us go into his office and see a Café de Colombia poster or something. That would have rocked.
Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Aijiru wrote:
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well, wasn't it actually cafe au lait? french?
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well, wasn't it actually cafe au lait? french?
That's in 3-5 (or in 3-3, I'm not sure...). But in 3-4, he says "café con leche".
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luckyhitmaster wrote:
The clearest example I can think of is Jean Armstrong. It has been discussed before that in Gyakuten Saiban 3, he absolutely wasn't gay. In the English version, it's pretty clear that he is. I could give examples of where he makes it obvious, but just play the game. It doesn't take much of a brain to figure out that he's gay. His character was hilarious, but I'm kind of afraid for Capcom. They're surely going to get sued for that. He's French and he's gay.
Wait, what?! Why would Capcom get sued for that?!
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luckyhitmaster wrote:
The clearest example I can think of is Jean Armstrong. It has been discussed before that in Gyakuten Saiban 3, he absolutely wasn't gay. In the English version, it's pretty clear that he is. I could give examples of where he makes it obvious, but just play the game. It doesn't take much of a brain to figure out that he's gay. His character was hilarious, but I'm kind of afraid for Capcom. They're surely going to get sued for that. He's French and he's gay.
Wait, what?! Why would Capcom get sued for that?!
We do have freedom of press, which would stem into what's written in story/game scripts. But we live in America, where a restaurant can get sued just because the coffee's too hot.
Basically, if someone is even the slightest bit offended, (since this is America), they would most likely be able to sue Capcom for it. Of course. We all know how a big bundle of cash will take the mental pain right away.
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Looking at Armstrongs sprites, I find it hard to believe that he wasnt gay in the japanese game. I mean, look, his breakdown animation is an explosion of rose petals for crying out loud!
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luckyhitmaster wrote:
Connor?! wrote:
luckyhitmaster wrote:
The clearest example I can think of is Jean Armstrong. It has been discussed before that in Gyakuten Saiban 3, he absolutely wasn't gay. In the English version, it's pretty clear that he is. I could give examples of where he makes it obvious, but just play the game. It doesn't take much of a brain to figure out that he's gay. His character was hilarious, but I'm kind of afraid for Capcom. They're surely going to get sued for that. He's French and he's gay.
Wait, what?! Why would Capcom get sued for that?!
We do have freedom of press, which would stem into what's written in story/game scripts. But we live in America, where a restaurant can get sued just because the coffee's too hot.
Basically, if someone is even the slightest bit offended, (since this is America), they would most likely be able to sue Capcom for it. Of course. We all know how a big bundle of cash will take the mental pain right away.
You can't sue a company because they use stereotypes as a gag. That's just plain ridiculous. Some vocal minority may fume over it, but they can't actually do anything than bitch about it.
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Re: Tip of the hat to Javado. [Minor spoilers on Case 2]
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Connor?! wrote:
You can't sue a company because they use stereotypes as a gag. That's just plain ridiculous. Some vocal minority may fume over it, but they can't actually do anything than bitch about it.
Connor? is right. If someone would sue Capcom and wins, think about all the other lawsuits that will follow. Stereotypes in american media is EVERYWHERE. I mean, if one can win in a lawsuit for suing Capcom over Armstrong, people will start suing over movies like "The Last Samurai," "Caveman," "Family Guy," and films that were made long ago lik "Songs from the South." Eventually, it would evolve to suing celebrities in saying racial slurs. I mean as of recent, celebrities like Dog the Bounty Hunter and Kramer from Seinfield have said racial remarks.
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Aijiru wrote:
I don't quite get Maybe I don't know the whole story.
It has been said before that Armstrong is not a French name, so it may also be that he simply likes to look french... he has a french restaurant, after all. Capcom likes to play with stereotypes, that's not the first time they do it.
PD. There are some pretty big spoilers over there, maybe the subject needs an update?
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Maybe I don't know the whole story.It has been said before that Armstrong is not a French name, so it may also be that he simply likes to look french... he has a french restaurant, after all. Capcom likes to play with stereotypes, that's not the first time they do it.
PD. There are some pretty big spoilers over there, maybe the subject needs an update?
I thought it might have some coincidences that the guy who holds the record for a FRENCH sport has the name Armstrong, a very American sounding name.
I'm not saying that they're calling Lance armstrong gay, quite the contrary I think its ironic how they took a French person, took the last name of someone who holds a record for a
French sport (despite that name being American more than anything else), and then using the American created stereotype that French People are gay.
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