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DetectiveTomDamron wrote:
yea...but I think something can be worked out in it as long as pearl's either long gone or offed...i seriously douby shed ever let them be together (Curse you Pearls with your childish fantasies...follow in mystic mayas steps and get kidnapped why dont ya)
I probably shouldn't say this but...I wouldn't mind Pearl being kidnapped and not coming baaack >_< She got annoying REALLY fast.
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I agree that Phoenix/Maya wouldn't work out. Their relationship seems purely platonic, and they treat each other like siblings. Not to mention the age gap, which is pretty large.
Well, that's just her character. Iris tried to go for the bloodless solution, and lying to Phoenix was the only way to do it. She was keeping him alive by lying to him, so I think it can be excused.
Well, she dated him under the pretence of being Dahlia. Phoenix most probably would not believe Iris if she popped up and said she was Dahlia's twin and had really been dating him all along. To be honest, who would?
And, well, yeah. I just like the Phoenix/Iris pairing because it's so sweet it gives me cavities . Not to mention they blush around each other so much it's embarrassing.
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And, hey, issues can be interesting, but my point is that it's not just a matter of "Feenie loves her". Iris, for all her love of him, lied to him the entire time they were dating.
Well, that's just her character. Iris tried to go for the bloodless solution, and lying to Phoenix was the only way to do it. She was keeping him alive by lying to him, so I think it can be excused.
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She didn't contact him at all after her sister tried to murder him. Their lives are also very different now, and there's no indication that she's going to pack up being a shrine maiden for him.
Well, she dated him under the pretence of being Dahlia. Phoenix most probably would not believe Iris if she popped up and said she was Dahlia's twin and had really been dating him all along. To be honest, who would?
And, well, yeah. I just like the Phoenix/Iris pairing because it's so sweet it gives me cavities . Not to mention they blush around each other so much it's embarrassing.
What he said ^.
And I agree with everything you have said. Phoenix with very little doubt in my mind forgave Iris for what she was hiding from him, because in the end, it was merely to save his life. (Even further more, Iris didn't even know Phoenix prior to pretending to be Dahlia. Yet as she got to know him... she began to fall for him... and ultimately if she knew exactly what Dahlia was about to do... as she said she would have stopped her "even if it meant her life... or mine." If thats not devotion to your one true love, then I don't know what is.) I honestly believe that Phoenix and Iris would not have a single problem if they tried getting back together. They may even be closer than they were before, because now all the secrets have been exposed (despite the years of sadness and confusion Phoenix felt). And for those of you writing the relationship off because Iris was now comfortably a nun, thats utter crap. Bikini was hitting on just about every guy that she encountered in the case, and I don't see any rule where "nuns" or attendants of the kurain channeling technique had to be celibate (or however you spelled it). I'm pretty sure true love would win out over being a nun if it were the case that nuns weren't allowed to have a relationship with anyone. and I honestly think that there should be some sort of resolution on this in game 5. (Let alone bring back more old faces, or simply put the new ones in the background as supporting characters. I'm finding it really hard to warm up to ANY of the new characters, simply because after 3 games of getting to know and fall in love with the original cast, to see them completely gone without even so much as mentioning where they went is sitting with me as well as ingesting cyanide.)
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DetectiveTomDamron wrote:
yea...but I think something can be worked out in it as long as pearl's either long gone or offed...i seriously douby shed ever let them be together (Curse you Pearls with your childish fantasies...follow in mystic mayas steps and get kidnapped why dont ya)
I don't know...Pearl may be offended a little at first....but remember, Iris isn't some outside bimbo to Pearl either....
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She's too sweet.
She's too nice.
She's too cute.
Her blushing animation really grosses me out.
NO ONE IS THAT NICE. Goddammit, I haven't despised a character like this since Aeris.and she's trying to take phoenix away from edgey.
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Gozu wrote:
Ugh. I hate Iris.
She's too sweet.
She's too nice.
She's too cute.
Her blushing animation really grosses me out.
NO ONE IS THAT NICE. Goddammit, I haven't despised a character like this since Aeris.and she's trying to take phoenix away from edgey.
She's too sweet.
She's too nice.
She's too cute.
Her blushing animation really grosses me out.
NO ONE IS THAT NICE. Goddammit, I haven't despised a character like this since Aeris.and she's trying to take phoenix away from edgey.
If maybe Capcom would put Iris in more stories, then we might see more flaws in her. No one is perfect, but flaws aren't always completely visible at the first impression.
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Sheer wrote:
If maybe Capcom would put Iris in more stories, then we might see more flaws in her. No one is perfect, but flaws aren't always completely visible at the first impression.
True, but it seems like Capcom specifically went out of their way to portray her as angelic and weak and pure of heart and all that jazz. Something that bugged me about her was how weak and overly feminine she was. Talk about a stereotype :/
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Gozu wrote:
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If maybe Capcom would put Iris in more stories, then we might see more flaws in her. No one is perfect, but flaws aren't always completely visible at the first impression.
True, but it seems like Capcom specifically went out of their way to portray her as angelic and weak and pure of heart and all that jazz. Something that bugged me about her was how weak and overly feminine she was. Talk about a stereotype :/
Again, needs more exposure as a charecter and not a plot device. In my mind, despite being a nun and an overall friendly, angelic figure, she listens to metal. Like Metallica or Megadeth or Iron Maiden. Now that wouldn't be very feminine at all, would it? :p
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Sheer wrote:
Again, needs more exposure as a charecter and not a plot device. In my mind, despite being a nun and an overall friendly, angelic figure, she listens to metal. Like Metallica or Megadeth or Iron Maiden. Now that wouldn't be very feminine at all, would it? :p
Haha. Point taken. She was rather a plot device as opposed to a real character, wasn't she? But then again I suppose you could say that about any of the stand-alone characters.
Point being that, without anything else to go on, I take her at face value - which is an annoying, overly nice and courteous and all-around annoying bitch. Oh, and that blush animation makes me so angry.
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Gozu wrote:
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Again, needs more exposure as a charecter and not a plot device. In my mind, despite being a nun and an overall friendly, angelic figure, she listens to metal. Like Metallica or Megadeth or Iron Maiden. Now that wouldn't be very feminine at all, would it? :p
Haha. Point taken. She was rather a plot device as opposed to a real character, wasn't she? But then again I suppose you could say that about any of the stand-alone characters.
Point being that, without anything else to go on, I take her at face value - which is an annoying, overly nice and courteous and all-around annoying bitch. Oh, and that blush animation makes me so angry.
Hmm, I personally find the blush kinda cute, so lynch me.
The Iris so far is a basis for a potentially deeper character. Naturally, humans have flaws, as well as "black sheep" traits, or traits that don't fit with the character's overall demeanor. Not "flaw" per se, just a trait one wouldn't expect at first glance. Example: my theory of Iris being a head-banging metal freak.
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Gozu wrote:
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If maybe Capcom would put Iris in more stories, then we might see more flaws in her. No one is perfect, but flaws aren't always completely visible at the first impression.
True, but it seems like Capcom specifically went out of their way to portray her as angelic and weak and pure of heart and all that jazz. Something that bugged me about her was how weak and overly feminine she was. Talk about a stereotype :/
I wouldn't say she was COMPLETELY weak. I mean.. not just anyone would
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That takes a lot of guts. Feminine outward appearance doesn't always reflect inner weakness, as proven by Dahlia.
Capcom probably just overly exaggerated the angelic look to throw people off from what kind of person she really was... and since Iris is her twin sister, it's hard to deviate TOO much from the look.
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Aevitas wrote:
I wouldn't say she was COMPLETELY weak. I mean.. not just anyone would
That takes a lot of guts. Feminine outward appearance doesn't always reflect inner weakness, as proven by Dahlia. Capcom probably just overly exaggerated the angelic look to throw people off from what kind of person she really was... and since Iris is her twin sister, it's hard to deviate TOO much from the look.
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That takes a lot of guts. Feminine outward appearance doesn't always reflect inner weakness, as proven by Dahlia.
Capcom probably just overly exaggerated the angelic look to throw people off from what kind of person she really was... and since Iris is her twin sister, it's hard to deviate TOO much from the look.True true. I was actually about to mention that, but the mental image of Iris listening to "One" while headbanging and devil-horning threw me off course.
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Aevitas wrote:
I wouldn't say she was COMPLETELY weak. I mean.. not just anyone would
That takes a lot of guts. Feminine outward appearance doesn't always reflect inner weakness, as proven by Dahlia. Capcom probably just overly exaggerated the angelic look to throw people off from what kind of person she really was... and since Iris is her twin sister, it's hard to deviate TOO much from the look.
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That takes a lot of guts. Feminine outward appearance doesn't always reflect inner weakness, as proven by Dahlia.
Capcom probably just overly exaggerated the angelic look to throw people off from what kind of person she really was... and since Iris is her twin sister, it's hard to deviate TOO much from the look.I took that more as her being 'devoted to her family' or whatnot enough to be walked all over by Dahlia, myself.
And trust me, I know all about feminine outward appearance =/= weakness and all (I'm not THAT old-school of a feminist), but it certainly seems to with Iris.
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However, I'll now throw in my two-cents worth.
Iris is not THAT weak, it's just she IS a little naive. I mean, she's spent her WHOLE life at Hazakura Temple without very much exposure to the outside world.
Sure she'd go along with her sister! Her thoughts of family trusting hadn't been disproven for the same reason; she hadn't left the Temple since she was a child.
After hearing what Dahlia had to say, she suggested that SHE date Phoenix in Dahlia's place so Dahlia wouldn't commit any more sins. However, she fell in love with him after just a few month's time with him, which only proves more that they had something special together.
And about her being too nice, too sweet, too perfect... She's been at Hazakura her whole life, except for those six months where she dated Phoenix in Dahlia's place... What do you expect from someone who's not been exposed to the outside world? Plus, as I've said in other topics, Iris doesn't get enough exposure in T&T to warrant a complete judgment on her personality. The writers at Capcom apparently only planned to use her as a plot device and an explanation for why Dahlia had waited eight months to attempt to kill Phoenix and why Phoenix thought so highly of his "Dollie". I mean, after that earthquake in the middle of Day 3 (...I think it was...) Iris was locked up in that chamber and, for that reason, we didn't get to ask her questions we all were probably wanting to ask. All we got to see is what Dahlia, channeled by Maya, pretending to be Iris, had to say about her.
Another thing that makes me believe that Iris is Phoenix's ideal companion is the fact that he forgave her immediately for what she called "betraying him", even though it was actually deception, but even moreso, it was protection from the evil deed Dahlia had probably had planned from the beginning for "her beloved Feenie". Phoenix went to visit Iris constantly when she was in detention for aiding a murderer and they got to know eachother a lot better. They got all their secrets out of their systems. Also, the six-year gap between T&T and AA:AJ leaves the door wide open for imagination to come in and wonder what happened during those years. I mean sure, that case happened only two months after the end of T&T, but there's no telling what happened for the other massive amount of blank space.
And I can understand why some of you hate Iris; Iris is Dahlia's twin sister and, as such, exhibits some of her body language in the exact same way Dahlia did. That probably reminds you guys of Dahlia and lowers your overall impression of Iris.
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Isn't Dahlia's hair red? It looks kind of black in that picture...
How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...
How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...
Yeah... Iris probably dyed it red so she looked more like Dahlia. But then you couldn't tell that it's Iris, that's why her hair is black. It's a significant detail that explains who you're looking at in this picture.
All she has to say is she dyed her hair and that would have fooled the love struck Phoenix.
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Mysticgamer wrote:
surasshu wrote:
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Isn't Dahlia's hair red? It looks kind of black in that picture...
How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...
How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...
Yeah... Iris probably dyed it red so she looked more like Dahlia. But then you couldn't tell that it's Iris, that's why her hair is black. It's a significant detail that explains who you're looking at in this picture.
All she has to say is she dyed her hair and that would have fooled the love struck Phoenix.
But that wouldn't have worked in the game... the real Dahlia was plotting to kill Phoenix from the begining, and then Iris jumped in to keep her from ruining/taking another life and then while simply trying to protect the life of someone she didn't even know she fell for him. The whole plan was simply just to get the bottle back without him getting killed, but what caused a snafu in that plan was Iris ended up falling in love with Phoenix. If she simply pretended to be Dahlia the entire time, she would have probably felt even guiltier that instead of lying who she really was (and who her sister really was) that she would be lying for the rest of her life. That kind of guilt can kill people emotionally, and certainly would probably hurt Phoenix more that instead of finally confronting him with the truth, that she went further along with the deceit. Iris had alot of guts to finally tell him the truth and get that guilt off her shoulders for deceiving Phoenix (even though it was to save him), and to give Phoenix some relief that the girl he fell in love with really wasn't the same person that tried to kill him and cause so many others pain as well.
To sum it up breifly, it was better that she eventually told him the truth, rather than to go along with the lie.
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But that wouldn't have worked in the game... the real Dahlia was plotting to kill Phoenix from the begining, and then Iris jumped in to keep her from ruining/taking another life and then while simply trying to protect the life of someone she didn't even know she fell for him. The whole plan was simply just to get the bottle back without him getting killed, but what caused a snafu in that plan was Iris ended up falling in love with Phoenix. If she simply pretended to be Dahlia the entire time, she would have probably felt even guiltier that instead of lying who she really was (and who her sister really was) that she would be lying for the rest of her life. That kind of guilt can kill people emotionally, and certainly would probably hurt Phoenix more that instead of finally confronting him with the truth, that she went further along with the deceit. Iris had alot of guts to finally tell him the truth and get that guilt off her shoulders for deceiving Phoenix (even though it was to save him), and to give Phoenix some relief that the girl he fell in love with really wasn't the same person that tried to kill him and cause so many others pain as well.
To sum it up breifly, it was better that she eventually told him the truth, rather than to go along with the lie.
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To sum it up breifly, it was better that she eventually told him the truth, rather than to go along with the lie.
<3 4 Ever. XDTrue. Recall what she said in the Detention Center to Edgeworth...
"I deceived him... for six months. I heard he was in a lot of pain after it all happened..."
"I know I'm a weak person. But... I felt that he shouldn't have to see me ever again."
She was too scared to tell him the truth during the time they went out. I know that's wrong and yada yada but I think when she told Phoenix it was to save his life and had she known about Dahlia's plan, she would have stopped her, that gave enough room for Phoenix to forgive her.
As for being 'too pure'... remember that she was 'paying for some sins', I believe she wasn't all that nice back when they dated (I mean, I'm sure she was still very sweet, very pure... but she must've had a retalitory side or something, right?), and when she felt horrible for what she did, she 'purified herself', hence her never really being angry in 3-5. (I know it's kind of a long shot, but it seems like the theory works.)
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I also agree with Phoenix/Maya being more like a brother/sister type thing, though I guess I can see where people see romance between them.
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But that wouldn't have worked in the game... the real Dahlia was plotting to kill Phoenix from the begining, and then Iris jumped in to keep her from ruining/taking another life and then while simply trying to protect the life of someone she didn't even know she fell for him. The whole plan was simply just to get the bottle back without him getting killed, but what caused a snafu in that plan was Iris ended up falling in love with Phoenix. If she simply pretended to be Dahlia the entire time, she would have probably felt even guiltier that instead of lying who she really was (and who her sister really was) that she would be lying for the rest of her life. That kind of guilt can kill people emotionally, and certainly would probably hurt Phoenix more that instead of finally confronting him with the truth, that she went further along with the deceit. Iris had alot of guts to finally tell him the truth and get that guilt off her shoulders for deceiving Phoenix (even though it was to save him), and to give Phoenix some relief that the girl he fell in love with really wasn't the same person that tried to kill him and cause so many others pain as well.
To sum it up breifly, it was better that she eventually told him the truth, rather than to go along with the lie.
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To sum it up breifly, it was better that she eventually told him the truth, rather than to go along with the lie.
<3 4 Ever. XDTrue. Recall what she said in the Detention Center to Edgeworth...
"I deceived him... for six months. I heard he was in a lot of pain after it all happened..."
"I know I'm a weak person. But... I felt that he shouldn't have to see me ever again."
She was too scared to tell him the truth during the time they went out. I know that's wrong and yada yada but I think when she told Phoenix it was to save his life and had she known about Dahlia's plan, she would have stopped her, that gave enough room for Phoenix to forgive her.
As for being 'too pure'... remember that she was 'paying for some sins', I believe she wasn't all that nice back when they dated (I mean, I'm sure she was still very sweet, very pure... but she must've had a retalitory side or something, right?), and when she felt horrible for what she did, she 'purified herself', hence her never really being angry in 3-5. (I know it's kind of a long shot, but it seems like the theory works.)
I also think Phoenix forgave her completely... (I'm not sure if you thought I didn't think Phoenix forgave her or not.) thats why I'm so into the idea that there will be some sort of relationship between them, even if its after/during game 5. As long as they bring it up in a way that works and won't be something like "hey remember me?" *blush* (commence baby making).
As for what she was like during the time they were dating, I don't think she changed at all. The way I see it? Think how Dahlia and Iris are like Yin and Yang, you can't have super Evil (Dahlia) without super good (Iris). Besides if Iris wasn't the same during the time she and "Feenie" were dating, I highly doubt Phoenix would have said that one comment at the end to Iris that implies that not only he forgave her for her "deceit" but that he has had and still has feelings for her since 6 years ago.
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Throughout 3-5, it was like Phoenix couldn't decide who he cared more about, but I noticed that during the earthquake, Phoenix panics about Maya, not Iris.
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I also suspect that since Dahlia hates Phoenix, she assumed the relationship existed so as to hurt him more. That and Maya is unquestionably dear to Phoenix, no matter the specifics of their relationship, so in that sense, she's right.
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I want to start off with saying that I am in no way trying to talk you out of supporting Maya/ Phoenix (in fact I like the pairing, but there are some issues with it that keep me from really supporting it), but as a romantic pairing, it is certainly not canon. There are no canon pairings for present day Phoenix. There is no doubt that Phoenix and Maya love each other, but is it romantic love? While there are some places were you can read it as romantic (more in the second game than the other two in my opinion, but that is beside the point), Phoenix and Maya seem to have an extremely strong familial relationship. They tease each other like brother and sister, not like lovers for the most part. Maya even states in case two when you present her profile to her that she is going to have to buckle down and be a good "big sister" to Pearl and Nick. I think she says something similar again in the credits, but I can't remember. At the first meeting with Iris, Maya teases Phoenix mercilessly for his reaction saying things like "looks like you've been bitten by the love bug" and "Iris and Nick sitting in a tree..." (that silly little rhyme). If she truly held romantic feeling for him, I can't see her teasing him about another woman without any reaction of pain. This moves me to my next point, which is it possible she is hiding her feelings? I can't deny the possiblity as I didn't create the characters, but Maya has never been good at hiding her feelings. While I will not state every example in all three games, I will use the end of 3-5 as an example. Here we see Maya feigning happiness so that she can be strong for Pearl, but it is quite obvious she is upset even with the smile on her face. Maya's expression when teasing Nick about Iris and at the end of 3-5 (when we know she is trying to hide her true feelings) are not even close to the same. Iris does seem to read the situation differently, but while Iris is a sweet person, her actual judgement about people seems inaccuracte (ex. Edgeworth questions her judgement when presenting Maya's profile to Iris). They are close, so for someone who had just met them, this is not that large a leap. Phoenix actually states in case two that he thinks Pearl might have the wrong idea about his and Maya's relationship. Iris wouldn't even have considered the possibilty that Phoenix might still have feelings for her as she truly believes her "betrayal" to have been unforgivable. Phoenix does not seem to share this feeling as he certainly seems to forgive her completely at the end. To your last point, Phoenix running across the bridge to get to Maya does not automatically indicate romantic feelings. Phoenix does love her. I just have a problem with the type of love because it seems far more likely to be familial than romantic.
HOLY SHIT! I am supposed to have the attention span to read that?
I think my eyes hurt...
I believe shortly afterwards, she yells at him "STOP THINKING ABOUT THAT GIRL!" (In response to ""Iris and Nick sitting in a tree...")
It also happened in 3-2 when she yells at Nick after meeting Adrian (her excuse being "I thought it was dramatic"). Capcom, in a sense, did the cleverness of pleasing everyone with the last case of T&T. I liked how they really opened it to anybody, really. So in a sense, any pairing is just as canon as the next (for the most part anyways). Likewise, The Phoenix/Maya relationship has developed throughout the trilogy as a possibility that is certaintly open. While Phoenix/Iris is also entirely possible, I think Iris is a bit of a... how can I put this without pissing anyone off? You know what, nevermind, onto my next point. It always struck me, while playing the games, that Phoenix didn't have that much romantic intrest in Maya. It was really Maya, and in 3-2 it struck me as odd that she stammered a bit before telling Nick why Pearl thinks they have a relationship, especially when Maya told Nick earlier. She had no bad memories of her father (he died, not left), and Pearl's father Left before she was born. Next point (addressing these in no order, really, since I completely shot my brain by reading that entire thing) is that Dahlia wanted to kill Maya for revenge on MIA, not Phoenix. As for the "sister" comment, Franziska said the same thing about Edgeworth. More than that, is that incest? O_o
In conclusion, I really feel that it's pointless to argue about it now (I feel dumb for posting here in the first place), because Capcom will never address it. They clervly made T&T so that there's a lot to support multiple pairings (Edgey's "partner comment scarred/scared me a lot).
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Since you brought Dahlia back up, I would point out that, though her primary motivation is revenge on Mia, she "hates [Phoenix's] guts" and doesn't seem like she'd spare an opportunity to cause him suffering.
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Diego assisted for Mia, would die for her, and certainly loved her, romantically, despite a significant age difference.
Maya assisted for Nick, Nick would certainly have died to protect Maya, the similarity is quite striking. Godot certainly makes this very clear "I closed my eyes to the most important man[also person] involved."
It's actually quite interesting, really: He knows that Nick cares more about Maya than her own mother does. Not to say Misty didn't love Maya, but that's a hell of a lot of caring for Nick to show. Kinda like how he trusts Iris after 5 years [and possibly trying to kill him and frame him], and tries to save Edgey so much.
[Edit] For that matter, Nick cares about way too many people way too much, it's kind of bizarre really.
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MoogleGunner wrote:
[Edit] For that matter, Nick cares about way too many people way too much, it's kind of bizarre really.
Phoenix is very dependent on his friends. Both in the courtroom and out. If he hadn't befriended Maya right after Mia's death, he probably would've sulked his way to hobo-ness. So him going out of his way to care for the friends he needs is actually very fitting.
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RazeTora wrote:
Nick loves everyone and no one, everything and nothing. This, dear children, is fandom. In fandom, Phoenix can marry Iris, go out with Maya one day, buy Franny a SUPER WHIP, and get to the prosecutor's office by 9 for activities with Edgeworth.
All. In one day.
All. In one day.
... Oh my god.
You win twenty internets for that. XD
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RazeTora wrote:
Nick loves everyone and no one, everything and nothing. This, dear children, is fandom. In fandom, Phoenix can marry Iris, go out with Maya one day, buy Franny a SUPER WHIP, and get to the prosecutor's office by 9 for activities with Edgeworth.
All. In one day.
All. In one day.
You forgot about his fling with
in the morning.
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Iris is a cool character, and of course she seems perfect, whe grew up in a temple with an extroverted but loving nun who raised her well. She's polite, respectful, and kind, and I think that pure spirit about her is what attracts her to Phoenix, though Phoenix is a bit more worldly.
Even Bikini said that Write's face was one who was world-weary and and seen many hardships and difficulties. Iris perhaps was similar, but more secluded. Phoenix would be like a father/brother to Maya who has just Pearls left, whereas iris, though a splitting image of her sister, would be the sweet person someone could love. I think the impact 'some person', who is now Iris, had on Phoenix is clear, and he was right all along about her, though it took 5 years to solve the mystery.
Nonetheless, there is a lot more to it that would take a long time to explain. But I like other theories here too, but in the end, I could never really accept a Maya/Phoenix romantic relationship as much as I do iris, despite Pearl's urging towards that subject.
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Even *Maya* ships 'em. WITH APPROVAL.
XD And we all know Maya predictions > Pearl's shippings.
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