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Anywho I have a website to share. It's not listed on the main site. It's:
http://jiasu.lolipop.jp/gyakusai/top.htm
I love the image posted on the site right now. It's SO adorable.
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In short answer..I hope so. I do so likes the Yaoi.
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Personally, I didn't think he was gay as I was playing the game. I won't touch the "wearing pink, drinking tea" argument just because it's been done to death. I'll try to address his personality instead. Some people say the closest people in his life are men, so that sets up for a higher possibility. Granted, it would seem he doesn't have a lot of friends outside of work because he doesn't seem to have much of a social life, and unfortunately it might also mean most of his colleagues are men. But... if those colleagues were female, I'm sure he'd give them the same treatment. Case in point, Lana Skye. He looked to her as a mentor of sorts, like Mia was to Phoenix, and gave her proper respects, and gave extra care when handling her case in 1-5. Plus, the whole thing about Maya getting Edgey to open up since the first game shows to me that he does pay attention to a certain level. In JFA, he worked super hard when Maya was in danger, and same thing in T&T. It seems to be made out sometimes that he only goes out of the way to help Phoenix, but I don't think that's true. He reaches out to all his friends at one point or another regardless of gender (Phoenix, Maya, Gumshoe, Franziska, etc.). That's one of the things I love about him actually.
He might not have been blushing or drooling at attractive women who show up in court, but some guys are just like that. That doesn't make them gay. And referring to Gumshoe's comment about Iris about how he imagined that "maybe she was some girl he dumped along the way," I actually took that to mean that he took offense to the fact that someone was gossiping about him about something that wasn't true, let alone something as sensitive as breaking a girl's heart. I mean.. if I found out there were rumors like that going around about me, I'd probably react the same way that Edgey did.
Also,
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Sexuality in general's a shaky thing to try to define, but I really don't think it's an unreasonable leap to make from there, given that Edgeworth isn't just uninterested in women, he's clueless about viewing them in a sexual or romantic way. Leading to a great deal of hilarity, which of course is the most important thing.
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*cough*
Alright, the major explanation for why Edgeworth is whoamg-in-love-take-me-now-in-kinky-self-insertion-fan-fics with Phoenix in 3-5 is the following, right?
1. He comes flying to Nick the moment he hears he might have died.
2. He runs to Nick as soon as the earthquake happens, ignoring his solemn duty
3. He's completely oblivious to the fact that females like him.
4. The Partner line
Well, there are perfectly logical, straight answers to all of those:
1. He thought his friend almost died/was actually dead. That's a pretty big deal, plus Larry's kind of... bad at explaining things. Real bad. It seems reasonable to, if you can afford it, charter a private jet if you're under the impression that a very close friend is on his death bed.
2. He thought that he just lost the defendant, who ran off, and was also the only one who could save Maya, as far as he knew. Wright, being a defense attorney, and the person who cares most about Maya deserved to know both of those. Immediately.
3. Edgeworth grew up in the von Karma household. That couldn't have done wonders for his self-esteem, and certainly he didn't have enough time to really "communicate" with the ladies. Combined with the fact that he's something like a total nerd (which once again, probably didn't help his socializing with the ladies) could very well mean that he's completely oblivious to it, unintentionally, kind of like the disgruntled worker who can't find a job... Edgeworth is a disgruntled man, who can't get up the courage to talk to the women he likes, and is ignorant of the rest, and is therefore oblivious to the frothing desire generated by his "rugged good looks" or whatever it is you women see in him.
4. After 2-4, calling Phoenix his partner seems perfectly reasonable, plus there's probably some funky legalities involved in having two lawyers on the same case. In this case, Edgeworth probably created a fake partnership between the two, making them part of the same law firm, and thus able to switch spots like that. "Partner" was Edgey's way of telling Nick that it worked.
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Do you know the quotes/paraphrases... also, I don't really remember a Psyche-Lock on Edgeworth...
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Basically, if Edgeworth messes up Iris's psyche-lock regarding her "secret", Iris calls him out on having a deep secret locked away in his own heart that she can recognize because she's "the same". Edgeworth is completely stunned, but acknowledges that she's right, and that helping Phoenix in this case is the only way to resolve it. We never explicitly find out what Edgeworth's secret actually is.
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I mean... if there was any doubt, it's gone. I can think of no other reasonable explanation for that line.
Granted, all it proves is that Miles Edgeworth is GAY. Phoenix is a whole different situation.
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*just realized he ran to him in the earthquake*
Phoenix is Edgeworth's DL-6 security blanket ftw.
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Is there anything else besides the whole partner line? And the obvious, as RT put it so eloquently "Phoenix is Edgey's security blanket".Hmm, I haven't recieved Edgey's "wargh" (
) look, don't know how to get that and to what he reacts to that with. Or Phoenix's heart eyes.
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Luna wrote:
Woo-hoo I finally got to those parts in 3-5. I didn't get the pscholock one with Iris the first time around, so playing it through a second time I got that. Wow, now if that doesn't hint towards anything I don't know what does. Is there anything else besides the whole partner line? And the obvious, as RT put it so eloquently "Phoenix is Edgey's security blanket".
Hmm, I haven't recieved Edgey's "wargh" ( ) look, don't know how to get that and to what he reacts to that with. Or Phoenix's heart eyes.
Is there anything else besides the whole partner line? And the obvious, as RT put it so eloquently "Phoenix is Edgey's security blanket".Hmm, I haven't recieved Edgey's "wargh" (
) look, don't know how to get that and to what he reacts to that with. Or Phoenix's heart eyes.I think the programmers deleted those animations for an unknown reason...
Anyway... about P/E in general... I must say that I didn't like it at first *dodges knives*. Before 1-4 I thought that some "crazy fangirls" would pair them only because they were rivals (and I didn't like Edgeworth *dodges knives again*). When I played the case, I felt sorry for Edgeworth and I realized how "special" was his relationship with Phoenix.
In "Justice For All" I noticed how... suspicious (:hotti:) was Phoenix attitude towards Edgeworth's disappearance and I thought "those crazy fangirls are going to make up things...".
When I played "Trials and Tribulations" I didn't get the famous line about Edgeworth's "deep, dark secret". But I read something about it... and I thought "there isn't many interpretations xD". Then, I started to kinda like the pairing... but what really made me like it was Raelle and musouka's amazing fanfic Struggling Against Gravity (I have to make a decent review of it...) and StudioKawaii's fanarts.
And that's how P/E became the first yaoi pairing I like :).
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Luna wrote:
I bet you have to mess up somewhere and hopefully it'll lead to more Phoenix/Edgey stuff. Where? Don't know.
Should I press harder?...Nah...The defense rests, your honor.
Your Honor, the prosecution requests that he may molest and bring home the defense.
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Elriel wrote:
Before 1-4 I thought that some "crazy fangirls" would pair them only because they were rivals
Hahaha, I was the same way! Playing through the first half of GS1, I actually took a second to stop and think "oh, boy, crazy fangirls are going to be all over this. x_x"
But, uh, 1-4 and everything that followed was really something. XD;
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Should I press harder?...Nah...The defense rests, your honor. Your Honor, the prosecution requests that he may molest and bring home the defense. BETCH I'LL SCRATCH YER EYES OUT. BRING IT....Someone please, please, please draw that
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^I just want to say I found your mini-essay interesting.
Should I press harder?...Nah...The defense rests, your honor.
Your Honor, the prosecution requests that he may molest and bring home the defense.
BETCH I'LL SCRATCH YER EYES OUT.
BRING IT.
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I bet you have to mess up somewhere and hopefully it'll lead to more Phoenix/Edgey stuff. Where? Don't know.
Should I press harder?...Nah...The defense rests, your honor. Your Honor, the prosecution requests that he may molest and bring home the defense. BETCH I'LL SCRATCH YER EYES OUT. BRING IT.OMG, I'm SO drawing this when I get a chance. That wins all.
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Welcome into the fold Elriel.
Great explanation on how you got into the pairing. Yeah I did the same thing at first. Oh, fangirls are going to go wild. As I continued to play I was like, hmm, their interactions are saying something, nothing overly out there. And as I kept playing I could see that their friendship really could can become something more.
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My primary points of reference are *not* anime. manga or video games and I know exactly what I'd be expecting to be foreshadowed if those lines were in a book or a film.
I will freely admit to having been more suspicious of Phoenix's sexuality earlier on than I was of Edgeworth's, for a variety of reasons which I think I discussed here at the time.
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Elriel wrote:
Luna wrote:
Anyway... about P/E in general... I must say that I didn't like it at first *dodges knives*. Before 1-4 I thought that some "crazy fangirls" would pair them only because they were rivals (and I didn't like Edgeworth *dodges knives again*). When I played the case, I felt sorry for Edgeworth and I realized how "special" was his relationship with Phoenix.
And that's how P/E became the first yaoi pairing I like :).
Thats what I like about PW so much ( and the pairing) I actually dont consider myself much of a 'fangirl'. My friends have actually dubbed me the 'anti-fangirl" Yea, I like yaoi, I cant STAND the extreme fangirls who put together every rival pairing and insist its true.
In the same way i dislike most yaoi manga / games because therye too..ah..I dont know 'immature"?
( ie they seem to be made for 14 year old girls to squeal over the blatant inuendo and yet still never come out with it.
PW suggest just so much that I dont feel guilty about liking the pairing, yet doesnt suggest SO much that I find myself committing seppuku for joining the ranks of the "ZOMG!! THEYRE SOOO GAY!!! Little fangirls *Hiding in corner sucking thumb*
I honestly didnt imagine that Edgeworth was truly gay,,until the evidence brought up in this thread, tho im still not 100% convinced.
Oh, and I didnt like Edgeworth at first either..then I saw what a messed little boy he is and decided that maybe he just needs a hug..and therapy LOTS of therapy.
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Let's just say that when I got around to the lines in game, all I could think was gaygayyaoigaygaygayfangirlismsgaygaygay
Can't wait until I get to 3-5 and run across the partner comment.
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It's more the other stuff that made my eyebrows shoot up into my hairline :)
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"Oh, I was gay for a guy who's a hobo now."
"....."
"Trust me, he used to be smexy."
"....."
"Trust me, he used to be smexy."
Oh, he still is.
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Older Edgeworth would TOTALLY hit dat.
@ MobUK- The partner line makes me think of cowboys. And you all know what that means.
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), but I did find a pretty amusing account of it over on Iscariot's Logic.Spoiler:
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Luna wrote:
Is there anything else besides the whole partner line? And the obvious
I don't think it's quite as strong as the "secret" sequence, but I do think it's kind of interesting that Iris's Hood is one of only two pieces of evidence Edgeworth will react to when Phoenix gets a chance to talk to him, and Edgeworth reacts by being snippy about Phoenix and Iris's relationship.
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Sorry... I had to make the pun.
Anyway, I guess this means that in a Gay-off between Edgeworth and Adrian, Edgeworth wins. =/
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Is it wrong that I went back and started playing again after I'd finished 3:5 so I could try out showing or asking about as many bits of evidence/profiles etc. as possible and see what happened?
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Luna wrote:
Welcome into the fold Elriel. Great explanation on how you got into the pairing. Yeah I did the same thing at first. Oh, fangirls are going to go wild. As I continued to play I was like, hmm, their interactions are saying something, nothing overly out there. And as I kept playing I could see that their friendship really could can become something more.
Great explanation on how you got into the pairing. Yeah I did the same thing at first. Oh, fangirls are going to go wild. As I continued to play I was like, hmm, their interactions are saying something, nothing overly out there. And as I kept playing I could see that their friendship really could can become something more.Thanks for the welcome :). And it seems that I'm not the only one who didn't like them together at first... it's a bit funny, isn't it?
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And it seems that I'm not the only one who didn't like them together at first... it's a bit funny, isn't it?
It was the same for me too, actually. I'm really not into yaoi or anything and I never had an OTP before coming to this fandom either. But this pairing is just perfect, I don't know :)
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RazeTora wrote:
I think I could feel Edgeworth being a bit...frustrated with the whole Iris ordeal. But maybe that's just me. Maybe it was a subconscious cue from seeing a girl who looked almost exactly like a girl who
Oh, Edgey, you and your grudges.
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But I think that he doesn't remember Dahlia...
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Elriel wrote:
RazeTora wrote:
I think I could feel Edgeworth being a bit...frustrated with the whole Iris ordeal. But maybe that's just me. Maybe it was a subconscious cue from seeing a girl who looked almost exactly like a girl who
Oh, Edgey, you and your grudges.
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But I think that he doesn't remember Dahlia...
Nope, Edgeworth does remembers Dahlia from his first case.
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Spoiler: 3-5 spoilers~
Spoiler: 3-5
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Elriel wrote:
Thanks for the welcome :). And it seems that I'm not the only one who didn't like them together at first... it's a bit funny, isn't it?
Yeah what really got me was when I got further into case 1-4. Then, when it hit 1-5 I was like HOLD IT, something interesting is starting to appear. And once I started playing JFA, I was like, okay, I really see something. Unhappy Phoenix, is extremely upset that Edgeworth disappeared without saying a word. What really got me seeing this relationship of their's is deep/getting deeper is that Phoenix became a lawyer because of Edgey. He changed his whole career to revolve around seeing him again. And with the frustration and sadness in JFA and once you get to 2-4 it's like, all right, something definitely can happen between these two. And TaT, nuff said, so much happens (as many have explained already). And I'm replaying 3-5 again to see if I missed anything else. And thus, thats how I became a fangirl for the two of them.
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Spoiler: 3-5
Oh dear. I just realized that I completely worded that wrong. D: Arrrgh.
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Elriel wrote:
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I think I could feel Edgeworth being a bit...frustrated with the whole Iris ordeal. But maybe that's just me. Maybe it was a subconscious cue from seeing a girl who looked almost exactly like a girl who
Oh, Edgey, you and your grudges.
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But I think that he doesn't remember Dahlia...
I said SUBCONSCIOUS CUES. Not direct...D:
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