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There's a fanart of Ron riding in a sidecar with Dessie somewhere on the main board (the big GS cute couples thread, 1st page w all the fanart)

It's adorable! ^^

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A pillion is the seat in the back of a motorcycle.


Unfortunately, it's also known as the 'bitch seat'...
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I just seriously wish it was her. I think it would have made it a lot more interesting if she was the thief, or like someone said she was the one sending the instructions.
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Am I the only one that never suspected her? I honestly never even considered the thought that it was Dessie for a moment. I see the little mini-connection they did with 3-1 now that you guys mention it, but at the time it didn't even cross my mind.
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I never really suspected her, but the idea did cross my mind once when I thought about how she was the only person who didn't have a tight alibi and would still have a motive. I discarded the idea after a few seconds though.

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I suspected Luke after only the first series of text out of him. I don't know why, he just seemed so obvious a little more quickly to me than most people would have been convinced. I will admit that I didn't suspect Ron until the first time I talked to him in the second investigation phase. But I right away suspected Luke as the murderer when that came up.

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I suspected Atmey throughout almost the entire case...I only thought it might actually be Ron by the beginning of the second trial, and wasn't convinced until the VERY end. I don't know why, but something about Desiree made me pretty positive that it wasn't gonna be her.
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ohh yess! i looked at her pic in the records and i noticed that her smile was the same as DeMasque's (that was the only part peeking through his mask)
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ohh yess! i looked at her pic in the records and i noticed that her smile was the same as DeMasque's (that was the only part peeking through his mask)


On second thought, rather than a red herring, I think it was more of a graphic short-cut. That, and it just brings home how girly Ron...

I knew Atmey would have been charged with SOMETHING, since you know, 'bad-guy-alert'. Since noone actually DIED for the theft, I kind of expected him to get his come-uppance some other way...
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At first I thought Atmey couldn't be Mask☆DeMasque because there was no way his nose could fit under that mask.

But then I was wrong. :gant:
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This topic ****ing sucks.

I'm right in the middle of the case, and ran into the "the blackmail thread" typo... Apparently typos were fixed so I was curious and wandered by to read any discussion on that. However this topic completely ruined that case for me by putting "HER" in the topic title. Oh... so deflated...

I should just stop visiting this site.
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Tinister wrote:
This topic ****ing sucks.

I'm right in the middle of the case, and ran into the "the blackmail thread" typo... Apparently typos were fixed so I was curious and wandered by to read any discussion on that. However this topic completely ruined that case for me by putting "HER" in the topic title. Oh... so deflated...

I should just stop visiting this site.

Thus is the nature of CR, unfortunately. We all get spoiled somehow. :sawit:
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This topic ****ing sucks.


Nobody disses my very first topic on CR forums!

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*Presents Mask*DeMasques profile to Larry*

Larry: "Hey, Nick, you every think that might be a chick under that mask?"

(Rough quote)


I think we where SUPPOSED to suspect her.
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....anyway, I just finished the Mask*DeMasque case...

My sincerest apologies for acting rash and confusing the topic title for an actual spoiler.

...do you think they make a crow-flavored coffee?
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My sincerest apologies for acting rash and confusing the topic title for an actual spoiler.


Damn straight!

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...do you think they make a crow-flavored coffee?


With the avian flu? Hell no!

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I think we where SUPPOSED to suspect her.


Well, usually PW logic is pretty 'realistic', barely, but I'm guessing the fact that MaskDeMasque had a very flat chest was a big clue in the end...

...it, however, still doesn't explain Atmey's apparent elastic nose.
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I actually did suspect her...


Spoiler: Case 2
When she showed with the urn towards the end of the first trial I kinda thought that was too convenient. Then during the murder trial, after it's revealed that Atmey set up the whole thing from the beginning to get arrested, I thought she might have been in cahoots w/ Atmey. I thought she "found" the urn on purpose to help get Atmey convicted, and that she was the one in the picture at the warehouse (so Atmey could be at KB to murder Kane)...the whole idea of taking a picture earlier never crossed my mind.

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I've put up the SPOILER tag in my topic title, so you don't have to use it for anything in here (unless you talk about another case maybe).

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When she showed with the urn towards the end of the first trial I kinda thought that was too convenient.


Actually, technically she just broke into Atmey's home and stole his property and THEN brought it into a court room.

Combined this with the fact that she apparently fully supports her and Ron's 'side-business', she has GOT to be the most morally ambiguous person I've ever seen in this game @___@

I mean, even Ron has some misgivings: "Sometimes I think we're the worst criminals..."

Give her the right motivation and heck, she WOULD turn to a life of crime for the thrills!
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This topic ****ing sucks.


Nobody disses my very first topic on CR forums!

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Firstly, over-reaction to the extreme.

Secondly, there's only really one her in the case that could've been Mask de Masque anyway, so he does kinda have a point.
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I was convinced that there had to be three people involved in both crimes in order to make it work...

I thought that she was involved in some way, but I always thought that Ron was Mask DeMasque.
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Secondly, there's only really one her in the case that could've been Mask de Masque anyway, so he does kinda have a point.


Firstly, it's apparent that he assumed I meant the HER in my topic title was the actual MaskDeMasque and not what I meant as an alternate viewpoint. You can see this in his reply, in which he APOLOGIZES for overreacting HIMSELF in the first place.

If anything, his confusion over the topic title made th case even more baffling and surprising, and he was not spoiled until the game itself confirms that MaskDeMasque is Ron.

Secondly, if using the F word constitutes being mild, while making up a fake PW Hadouken move with a smilie is considered 'extreme', then the one who's off is really you, Darzie.
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Um, I didn't use the F-word. I typed stars.

Though you certainly could have acted less arrogant over the whole ordeal. When someone apologizes and you respond "Damn straight!" it makes people less likely to apologize to you in the future, dontchaknow.
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Though you certainly could have acted less arrogant over the whole ordeal. When someone apologizes and you respond "Damn straight!" it makes people less likely to apologize to you in the future, dontchaknow.


I've been around the internet long enough to not really care for it, but it was a nice sentiment all the say.

Also, you shouldn't be hypocritical since using stars and implying usage of the F-bomb, especially as one of your first posts, is crass and leaves a very bad first impression. In this case, that you weren't worthy any manners on my part since you don't have any yourself.

In which case, I'm fairly proud that I haven't actually cursed at you besides over-the-top theatrics which can disappear fairly quickly if I wasn't in such a tired yet happy mood.
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You tell me I'm not worthy of any manners from you because I myself don't have manners. However, I apologized which is a mannerism of its own. Are you implying that you're not accepting my apology?

Moreover, it's true that it implies usage of that word, but it's just that, an implication. Can you provide evidence that I had intended to use the F-word? If I wanted to type that word out, believe me, I would have.
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The 'only' reason I suspected her was because I saw the title of this thread before finishing the case.
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This topic ****ing sucks.


Phrasing suggests verb usage. Use of self-censoring "stars" indicates initial determined usage of offensive and/or inappropriate verb.

Subject claims that if intention of using original form of F-word (referred as Word A), then subject would proceed to write F-word.

ERROR! If statement true, than Word A would have already been written in place of "F-word" euphemism in Subject's previous statement.

Error resolving... ... ... ... CONCLUSION: If Subject was not referring to Word A in initial statement, if Subject is willing to use Word A yet Word A was not used; then initial word's offensive must be elevated over Word A to prompt self-censorship.

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Are you implying that you're not accepting my apology?


Actually, the irony was that I did and was pretty much over that (that hadouken was for fun because I wanted to see how long I could come up with characters and weapons. I realized I forgot Von Karma and his taser in the end, and decided to end it with a smilie for effect).

The thing that got on my nerves was DarzieP's comment, because his failure to notice your initial reaction and including your explanation made me his target and claims when similar claims could have been attributed to you.

So the tirade after that was never meant at you, but at DarzieP. I was and am still only interested in HIS response or lack thereof.

Anyway, I considered my reply to be the end of the matter between me and him. But you wanted to worm yourself into it, and that's your own prerogative.

Now I'm incensed because you think you have a legit argument and seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that an exaggerate hadouken and "Damn straight" are comments more offensive than something that requires ****.

And don't pull a PW pun into your argument as well, that's just sad. I don't really care either way about you anymore and I spent this much time writing this because I've been staring at Photoshop for over 5 hours fixing my portfolio and wanted a break.
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Your argument falls apart when you insist the stars were meant to be something else. They weren't. The fact that I struck shift+8, shift+8, shift+8, shift+8 on my keyboard was no accident.

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Anyway, I considered my reply to be the end of the matter between me and him.


Please, you were making accusations against me in your reply to him. You're not gonna get away with that.

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seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that an exaggerate hadouken and "Damn straight" are comments more offensive than something that requires ****.


The nature of the stars notwithstanding, I do acknowledge this fact. The key difference here is that I apologized and recanted my comments, and you took that recanting as an opportunity to act smugly... and seemingly refuse to acknowledge that such recanting even occurred.

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But of course. I bring no emotions into my arguments. I'm just curious as to how far this will go (getting angry at me for using a Phoenix Wright pun?).
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I liked the characters in 3:2 and 3:3 but I wasn't wild about the plots.

3:1, 3:4 and 3:5 were preferable to me on that score.


Same here although I liked 3:2 for doing something new with the first case being.......


Spoiler: case 3:2 spoilers
finished in one day and that the case was thieft.

Part 3:3 was meh to me. I thought it dragged on like case 2:3. I also wasn't completely moved by Violette tear-shedding moment. Just that it seems that there is a lack of character developement in her part to turn on Tigero. I mean, I can understand why.... [spoiler=case 3:3]she wasn't up in jail for helping Tigero, but I wished there was more to it for her to turn on Tigero other than that he doesn't show his love to her and that he is only being nice to her because she is the mob boss's daughter. If Tigero abused her verbally or physically, then I understand, but yeah..
This case seems a bit wonky to me in terms of story structure.
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Doom Saber wrote:
KingMobUK wrote:
I liked the characters in 3:2 and 3:3 but I wasn't wild about the plots.

3:1, 3:4 and 3:5 were preferable to me on that score.


Same here although I liked 3:2 for doing something new with the first case being.......


Spoiler: case 3:2 spoilers
finished in one day and that the case was thieft.

Part 3:3 was meh to me. I thought it dragged on like case 2:3. I also wasn't completely moved by Violette tear-shedding moment. Just that it seems that there is a lack of character developement in her part to turn on Tigero. I mean, I can understand why.... [spoiler=case 3:3]she wasn't up in jail for helping Tigero, but I wished there was more to it for her to turn on Tigero other than that he doesn't show his love to her and that he is only being nice to her because she is the mob boss's daughter. If Tigero abused her verbally or physically, then I understand, but yeah..
This case seems a bit wonky to me in terms of story structure.


No need for spoiler tags; well not for 3:2 anyway.

But I think we all suspected murder was going to come into the picture for 3:2 eventually, it wouldn't be a Wright case if someone wasn't dead -.-;;;

However, mild quibble since the person who died was someone with basically zilch back-story besides being a blackmailing arse and having waaaay too much concept art dedicated to his character (seriously, he had at least 4 alternate designs on the concept art page =/)

And 3:3 was just badly crafted =/ Not only for the frequent and huge leaps of logic, but mostly how the courtroom is shown to be filled with short-sighted idiots that allowed Furio Tigre to pass as Phoenix in the first place T___T;;; Seriously, how do they inspect evidence like this?

Viola and Furio definitely deserved more backstory. All the drama-moments and cutscenes left for Gumshoe and Maggey (while cute) would have been great transferred to Furio and Viola instead.
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ironically, when playing the game, before Case 2 started, I said to myself "I wonder, does Phoenix ever do not-murder crimes/don't non-murder crimes occur in the GS world?" and then there was a thievery case, which I knew had to end in murder somehow.

i was getting depressed with all the murder.
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You know what was highly suspicious?

When Godot comes out and just says "We found the body of Kane Bullard."

Noone really got what he was saying at first, except Dessie who's the FIRST to react, and does her "I'm offended" reaction and says "Wh-what?"

Very strange. From that alone, I would definitely suspect she had more to do with the case.

Like, maybe she found Ron's blackmail letter and decided to settle the score with Kane Bullard for him. Ends up killing him, and all that to protect Ron.

Also, I forgot she made that extreme outburst when they arrested Ron. Which isn't really suspicious, just pretty sweet ^^
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Honestly, i have a strong desire to rewrite the endings to 3-2, 3-3, and 3-5. I just dont like the resolutions that the writers gave them.
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Honestly, I never suspected Dessie, simply because I was too happy that they decided to fix the irritating parts of Lotta Hart (and squeeing over Dessie and Ron, which threw me severely since I don't usually squee over things that don't involve randomly finding out Weird Al's holding a concert in town two days before the show.)
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yes its true luke atmey being the thief or rather the baddie was obvious,at least to me but wasn't this case a copy of something i can't remember about?
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I suspected her only because I saw this blasted thread's title before the game came to the States and I assumed you guys were discussing something that had actually been revealed in 3-2. Thanks for throwing me completely off-track, guys. :P
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hell no i kind of knew he was mask demasque from the begining because 1. several times he admits he is and guess what happens! no psyke lock we all no about the engarde madness and some people now think its exactly the question even if it was he a lock with the max of 5 would show up 2. i thought luke atmy was evil but it seemed like he knew everything about ron making me beleive he was a blackmailer from the green letter 3. if you could tilt his face on his profile it looks like mask de maque's mouth

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hell no i kind of knew he was mask demasque from the begining because 1. several times he admits he is and guess what happens! no psyke lock we all no about the engarde madness and some people now think its exactly the question even if it was he a lock with the max of 5 would show up 2. i thought luke atmy was evil but it seemed like he knew everything about ron making me beleive he was a blackmailer from the green letter 3. if you could tilt his face on his profile it looks like mask de maque's mouth


No need for spoiler tags in here buddy =p

Anyway

1.) It was said, especially by Dessie, that Ron is a crazed fanboy who seriously BELIEVES in his fantasy that he's the phantom thief. He may not have been 'evil mad' like Matt, but if he was really absorbed into the whole phantom thief persona, then no Psychelock would appear because he sincerely believes it to be true. (I can't decipher what 'exactly the question even if it was he a lock with the max of 5 would show up' means so I won't get into it)

2) Luke's whole career was based on knowing everything about MaskDeMasque, so his knowledge isn't really surprising. Also, the lower-mouth graphic for MaskDeMasque is actually from his wife, Des, and not from Ron. I overlayed them for comparison. As MaskDeMasque, Ron even mimics Des' pose, which adds to the confusion.

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I suspected her only because I saw this blasted thread's title before the game came to the States and I assumed you guys were discussing something that had actually been revealed in 3-2. Thanks for throwing me completely off-track, guys. :P


You have to admit though, a lot of clues fit into place with her =p I still say it would have been satisfying if she really were MaskDeMasque.
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Well, IF I hadn't accidentally caught spoilers reading an FAQ, mostly my thought process would have been:

a) There's no way in heck it could be this guy ---> :yuusaku:

b) If it was Luke, wouldn't that be kinda obvious? Like a Lupin/Holmes reference...plus, I mean despite all of PW's reality warpiness, his nose behind that mask? HOW?!

c) I was actually suspecting her ---> :mareka: The whole time, since to me, her need for excitement, money etc. was actually pretty good motivation.

Plus I was comparing sprite-heads and MaskXDeMasque's lower mouth graphic is identical to hers.

I'm going to replay that case again and see what happens if I DID say I suspected Mareka as MaskXDeMask...prolly nothing much except Yuusaku making a fit T___T

On the other hand, I considered if Yuusaku really was MaskXDeMasque, he'd do a Matt Engarde 180-psycho-juju thing.

I also thought it was Dessie/Mareka to be honest. Every time she said "I can guaruntee that he's innocent" I was like "yeah no shit he's innocent, its probably you, you b****!"


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I was guilty of thinking that too xD. Especially after seeing what kind of evil incarnation Dahlia could turn into, I was prepared for Dessie to show her evil side at some point during the trial. I'm glad to say I was wrong though.. that would've been way too cliche.. and repetitive. :edgy:
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I was guilty of thinking that too xD. Especially after seeing what kind of evil incarnation Dahlia could turn into, I was prepared for Dessie to show her evil side at some point during the trial. I'm glad to say I was wrong though.. that would've been way too cliche.. and repetitive. :edgy:


Not so much evil, more like her 'wild-er' side XD I'd hate it for Ron if Des turned out like Matt or Dahlia :payne:
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I ruled her out pretty quick, since if she was Mask*DeMasque she would've had her own theme song rather than recycling the Lotta Hart/April May theme from AA1.
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