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Luke really killed in self-defence, and he's more of a joke character if you ask me.
No, Luke killed because he didn't want to be exposed as a thief and a blackmailer. Premeditated murder is not self defense.[/quote]

Each time I read that, I wonder how no one has noticed how alike Engarde and Atmey are. Both have a great initial "image" (what they are percieved as), both are famous (I'll say that Atmey is, despite Gumshoe's claim and the Judge's oblivious...ness), both killed in order to keep a secret hidden.........

And of course, both have something over their right eye... what??? :matt: :aiga:


Also, whoever the worst villain is, it ain't Acro, that's undeniable.
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I've only read the first page and some of the fourth, but you guys really aren't answering the topic question at all. The topic title is Completely Evil characters. Some of those mentioned, such as De Killer, are certainly evil, but do have some form of decency to them. At least according to the way it was worded, the point of the topic should be to discuss which characters are so far gone that they can be considered completely evil.
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:wendy: :youngpayne:

These two are the most evil characters in the game.

Although, a PaynexOldbag pairing would be hilarious, to say the least...
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Also, whoever the worst villain is, it ain't Acro, that's undeniable.


Depends what you mean by worse. If you mean 'Evil', that he is not if you mean 'Boring villian with a cliche motive of a relative getting killed and is an idiot' Then yes, I'd consider that being the worst villian.

I'll do GS4 in spoiler tags anyway, you don't have to read them but if you played GS4 (like myself) or read spoilers, you might agree with me.

Redd: Do I have to say anything? He was an ass, and an evil ass at that.

Gant: I can never feel sorry for Gant after everything he has done, he's a monster.

Matt: YOU JERK! YOU AND JUAN ARE THE REASON CELESTE HUNG HERSELF AND ADRIAN TRIED TO KILL HERSELF!

Dahlia: Insufferable, I swear. If she was real I would cut her head off for being the annoying little bitch she was. Terry was such a good charecter and was POISONED BY THAT MONSTER BY THE NAME OF DAHLIA!!!!!

Spoiler: GS4 spoilers
Kristoph: I found him more insufferable than Dahila. I don't know, he just has Eerie quality to him that makes him just evil (like HE KILLED TWO FREAKIN PEOPLE).

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I couldn't stand Terry, with all his obnoxious sprites, dialogue, and "teen angel" garbage. I wanted to give Dahlia a medal for removing him from the game.
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Takita wrote:
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Also, whoever the worst villain is, it ain't Acro, that's undeniable.


Depends what you mean by worse. If you mean 'Evil', that he is not if you mean 'Boring villian with a cliche motive of a relative getting killed and is an idiot' Then yes, I'd consider that being the worst villian.



Spoiler: GS4 spoilers
Kristoph: I found him more insufferable than Dahila. I don't know, he just has Eerie quality to him that makes him just evil.


Rotflol. You, Sir, made me laugh. :D

I think, personally that Engarde was the most sinister villian...but I've heard many-a-thing about Dahlia...
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Takita wrote:
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Kristoph: I found him more insufferable than Dahila. I don't know, he just has Eerie quality to him that makes him just evil (like HE KILLED TWO FREAKIN PEOPLE).

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But he's squishier than she is :uramidn: And I'd rather pull his hair than Dahlia's. Pull Dahlia's and...I imagine she'd add another victim to her list o.o

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I couldn't stand Terry, with all his obnoxious sprites, dialogue, and "teen angel" garbage. I wanted to give Dahlia a medal for removing him from the game.
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I dont see how you are complaining about his obnoxious sprites...compared to some other witnesses, cough Jean cough Furio cough Atmey, ...cough, and his dialogue, which is yet again not all that out of the ordinary, and his...well, okay, the "teen angel" thing is a bit odd, but that is just the effect that Dahlia has on people.

Anyway, the moral of the story is that Dahlia should be given a medal for being the coolest villain ever but that Terry was a really tragic character who deserves respect. RESPECT, YOU HEAR??!!
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The difference between Furio and Luke and Terry is that the former are comedic and amusing in their eccentricity, Terry is just grating, and literally sucks away the little sympathy I have for him each time he appears.

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the "teen angel" thing is really creepy, but that is just the effect that Dahlia has on pedophilic morons.


Fixed that for you.

Sorry, I just can't give Terry respect, since there's nothing admirable about his character; he just leaves a disgusting aftertaste in my mind.
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I really enjoyed 3-4, and Terry's death made me shake up quite a bit [Someone spoiled it for me just before it happened, so instead of being incredibly touching, I was quite stressed from the minute he took the stand, waiting... just waiting for it to happen. It was like some kind of terrible horror flick], but... yeah, the Teen Angel thing was really, really creepy.

Like... if you weren't weirded out by that, there's something wrong with you.
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dahlia hawthorne, hands down and under.
Because
1. She has the ability to burn butterflies
2. She's utterly twisted
3. She's my favourite character in the whole game!

But yes, i'd be horribly terrified of her if she actually existed on earth.
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I kind've meant "Worse" in a few ways, but he's more like the worst EXAMPLE of a "villain", compared to the rest of them in the series.
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I personally do not see Shelley as evil. Not in one bit. Is he a good person? Not really, other than keeping to his word, and making sure he gets the blame for the murder he commits, hes still as guilty as any other killer.

However, Dahlia, Matt, Gant, Karma, and Morgan are evil without a doubt.

Dahlia. I don't have to explain this. She's the purest evil there is. (The only thing there is about this cruel and evil bitch that evens her out is her twin Iris, who's personality and character qualities more than make up for how evil her sister is. The way I see the two of them is like yin and yang.)

Gant. Murdered 2 people for the sake of being able to blackmail his partner, and control the police and prosecuters office. And then later on tried to get rid of everything that could get in his way by either firing or murdering people.

Karma. Never lost a case through unfair and illegal methods. Forging evidence to convict someone who might have been innocent is terribly evil. And then to top it all off he murders Edgeworth's father and then to add insult to injury, he raises Edgeworth and influences him and his own daughter to be like characteristic clones of him: ruthless.

Matt. This guy has very little reason to do what he did. And to top it all off, he even hires shelly, and then has the plan of blackmailing him to control the worlds best assasin. Imagine what other damage matt could have done with this kind of power. He Ruined the lives of everyone around him to top it off.

Morgan. simply a spiteful bitch with bloodshed and revenge on her mind. Its amazing how different Pearl is from her. Something so innocent related to something so power hungry, greedy, and evil.
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Morgan. simply a spiteful bitch with bloodshed and revenge on her mind. Its amazing how different Pearl is from her. Something so innocent related to something so power hungry, greedy, and evil.


Who knows how Pearls will turn out?

Actually, in a fan case I wrote, :pearl: is the killer =D

But on topic, I would like to bring up :redd: , if no one has mentioned him. He's the worst kind of evil there is, up there with Damon and Manfred.
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Takita wrote:
Can I also put in GS4 ones, only- in spoilers?


I think anyone who's played/spoiled themselves on 4 will know exactly who you're talking about. :P
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I don't think there are really many "evil" characters.

-Manny comes from a family of perfection; it was probably pounded into his head by his father ever since he was little.
-Engarde acted less "evil" and more like a spoiled little kid who thinks he deserves everything...which make sense, considering he's a celebrity.
-Morgan Fey only really did what she did for Pearl. Sort of the extreme version of a soccer mom.
-Dahlia was only "evil" because she just wanted to start her life over. And that's her father's fault, for being a complete jerk. If you think about it, she only ever killed so that she could protect her new life.

But if I had to pick one character who was really evil...definitely Furio. Hell, just look at the explanation of his company's insane motto, "Compromise the customer to win". His entire life is based around trying to make himself rich by exploiting and threatening others...and then, as if that wasn't enough, he completely used poor Viola. Just a plain all-around jerk. He didn't have an excuse like Dahlia, or an end to justify the means like Gant. He was just a jerk. :uramidn:

And yeah, THAT character in GS4 is the exact same way, and I consider them pure evil too. :grey:
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Trilroy wrote:
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I don't think there are really many "evil" characters.

-Manny comes from a family of perfection; it was probably pounded into his head by his father ever since he was little.
-Engarde acted less "evil" and more like a spoiled little kid who thinks he deserves everything...which make sense, considering he's a celebrity.
-Morgan Fey only really did what she did for Pearl. Sort of the extreme version of a soccer mom.
-Dahlia was only "evil" because she just wanted to start her life over. And that's her father's fault, for being a complete jerk. If you think about it, she only ever killed so that she could protect her new life.

But if I had to pick one character who was really evil...definitely Furio. Hell, just look at the explanation of his company's insane motto, "Compromise the customer to win". His entire life is based around trying to make himself rich by exploiting and threatening others...and then, as if that wasn't enough, he completely used poor Viola. Just a plain all-around jerk. He didn't have an excuse like Dahlia, or an end to justify the means like Gant. He was just a jerk. :uramidn:

And yeah, THAT character in GS4 is the exact same way, and I consider them pure evil too. :grey:


You're being too nice too all the main villains....everyone has a reason for everything. Perfectionism should be controlled. Celebrities shouldn't think they are gods. Morgan was thinking about glory, not her daughter. A new life isn't justification to murder anyone who comes close to your secret.

Just because the villains in PW have more motivation for their actions rather than "Haha Im evil im gonna do evil things" (like in many ...anything. Almost all of stories in forms of entertainment have archaic villains.) doesn't mean they shouldn't count as evil.
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Just because the villains in PW have more motivation for their actions rather than "Haha Im evil im gonna do evil things" (like in many ...anything. Almost all of stories in forms of entertainment have archaic villains.) doesn't mean they shouldn't count as evil.


Yes, but they are reasonable, if not always persuasive, reasons for not considering such characters "completely" evil. Giving them motivations and excuses doesn't suddenly make them bystanders to their own decisions, and many of their deeds are unquestionably evil, but aren't (for the most part) born out of pure malice, but are generated in "human" ways.
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I disagree. If I kill someone then frame it on their son years later, while simultaneously raising him to be the very thing my victim hated, all for some kind of symbolic form of revenge, then I would be Evil. Absolutely evil. The most terrible evil kind of person imaginable.
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I disagree. If I kill someone then frame it on their son years later, while simultaneously raising him to be the very thing my victim hated, all for some kind of symbolic form of revenge, then I would be Evil. Absolutely evil. The most terrible evil kind of person imaginable.


The thing is, if Phoenix hadn't completely trounced Franziska and taught her a lesson, she probably would have wound up the exact same way after long. The only truly "evil" von Karma, IMO, would be the one who first decided he was going to be an insane perfectionist lawyer without a moral in the world. :karma-scream:
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Dahlia and Morgan make me sick.
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