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Holy Hell wrote:
When the hell did Killer7 ever get shunned? It was universally praised by critics, and the worst it ever got was "it's not much of a game, only using the medium as a platform for its story". Even the critics that disliked it said it did what it did fine and its target audience, who knows who they are, will like it.
Universally praised? Gamepro gave it a 1/5, and both Gamespy and EGM gave it a 5/10. Those who didn't trash it mostly gave it a lukewarm reception, with a few notable exceptions like IGN.
Killer 7, deservedly so, has gotten a lot of praise from people that have played it. But the majority of critics never really warmed up to it at all. I think it's a textbook example of a shunned game.
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Mantorok wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
When the hell did Killer7 ever get shunned? It was universally praised by critics, and the worst it ever got was "it's not much of a game, only using the medium as a platform for its story". Even the critics that disliked it said it did what it did fine and its target audience, who knows who they are, will like it.
Universally praised? Gamepro gave it a 1/5, and both Gamespy and EGM gave it a 5/10. Those who didn't trash it mostly gave it a lukewarm reception, with a few notable exceptions like IGN.
Killer 7, deservedly so, has gotten a lot of praise from people that have played it. But the majority of critics never really warmed up to it at all. I think it's a textbook example of a shunned game.
My well-toned, delicious ass it's a shunned game. I was going to edit my post to get rid of "universally" in the praised part, but that would've left a nasty mark under my signature saying I had edited the thing, so I did not.
Here's a list of the major sites and whatnot, and what they gave it:
* IGN: 8.1/10 (GCN), 7.9/10 (PS2)
* GamePro: 1.5/5 (PS2)
* GameSpot: 8.3/10 (GCN) 8/10 (PS2)
* GameSpy: 2.5/5 (GCN) 2/5 (PS2)
* Game Informer: 7.5 and 7.75
* Nintendo Power: 8.5/10 (GCN)
* X-Play: 3/5
GamePro and GameSpy were the only ones who flat out disliked it (and oddly enough, are also two places nobody actually cares about and are dipshits), with everybody else giving it more than a lukewarm reception, with the only general complaint being "gameplay is kind of meh", which it is. Even taking that into account, Killer7 was never shunned to begin with. A textbook example? Fuck you. Unlimited Saga is a game that everybody except zu hates, and zu has weird taste at times-- that's a textbook example. The reviewers hated it, and the gaming community world-wide more or less disliked it, with only the Japanese RPG crowd thinking of it as slightly decent (from what I recall). Killer7, on the other hand, is hugely popular for an "unknown" game and tons of people love it to death.
And here's a list of awards it's won, just to throw this in as well.
* GameSpot's Best and Worst of 2005
Won
+ Best New Character [1]
+ Most Innovative Game [2]
Runner-up
+ Best Story [3]
+ Best GameCube Game [4]
+ Most Outrageous Game [5]
Dubious Honors Nominations
+ Most Gratuitous Use of F------ Swearing [6]
* IGN's The Best of 2005- GameCube awards
Won
+ Best Adventure Game [7]
+ Best Story [8]
+ Best Game No One Played [9]
Runner-up
+ Game of the Year [10]
+ Most Innovative Design [11]
+ Best Artistic Design [12]
* Fourth place in IGN's Top 10 Tuesdays: Underrated and Underappreciated Games [13]
* Nintendo Power Awards 2005 [14]
Won
+ Best New Character
Nominated
+ Best Sound/Voice acting
+ Best Graphics
+ Best Adventure Game
+ Best New Concept
+ Best Story/Writing
+ Best Cut-scenes
+ Best "Holy Crap" moments
In 2007, Killer7 was named 20th best GameCube game of all time in IGN's feature reflecting on the GameCube's long lifespan.
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About the awards: Yeah, I pointed out that IGN was a publication that "got it." So was NP and Gamespot. But, that's 3 sites/mags out of an entire enthusiast-oriented industry; hardly a barometer for widespread popularity or acclaim.
I guess the way I interpreted a "shunned game" is different than how you have. In that case, I'll submit Nintendo's connectivity/games that used it. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other idea last generation that got trashed so heavily and unanimously in the press and did poorly. But Pac-Man Vs. was pretty awesome, so take that as you will I suppose. But you're probably just going to cite Four Swords Adventures and Crystal Chronicles and call me a hack.
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It wasn't just certain elements of the press that disliked it though. I've run into a lot of users on other forums who've played it that either disliked it or were indifferent to it. Yes, there are people that "got it" and those of us who did are very passionate and vocal about the game, and I think that's going to skew the the perceptions of the game in terms of, overall, being shunned or not.
About the awards: Yeah, I pointed out that IGN was a publication that "got it." So was NP and Gamespot. But, that's 3 sites/mags out of an entire enthusiast-oriented industry; hardly a barometer for widespread popularity or acclaim.
I guess the way I interpreted a "shunned game" is different than how you have. In that case, I'll submit Nintendo's connectivity/games that used it. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other idea last generation that got trashed so heavily and unanimously in the press and did poorly. But Pac-Man Vs. was pretty awesome, so take that as you will I suppose. But you're probably just going to cite Four Swords Adventures and Crystal Chronicles and call me a hack.
About the awards: Yeah, I pointed out that IGN was a publication that "got it." So was NP and Gamespot. But, that's 3 sites/mags out of an entire enthusiast-oriented industry; hardly a barometer for widespread popularity or acclaim.
I guess the way I interpreted a "shunned game" is different than how you have. In that case, I'll submit Nintendo's connectivity/games that used it. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other idea last generation that got trashed so heavily and unanimously in the press and did poorly. But Pac-Man Vs. was pretty awesome, so take that as you will I suppose. But you're probably just going to cite Four Swords Adventures and Crystal Chronicles and call me a hack.
Or... he could cite the game he already mentioned in his post, Unlimited SaGa...
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Mantorok wrote:
It wasn't just certain elements of the press that disliked it though. I've run into a lot of users on other forums who've played it that either disliked it or were indifferent to it. Yes, there are people that "got it" and those of us who did are very passionate and vocal about the game, and I think that's going to skew the the perceptions of the game in terms of, overall, being shunned or not.
About the awards: Yeah, I pointed out that IGN was a publication that "got it." So was NP and Gamespot. But, that's 3 sites/mags out of an entire enthusiast-oriented industry; hardly a barometer for widespread popularity or acclaim.
I guess the way I interpreted a "shunned game" is different than how you have. In that case, I'll submit Nintendo's connectivity/games that used it. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other idea last generation that got trashed so heavily and unanimously in the press and did poorly. But Pac-Man Vs. was pretty awesome, so take that as you will I suppose. But you're probably just going to cite Four Swords Adventures and Crystal Chronicles and call me a hack.
About the awards: Yeah, I pointed out that IGN was a publication that "got it." So was NP and Gamespot. But, that's 3 sites/mags out of an entire enthusiast-oriented industry; hardly a barometer for widespread popularity or acclaim.
I guess the way I interpreted a "shunned game" is different than how you have. In that case, I'll submit Nintendo's connectivity/games that used it. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any other idea last generation that got trashed so heavily and unanimously in the press and did poorly. But Pac-Man Vs. was pretty awesome, so take that as you will I suppose. But you're probably just going to cite Four Swords Adventures and Crystal Chronicles and call me a hack.
There is no different way to interpret shunned game. There's a huge fucking different between "I didn't like it" and "holy shit, this is beyond horrible, burn it on a stake and dance around its charred corpse in hopes of exorcising this horrid spirit and may god have mercy on the developer's souls", the latter of which is what a shunned game happens to be.
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Sam and Max barely gets any attention, I loved Sam and Max Season 1 but the only place I've known anyone who played it was a Sam and Max and a Monty Python board. Despite this, it appears it sold well enough to make more episodes of the Sam and Max games.
I bought the Season 1 box.
I don't regret it. It's good.
I have found another Sam and Max brother! I still think that Sam and Max are almost as brilliant as Phoenix Wright.
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Metal Gear Solid 2. "Oh noes, the Raidens and the Patriots ruin all MGS EVERYWHERE!!!" Please. I was no fan of Raiden, but you have to admit that his presence made Snake look a hell of a lot cooler. As for the melodrama and the crap with Jack and Rose, that's all part of the point if you're actually paying attention. I think one other reason people give it a lot of shit is that it was "unrealistic", unlike MGS1, which had a powerful psychic who could read your memory card and shoot energy balls at you, a shaman who carried around a machine gun built for a tank, a shapeshifter, a sniper who could stay completely still for days on end, and a fucking Cyborg Ninja. And of course, this is to say nothing of Snake's nearly unlimited storage space. They're also forgetting one very important thing: All this shit is awesome.
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike. True, it's pretty big among fighting game enthusiasts, but that's about it. Most other people don't seem to know there was an SF3. Then again, SF3 kind of demands a passion for the genre, because otherwise, you get your ass kicked.
Any KOF game. Okay, these are WAY more accessable to the average shmuck than SF3, so there's no excuse here. Well, save for the bosses. KOF bosses are a true bitch. Still, though, this series probably has the most diverse cast of characters of any fighter I've seen, and you've gotta love the 3-on-3 team battles.
Halo. Now, by no means do I think that this is shunned by the mainstream audience or anything, I just think it gets hated on a little too much by those who want to cast themselves away from the mainstream. Is it a particularly revolutionary FPS in any way? Hell no. Does that mean it isn't fun? Hell no. Bungie knows that they don't have to throw in a bunch of tacky innovations to make their game good. They know what the people want: To kill aliens and blow shit up, and they execute this well. I guess my opinion on Halo can be summed up thusly: It's not necessarily a good game, but it's a fun game. And really, that's all I need from an FPS.
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Starfox Adventures was a bit of a collect-o-tron, and it was in almost no way a Starfox game at all, but the staff's different abilities worked well. Even though Tricky is horrid.
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It also had some of the best music I've ever heard. Yoko Shinomura's finest.
And I agree with the people who brought up Final Fantasy X-2. I very much enjoyed X-2. I think people just weren't willing to give it a chance. It surprised me actually: I didn't expect the plot it had.
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Phoenix Wright. Yes! P-H-O-E-N-I-X W-R-I-G-H-T. The same as above. Everyone thinks "oh a lawyer game? That has to be no fun since it's all law-this and "Objection"-that" I just wish they would give the game a chance first before they permantly burn a bad rating into their mind.
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Don't get me wrong, I love both of them to death (heh), and they're viewed as great games by most official game reviews, but the average gamer (around here, at any rate) usually thinks it's a stupid, boring idea. D8
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Seraphie wrote:
The first two Trauma Center games come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love both of them to death (heh), and they're viewed as great games by most official game reviews, but the average gamer (around here, at any rate) usually thinks it's a stupid, boring idea. D8
Don't get me wrong, I love both of them to death (heh), and they're viewed as great games by most official game reviews, but the average gamer (around here, at any rate) usually thinks it's a stupid, boring idea. D8
Trauma Center kind of sucks though.
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I mean the presentation still kinda creeps me out(a fighting game featuring nothing but 10-14 year old girls and everything is pink and cute..and it's marketed towards male fighting game players), but it's still a fighting game and I didn't know jack about it, so I wanted to actually practice it some.
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King of Fighters XI and Fire Pro Returns.
Two of the best games in their genres (2-D fighters and wrestling, respectively)... and because they're 2-D, people are just saying shit about them.
Truly sad, really. And yes, KoFXI ain't the best 2-D fighter, but it is the best recent 2-D fighter, considering 3S was released in... 1999, IIRC.
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Pickens wrote:
Strider Hiryu. Even Capcom shuns the franchise itself. He hasn't gotten his own game in about 10 years. It's one of my favorite games of all time too. It's unlikely that you've played it if you weren't alive during that whole "Arcade" age of gaming, I wasn't, but I picked up a copy of of the Strider/Strider 2 PS1 pack and played it that way. Most people who have played it will agree that it has pretty awesome graphics and level design for the time, but Capcom doesn't feel like adding to the franchise for whatever reason, which I guess is remaking Resident Evil 1 numerous times is more profitable than making a new Strider. Oh well, It's still a great game and people should pick up the PS1 port or the Port on Capcom Classics 2 if they get the chance.
Well.... strider didn't make the same impact resident evil did. Strider was your typical arcade platformer, which were a dime a dozen back when it came out. Resident Evil along with Silent hill helped define a completely new genre of video games (yes I am aware the horror genre of games was present before that, but never to the extent that Resident evil and Silent hill created). They made such a large impact on the people who picked up the game, and like the Exorcist, scared the crap out of alot of people. Look at what capcom has been able to do with the resident evil franchise up to today: Its had 3 semi-successful movies (not entirely well received by everyone, but it made enough money to cover costs of production and then make a decent profit, as well as expose the Resident evil name even moreso. The movies if you think about it were not just for making profit but for advertising purposes as well), Resident evil 4 which won best game of the year two years in a row, many other entries into the series that did fairly well.
Infact looking at it now, Resident evil has been one of Capcom's larger franchises. Certainly has more game entries than the popular Devil may cry, and is begininning to rival street fighter in the number of game (not including the various ports from arcade to various home consoles/handhelds.)
Strider has been overlooked because it simply didn't make as much of an impact as Resident evil did when Strider was released. Its that simple. It has nothing to do with strider being bad, because thats obviously not true, however it simply does not stand out as much because arcade style platformers were insanely common back when strider first came out. Resident evil only had one rival (and if you think about it, still has only one major rival in the survival horror genre) and that was Silent Hill.
But I will agree with you that Strider is pretty fun. Thats why I picked up a used copy of the double pack on ps1. (Although its weird... my disc labeled strider 2 has the strider 1 game on it, and my other disc labeled strider 1 on it has the strider 2 game on it...) Then again, alot of the stuff capcom makes is great (hell we wouldn't even be talking here if it weren't for them making Phoenix Wright/Gyakuten Saiban.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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I have found another Sam and Max brother! I still think that Sam and Max are almost as brilliant as Phoenix Wright.
Have you actually, you know, played Hit the Road? Phoenix Wright doesn't even compare.Re: Torment, it's almost universally praised by critics and gamers. That is not shunned. And rofl @ "everything else was well done" because clearly you never tried fighting anything. The only saving grace of Torment's use of the Infinity engine is that you can get through 9/10 of the game without fighting.
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I'm unsure how it compares to Phoenix Wright. But it's definetly not worse than it.
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I played it obsessively until the servers closed. The game was different from other online action games because there were so many aesthetical qualtities to the game that made it special and so fun. I also loved the very small fanbase surrounding the game (servers usually averaged around 700-800) people in which you would learn to know many players, their styles, tendancies, strengths, and weaknesses.
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Tinker wrote:
While not exactly shunned, I really liked Super Mario Sunshine and Starfox Adventures. It helps that I just got my first game console with my own money and that every game I played was together with my brother and mom helping, but anyway. Super Mario Sunshine seems bashed everywhere for... well, not being the Super Mario 64 is was supposed to be, I guess. However, it introduced a lot of new characters and had some interesting gameplay - and wasn't overall that bad.
Starfox Adventures was a bit of a collect-o-tron, and it was in almost no way a Starfox game at all, but the staff's different abilities worked well. Even though Tricky is horrid.
Starfox Adventures was a bit of a collect-o-tron, and it was in almost no way a Starfox game at all, but the staff's different abilities worked well. Even though Tricky is horrid.
I still don't understand why people hated Sunshine so much, the only reason I've be able to come up with is that Mario doesn't feel like the main character as such, none of his abilities are really put to use, he's basically wholly dependent on FLUDD, but hey, that doesn't matter. Because FLUDD had better mechanics than any of Mario's power-ups.
The visuals were top notch, the audio was fine, the bosses were great, and they managed to create so much level variety within what would seem to be quite a restrictive setting.
It was much better than SM64.
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not exactly any great shakes to accomplish
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I have found another Sam and Max brother! I still think that Sam and Max are almost as brilliant as Phoenix Wright.
Have you actually, you know, played Hit the Road? Phoenix Wright doesn't even compare.Played it. Yes, it was good. Except it was just like every other adventure game of that era. You were either a fan, or you hated it.
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zuddharina wrote:
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It was much better than SM64.
not exactly any great shakes to accomplishAnd yet, so, so many terrible 3D Platformers tried too surpass it.
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Koolkevk wrote:
Elite Beat Agents "Motivation through dance? LAME!" No one ever gives this game a chance. The story dosn't make the most sense but it's still an awsome rythme game.
Phoenix Wright. Yes! P-H-O-E-N-I-X W-R-I-G-H-T. The same as above. Everyone thinks "oh a lawyer game? That has to be no fun since it's all law-this and "Objection"-that" I just wish they would give the game a chance first before they permantly burn a bad rating into their mind.
Phoenix Wright. Yes! P-H-O-E-N-I-X W-R-I-G-H-T. The same as above. Everyone thinks "oh a lawyer game? That has to be no fun since it's all law-this and "Objection"-that" I just wish they would give the game a chance first before they permantly burn a bad rating into their mind.
EBA is awesome. So is Ouendan 1 and 2.
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I have found another Sam and Max brother! I still think that Sam and Max are almost as brilliant as Phoenix Wright.
Have you actually, you know, played Hit the Road? Phoenix Wright doesn't even compare.Re: Torment, it's almost universally praised by critics and gamers. That is not shunned. And rofl @ "everything else was well done" because clearly you never tried fighting anything. The only saving grace of Torment's use of the Infinity engine is that you can get through 9/10 of the game without fighting.
Sadly, I haven't gotten Hit the Road. Seriously, I've never seen it in a store in my whole life.
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I also found my perfect candidate for this topic; Jaw Unleashed... it's a glitchy puddle of mediocrity with some nasty camera issues, but because it featured a colossal squid as one of the bosses... I adored it.
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Then you haven't played Sam & Max. :)
I also found my perfect candidate for this topic; Jaw Unleashed... it's a glitchy puddle of mediocrity with some nasty camera issues, but because it featured a colossal squid as one of the bosses... I adored it.
I also found my perfect candidate for this topic; Jaw Unleashed... it's a glitchy puddle of mediocrity with some nasty camera issues, but because it featured a colossal squid as one of the bosses... I adored it.
I haven't play Hit the Road. I have played Season 1, which were episodic games by Telltale.
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While I wouldn't exactly say they're shunned per se (it gets a lot of flack for being a very poor rip off of GTA), but the two "The Getaway" titles for the PS2 are some of my favorite games on the system.
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest for the SNES.
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Kenjimurasame wrote:
zuddharina wrote:
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not exactly any great shakes to accomplishAnd yet, so, so many terrible 3D Platformers tried too surpass it.
Making a platformer not suck is hard work.
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Obviously, Road Rage isn't anything groundbreaking, but as far as licensed games go it was pretty faithful to the series, and the gameplay felt solid enough to me. And there was plenty of stuff for fans to see while driving around, and the banter between characters was pretty funny too.
Connectivity in general last generation was pretty much shat on, and to be fair I trashed it too. But Pac Man Vs. was an awesome party game, and I just can't picture it being as effective online.
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Why do you people not love this game?
its freakin awesome.
Thank god for Zidane being playable in Final Fantasy Dissidia.
and thank god for the new design.
i absolutely love ff9. one of my first rpgs and i love it to death. played it like 4 times already. Zidane is really the FF hero with the most character. i love him to bits. he has ATTITUDE man.
the gameplay really i loved it. the chocobo sidequest was fun, and all the sidequests in general were fun really. the story was pretty meh, but the ending was great. i loved it when zidane got all mopey when dagger became queen. heck, he initially didnt even want to fall in love with her anyway. and dagger's attitude towards zidane was nice. she wasnt much of a character, but i liked the way she acted.
the battles.. i dunno. i liked em. i didnt think levelling was hard at all. it was easy. i actually had a blast learning every skill possible. lolz.
one thing i hated though. the character design.
dammit. everyone (except maybe dagger or beatrix) was freakin ugly. zidane included. thank god for his new dissidia design, really, thank god.
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other underrated games i love :
Star Ocean : The Second Story (PSX) - likeable characters. fun battles. terrible voiceovers. great story. and the item creation and private action systems rock.
Tales of Eternia / Tales of Destiny 2 (PSX) - nobody seems to remember this. the gameplay beats phantasia and abyss to me. craymels rock. chaotic battles rock. and so does Keele.
Shadow Hearts ONE - lousy fmv's. funnest dark rpg game i ever played.
Grandia ONE - gameplay and characters were awwwwwesome. oh wait, i hated sue. justin and feena is <3 and feena is kickass. the battles. oh god the battles were fun. still, not as fun as grandia 3, but that game sucks except for its battles.
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