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Mysticgamer wrote:
Phoenix and Maya were attacked and knocked out with a taser, which is incredibly loud, but for some reason nobody heard anything and they were one the floor for maybe a hour or longer undisturbed.
An "epic" discovery!Mysticgamer wrote:
Later in 2-1, Phoenix is bashed on the head with a fire extinguisher and the two guards in the defense lobby didn't see it.
Yeah I always wondered about that one. =/
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and then in 2-4 Maya goes to the front desk and is kidnapped by Shelly de Killer, in a crowed hotel, all the while fully conscious and nobody saw anything.
Kidnappers......Srs Bsns...
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Mysticgamer wrote:
In 3-2 the security company hired Larry and Oldbag nuff said.
I think this is the problem. The incredibly incompetent security company has a monopoly over providing guard services for the entire PW world.
Spoiler: 3-2
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Lauren Order wrote:
Spoiler: 3-3
You mean 3-2, but whatever
Spoiler: 3-2
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Takita wrote:
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Spoiler: 3-3
Hey, at least he did something otherwise Dessy would have been a murder victim.
You mean 3-2, but whatever
Spoiler: 3-2
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Lauren Order wrote:
Mysticgamer wrote:
In 3-2 the security company hired Larry and Oldbag nuff said.
I think this is the problem. The incredibly incompetent security company has a monopoly over providing guard services for the entire PW world.
Spoiler: 3-2
Spoiler: 1-3,2-4,3-2,3-3
Ron and Gumshoe are the only recorded cases of anyone saving or protecting anyone ever (valiantly).
Which is really sad.
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Mysticgamer wrote:
Phoenix and Maya were attacked and knocked out with a taser, which is incredibly loud, but for some reason nobody heard anything and they were one the floor for maybe a hour or longer undisturbed.
Remember that it's VON KARMA doing the tazering. And I think the guards were likely instructed that WHATEVER VON KARMA DOES IT'S PERFECTLY FINE AND/OR NEVER HAPPENED. Because it's Von Karma.
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The room in 1-5 had solved cases in it and it had security to rival the pentagon and there was still a murder and assault and battery in there.
Both of the people who got into that room had the ability to get past that security, it was just a matter of waiting until no one else was around...
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Later in 2-1, Phoenix is bashed on the head with a fire extinguisher and the two guards in the defense lobby didn't see it.
I have reason two believe those two guards are actually statues. Because they don't do ANYTHING and no one ever pays any attention to them. Yeah, that's gonna be my explanation....
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and then in 2-4 Maya goes to the front desk and is kidnapped by Shelly de Killer, in a crowed hotel, all the while fully conscious and nobody saw anything.
Shelly De Killer is very good at what he does. *nodnod*
Mysticgamer wrote:
In 3-2 the security company hired Larry and Oldbag nuff said.
Well, they hired Larry because they're cheap. And I think Oldbag makes a fine security guard. I mean, she's frightening enough.
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3-4 Terry was carry a glass bottle with poison in it and nobody noticed it.
He was carrying a necklace. It's different. And a whole lot less suspicious than a bottle of poison.
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He was carrying a necklace. It's different. And a whole lot less suspicious than a bottle of poison.
I still think that the court is very stupid for not noticing what was going on. In fact, I imagine it to be something like this:
Remember Terry, my life is in your—OH NO WHATS THAT?! *points*
GASP! *entire courtroom turns to look, Dahlia exaggeratedly shakes the poison into coffee* Tee hee, never mind! Just silly old me being silly old me! Have fun cross-examining, everyone!
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Oldbag is a senile, old woman with failing eyesight and hearing, whilst Larry sucks at everything he turns his hands to.
As for the court baliffs, they follow the 'Mushroom Kingdom Guards handbook' method of guarding very strictly.
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Remember Terry, my life is in your—OH NO WHATS THAT?! *points* GASP! *entire courtroom turns to look, Dahlia exaggeratedly shakes the poison into coffee* Tee hee, never mind! Just silly old me being silly old me! Have fun cross-examining, everyone!Spoiler: 3-4
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Gerkuman wrote:
Spoiler: 3-4
There is a strange problem with this logic. While an addict,
really doesn't look like the kind of guy that would steal another man's drink....Yeah think of how that would go down:
*dies* ......You gonna finish that?..............
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There's also one interesting detail with your theory. The date of Mia's court debut when she defended Terry Fawles was on a Feb.16 measured 6 years before Misty's murder. Ergo, That February was at least half a year away from Diego's poisoning. The only possible way Terry could have poisoned Diego is if that particular mug was saved for half a year and wasn't washed then used. Justifying
being a dirty birdy doesn't quite cut it when you consider his cleaning behavior in 3-5. Sure the trial for Phoenix Wright was Apr.11 but the date of Diego's poisoning was long before that or else Mia couldn't have tied the two cases together and Phoenix would most likely be rotting in prison. It was an Aug.27 when was poisoned and it could only be an August that occurred between those two particular trials since they were only a year apart. Since there is no August between February and April, it had to be split across two marked years. 
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Theres no problem at all with my logic, only yours XD
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Mysticgamer wrote:
Later in 2-1, Phoenix is bashed on the head with a fire extinguisher and the two guards in the defense lobby didn't see it.
"HEY! What are you doing?!"
"Oh, I was just... putting out a fire! This lawyer's hair gel is highly flammable." "...kk."
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Gerkuman wrote:
there were indeed TWO poisoning incidents.
Precisely. I have disproven Terry's capability of poisoning Diego Armando. Phoenix style.
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This is where a huge problem exists. I'm certain there were at least two vials of poison. One was intended for Terry and the other intended for Dahlia. The promise was only between Dahlia and Terry anyhow. While there was a possibility that Phoenix could have shared the same fate as Terry, there's also the problem that it could have happened to others if Phoenix had died from the poisoning. Dahlia is about as vicious as a succubus with the appeal of Lilith. She kills women herself while she uses her charm to force men to poison themselves to death. When she made an exception and killed Doug, that's what made her bite the dust. Good to see she went back to her old killing style in 3-5.
There's still one thing bothering me. Terry asked for water because he couldn't talk and wound up with coffee. The poison in the bottle is a liquid. I find it pretty clear he ate the bottle. If he poisoned his coffee, why would his mouth suddenly bleed like that?
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It's unclear how she poisoned Diego but it seems as though it did involve the poison entering his coffee mug. That much is clear. How she snuck the poison without him notcing is a mystery within itself. She's truly one sick bitch.
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Theres no problem at all with my logic, only yours XD
The court frowns upon your shenanigans!
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:meekins: "HEY! What are you doing?!"
"Oh, I was just... putting out a fire! This lawyer's hair gel is highly flammable."
"...kk."
"Oh, I was just... putting out a fire! This lawyer's hair gel is highly flammable." "...kk."I came in here to follow suit with an improbability. I stand defeated.
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Gerkuman wrote:
(How did this post when I pressed the stop button? Oh well. My post is below)
Teh lawl button borked...
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I NEVER SAID HE POISONED DIEGO!
Well technically she didn't. She didn't force the poison into Diego but somehow snuck it into the coffee. Brilliant.
Gerkuman wrote:
Where on earth did I say that? I was responding to the guy who said Dahlia did it to Terry! XD
(Nonchalant repartee...)
See above note.
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Gerkuman wrote:
He put it there
O RLY?
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he even admitted it as he was dying!
I have no idea why, but couldn't he have just been respectful at that moment? Also, coffee + crunching a bottle of poison = poisoned coffee? Too much is left unsaid.
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What more proof do you need? :D
Security footage, pardner...
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Beh, forget this post. I didn't realise what the guy had really meant. :(
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Thank you for the coffee, Mr. Armando.Those last words are quite confusing to say the least.
Also, there's something that's been bugging me for the past few days or so. Is it just my copy or does the judge seriously like ROAR? o_O
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I personally think he thanked Diego for the coffee to be polite, not many people have been kind to the poor lug. But there are multiple interpretations of that. And I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful, I didn't know what you were confused about. :)
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Gerkuman wrote:
OH. I see what you mean now. It was the poison that made him cough up blood. Yes, it's a pretty nasty image isn't it. >.<
Yes he coughed up blood but it wasn't necessarily the poison itself that did it.
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He poured the poison into his own coffee to mask the taste and to stop the cops from catching onto him. Anyone drinking something from a necklace would be suspicious.
There is still a problem. It would look suspicious if he were mixing anything in his coffee. Outside of this explanation there's something you should probably look at more closely.
is stereotyped for exactly what he's doing in that smiley. If he's not crying like a big baby he's chewing on that stupid chainball. Take a look at the last few frames of him before he coughs up blood. Why is he covering his mouth and acting weird? It seems obvious that he popped the bottle into his mouth so fast that no one even noticed. Any character in this series that doesn't seem very bright also has this weird pattern. Present the magatama to gumshoe and he'll think it's a coughdrop. 
Look at Phoenix in the first case when he says he swallowed the necklace. Not just the bottle but the whole necklace?! That's some Criss Angel stuff right there! o_OIt's possible that there's simply too much to look at when you try to determine exactly what Terry did. He may have been so lucky as to mix poison in his coffee when no one was looking and it's possible that he just popped the bottle in his mouth and crushed it between his teeth. I'm going to stick to the bottle-in-mouth theory. It makes the most sense to me.
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I personally think he thanked Diego for the coffee to be polite, not many people have been kind to the poor lug. But there are multiple interpretations of that.
It makes sense that he would tie up any loose ends before meeting his maker. There are very few people that lie when faced with that situation and Terry doesn't seem to be the kind to lie right in the middle of that huge confession of his.
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And I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful, I didn't know what you were confused about. :)
Me?!
I was having trouble trying to point out what you were confused about.My US...English.....doesn't.......Work, ya dig? o_O
Bleh now I feel bad.
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As you can see, the bench is not only curved, but has plenty of space for him to open the bottle, and pour the contents in! All he had to do is do it with the stand obscuring the Prosectutions, Defences, Judges and audience's view. What do you think?
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Terry gets the stupid necklace thing before meeting Valerie/Dahlia at the bridge.
Then in court, he believes he can't trust dahlia anymore or something, and as promised decides to poison himself. Thus his request for water. Diego gives him his coffee. Terry takes the coffee, and pours the contents into it and has his drink.
Then the next testimony starts. All the while, he's now beginning to cough a lot, with the poison beginning to take affect. Once it really settles in, he gives one massive cough, and the blood begins to appear.
Dahlia somehow manages to get the bottle back after that for some weird reason and eventually has refilled the bottle in time for Diego's poisioning. Diego and Dahlia meet in the cafeteria, and while being questioned Dahlia slips poison from the necklace into Diego's cup at some point when he wasn't paying attention. He gets poisoned, probably goes through all the same motions that Terry did, and falls unconcious (although somehow he manages to stay alive in a coma for a few years).
Dahlia then dumps the necklace off with Phoenix under the pretense of love at first sight.
6 months later at the trial, Phoenix grabs the necklace he had loaned to Mia for the trial, and runs off with it. Somehow he manages to chew up and swallow the entire thing without ripping his throat open. Thankfully for him, there either wasn't enough left to kill him, or it had lost it's potency in the 6 months between Diego's "death" and the trial.
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Gerkuman wrote:
I think it would have been pretty easy for her to snatch the pendant in the confusion when Terry had collapsed. She got close to a chemisty student called Doug Swallow and used her visits to the lab to steal the poison (Since poisons are actually often used in chemical reactions. Some lose their potancy after they react, you see)
I just went digging through the case summary again. It appears that Terry was in fact coughing during some portions of his last testimony. I don't know why I see this in the case summaries and not in the actual game. Something looks screwed up somewhere.
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Unpossible!!!
I'm still pretty convinced that Terry held on to that chainball for the majority of his testimony. This doesn't seem physically possible. Ah well. =/
As for the Doug Swallow thingy, there is definitely a contradiction if it holds true that Dahlia always used the exact same type of poison. The first instance of the poison had to have come from somewhere in order to kill Terry. The next instance was used to poison Diego. Now here's where there's a problem. You ready? Dahlia had to break in to the lab a second time in order to obtain the poison intended for Phoenix! There is no faster way to bring this story to a screeching halt. Either Doug wasn't around the college when Terry was killed or there's some part of the story that hasn't been mentioned. You can bet your boots that someone must have known about the first theft or no one would have been suspicious to begin with.
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It might be a co-incidence, but it looks more like a pattern.
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It often takes some time for ideas and thoughts to sink in.
Not when the whole world is watching. I know that from first hand experience.
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He'd probably thought that the poison was stolen by someone else since you're not really likely to suspect your pretty girlfriend. But if it happens twice...
Ah...That's exactly the problem.
You see the lab thefts for the batches intended to kill Diego and Phoenix are accounted for.
Now, where did the batch intended for Terry come from?
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The coughing can be explained fairly simply.
The guy was friggin poisioned.
I'm sure there's a few that would cause hemorrhaging.
As to how she ascertained the poison, there's plenty of things she could have bought off the shelf. Bleach, from bleach(dur); ammonia, from cleaners; arsenic, from rat poison; or nicotine, from pesticides. There's plenty of stuff to kill someone with in this world. Where she got the bottle back, she could simply claim ownership since they can't convict her of assisted suicide even if it was her necklace because he took his life on his own accord.
Second off, lets make sure we get why/how people dahlia was around fell to their demise by her actions.
First=Half-sister Valerie: Stab wound by Dahlia.
Second=Ex-boyfriend Terry: Poisoning(my theory says it caused hemorrhaging), self inflicted.
Third=Attorney Armando: Poisoning(Neurological in nature), deteriorating coma, slipped by Dahlia.
Fourth=Ex-boyfriend Doug: Electrocution, by Dahlia.
Fifth=Herself: Hanging, had it coming to her.
Sixth=Misty Fey: Might not be the one who did the deed, but it was her malice that led to Godot's plan coming to fruition.
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As for the Doug Swallow thingy, there is definitely a contradiction if it holds true that Dahlia always used the exact same type of poison. The first instance of the poison had to have come from somewhere in order to kill Terry. The next instance was used to poison Diego. Now here's where there's a problem. You ready? Dahlia had to break in to the lab a second time in order to obtain the poison intended for Phoenix! There is no faster way to bring this story to a screeching halt. Either Doug wasn't around the college when Terry was killed or there's some part of the story that hasn't been mentioned. You can bet your boots that someone must have known about the first theft or no one would have been suspicious to begin with.
Let's clear this up people.
First time from the pharmaceutical school: Diego.
Second time(same): Attempted for Phoenix.
I do have to say, either Daemon Force is thick as a post or a troll, and seeing his actions so far it might be the latter. Problem is I was never one for letting people be stupid, even on purpose.
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I do have to say, either Daemon Force is thick as a post or a troll, and seeing his actions so far it might be the latter. Problem is I was never one for letting people be stupid, even on purpose.
How nice of you >.> I'm sure we really apreciate that. [/sarcasm] He is not a troll, nor stupid. He just didn't know what happened, and made a good educated guess from the sprites. I hardly say that makes him 'thick as a post' :/
That's pretty much a flame.
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However... it ALSO has to be a poison that would kill them in pretty much no time at all. Next, you need to drink it down (that's why he asked for the coffee). Finally, it has to be, I ASSUME pretty transparent.
Although once again, none of these are officially confirmed, but it at least seems logical.
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It's easily explained:
Oldbag is a senile, old woman with failing eyesight and hearing, whilst Larry sucks at everything he turns his hands to.
As for the court baliffs, they follow the 'Mushroom Kingdom Guards handbook' method of guarding very strictly.
Oldbag is a senile, old woman with failing eyesight and hearing, whilst Larry sucks at everything he turns his hands to.
As for the court baliffs, they follow the 'Mushroom Kingdom Guards handbook' method of guarding very strictly.
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Gerkuman wrote:
Potassium Cyanide. Can be either a powder or liquid, it's clear and extremely quick to act. If Furio could get his mits on it, Dahlia could.
Ugh....Knowing the identity of the stuff would have saved me about half my posts...I need to go back through the whole thing.
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The coughing up of blood was probably for effect though, as no poisons do that.
Well it makes sense to me. Also, the encyclopedia must have run out of room since the final "cough" motion was present but none of the animations when
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And as for the poison being transparent, I don't think that would have to be the case, although it certainly would make hiding it's contents easier. We only ever see pictures of the dang thing when it's empty though, so who knows what it woulda looked like.
This is quite the problem, isn't it?
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