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I'm replaying Case 2-3 now, and Moe's bad jokes are a bit annoying, but Nick's dry reaction to them is somehow even funnier and makes me laugh :D
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After you search the cafeteria and find the juice bottle (this is after Moe says "There's Gotti be something interesting" Nick says "Looks like we gotta go back and meet with him" what are you supposed to do afterwards?
I dont think I have enough evidence to break all of Max's locks yet (I can break the first one by showing him the paper with his salary on it, but that's it..)
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Has Ben and Trilo shown up yet?

I believe the sequence of events is this:

Spoiler: Max's Psych-Locks
Salary > Broken bottle > Ben's Profile

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Hmm...Turnabout Big-Top...I found it an ok case. It was average, I found Turnabout Samurai much better.
I liked Max for some reason, maybe he reminds me a bit of myself (the flamboyant side, not the jerk side). Moe and Regina were ok (I loved Moe's animations for some reason). Trilo was also hysterical.

The villian...Acro was a different one. He doesn't crack and lose it completely (The only other one is from the first game). I found it touching when he was crying.

Overall, An average case, not the best but still fun. All PW cases are fun, you have to savour them since there's so little of them (I counted around 14 Total in GSI-III)
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Deltron wrote:
Has Ben and Trilo shown up yet?

I believe the sequence of events is this:

Spoiler: Max's Psych-Locks
Salary > Broken bottle > Ben's Profile


Thanks. I'll try that. I've seen Ben but not Trilo yet (haven't found him).
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I love 2-3. Love. It's one of my favorite cases. The characters are great and well written, some of the sprites are really wonderfully done, the backgrounds, I thought, were really excellently done, and I just happen to love anything that has to do with a circus/carnival (I guess I'm just weird like that; most people seem to be the opposite).

Granted, it was probably the most poorly done murder method. (i.e. o lol the cape flew off and caught on the bust BACKWARDS so you couldn't see the roses) that involved the most bullshit coincidences, and it had some tougher investigation (although I disagree with Croik's assertion that the circus was difficult to navigate) and courtroom phases - in particular some of Acro and Ben's testimonies - but I thought that, overall, it was an excellently done case, and the motive for Acro's desire to kill Regina was rather tragic; especially at the very end when he started to cry. . . I cried right along with him. Acro was, perhaps, the most understandable criminal, which I thought contributed to how great the case was.

Oh, and I always love cases with snow in them, so that helped me like the case even more. :godot:
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This is one of the only cases that are not canonical.
It doesn't even fit into the story line in the third game.
All the cases in game one turned canonical with the two sequels(three counting the extra case).
About 3 of the cases in JFA are canon, confimed by the third game. I'd call it a filler case just like the third case in the third game.
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Acro had so much pent up rage and anger, I'm still playing this case so I'll see how I feel at the end.
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Bleachlover wrote:
This is one of the only cases that are not canonical.
It doesn't even fit into the story line in the third game.
All the cases in game one turned canonical with the two sequels(three counting the extra case).
About 3 of the cases in JFA are canon, confimed by the third game. I'd call it a filler case just like the third case in the third game.

? I'm pretty sure the only non-original canon case is 1-5. Why wouldn't 2-3 be canon? It's in the original game, after all.
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2-3 wasn't my favourite by a long shot, but I don't hate it. I'll admit that Ben and Trilo bugged me, and that I found the way the script writers rendered Moe's laughing strange (who says it like "Aha! Aha! Aha!" anyway? o.O), but aside from that, it didn't bother me that much.
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It's in the orignial game, but I call it a filler for space. No one mentions it in the third game, and you don't see any side characters from that case outside of that case. It's just there for a challenge.
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As people stated, it was the annoyances in the case that really give it bad off.

I also just had this huge lack of caring for anyone in the case too. Which is odd since every single case I've played so far, I care about and I really want to know what happened.

With this one, I just wanted it OVER.

Moe, Ben and Regina didn't help. I didn't like their characters at all. Actually. I didn't like anyone. *sigh*

That's why I didn't like it. It was just a big annoyance.
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Umm... question to those who dislike/loathe 2-3, have you tried replaying the case? Or have you only played it once?

I ask this because when I played it for the first time, I admit I didn't like it so much. But after giving it another chance, I started to like it. Now I love it after replaying it countless times.
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I played it 4 times Ms. Punch!. I still did not like it at all.
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Spoiler:
Probably one of the most creative solutions (next to Of course the body flew over the bridge! Whooosh!, but it had me clueless for too long ... come on, bloody cape flippity flip flip just HAPPENS to land on a bust. It just doesn't seem as professional to me. But I'd replay it any day. Even in real life, not all scenarios have perfect logic, they're far from it.


I like Moe a lot though - he's got a serious nerve when needed, and his laugh is just outright hilarious, as are his jokes - in the sene of oh god is this awkward hahahaha. I love characters that are over the top.
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I really like the way Moe is written as a character. A couple of his jokes in court actually made me smile (sorry), especially the Fresh Prince parody, but it's ironic that he appears so happy trying to make people laugh, but he can't, is actually inwardly very unhappy/angry (like in the scene where he turns into a kid).
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I wanna know how Max flies!
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i really don't like or hate this case
it simple doesn't matter to me :phoenix:
it is one more case, and if i must do it to finish the game, let's start
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Yes Moe. But none of the other circus people appealed to me either. Besides Maya was quite annoying in this case.
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2-3 was certainly a good case, it's just overshadowed by 2-2 and 2-4.
The cast was imo pretty well made, especially Ben & Trilo.
Ben reminds me of my Latin teacher :ben: and Trilo has so many great lines.
And I wished Regina had a bigger role. I mean, she didn't have any Psyche-Locks and she didn't appear in the witness stand. Moe was pretty funny and he gave you important hints, only his laughter was a little bit irritating.
However, I never liked Acro for some reason...maybe it's his "break-down" or his late appearance :acro:
Don't get me wrong, his actions were reasonable, but after the first trial you have a handful of crazy characters and all of them are suspicious. And then this sympathic guy in a wheel-chair pops up from nowhere (I know that Moe mentioned him before, but still...)
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Croik wrote:
DoctorDiablo wrote:
Acro's desire to kill Regina seems entirely out of character for him. He knows that killing her won't bring his brother back and he knows there was nothing malicious about her actions. But he's still insistent enough to try killing her. Everything aside from his desire to kill Regina makes him out to be a level-headed guy. This doesn't make sense to me.


But can you really say it's "out of character" when Acro's desire to kill Regina makes up the basis for the case? The fact that he "seems" level-headed when you talk to him outside of trial isn't any different than any other time Phoenix addresses a criminal. In 1-4 Yanni seemed like a harmless old man until you pried the truth out of him. Acro seemed like a decent guy, but by the end we learned he was really emotionally unstable. He's not out of character - it just means the audience doesn't get to see his real character until the end.

2-3 may have one of the most excruciating investigation phases in the series, but in the end I still like the case itself. It features a lot of coincidences, but I don't mind those as much as the faulty logic supporting some of the events in T&T. And I think Acro is a unique and interesting character. Can you imagine how bitter and angry you would have to be, to kill someone because their existence was driving you crazy?

If navigating the circus wasn't such a pain, I'd probably play the case over a lot XD;;;



What about Gant?

Spoiler:
He seemed like a wierd but happy go lucky guy and then you find out he's totally diabolical.
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What about Gant?

Spoiler:
He seemed like a wierd but happy go lucky guy and then you find out he's totally diabolical.


Spoiler:
The tie is the source of his Evil Powarz, and made him Evil Gant!

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The music was a huge turn-off for me. I wanted to stab my ears out after about two minutes of that "wacky" tune that played every time you talked to Moe.
Spoiler:
Same applies when you talk to Oldbag in 2-4, but I dealt with turning my volume down because it's freaking case 2-4.


Plus, as a lot of people already said, I didn't find myself caring about the characters nearly as much as in the other cases.
Spoiler:
And what's with the depressing ending again? We just had one of those in 2-2.

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Apart from his desire to kill Regina, Acro seemed an OK, calm guy to me. When you speak to him, he recognises Regina is sheltered and innocent, he even says "Regina had no reason to want to hurt my little brother" and "maybe I went a bit overboard" (why doesn't he talk to her when she helps him out then? Regina didn't hate Acro).
You can understand his anger, letting it out the way he did is very OTT IMO. But he wasnt a bad guy.
I just remembered the part about Regina saying people become stars when they die, Terry Pratchett's story "Wings" (part of the Truckers trilogy) says the same thing.
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I don't like this case as much as the others mainly due to the fact that I find Ben/Trilo/Regina annoyingly unhelpful during the investigation phases. Also, the high pitched voice of Money the monkey is extremely irritating and grating. But at least in this case, there isn't anybody constantly complaining at the start. :grey:
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I'm just playing the end of 2-3 now, and I do also feel very sorry for Acro, as the Ringmaster was like a father to him, should he not also be tried for wanting to kill Regina as well? As we've said though, Acro really wasn't a bad person. On the stand he's really polite. As he said though "Regina had no reason to hurt Bat" so you can't help thinking his desire to murder poor Regina is over the top :(
But I think the end of the case goes on too long, with all the arsing about making up the story with the bust and pointing out the obvious Moe didn't see a "human", and THEN working out the motive (or lack of it).
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I really liked 2-3. But then again, I like every case... Although I don't judge cases based on characters as much as I do the mystery that comes with them. And come on, it doesn't get more mysterious than a 'flying' murderer.
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I like every case as well. 2-3 was a great case. Full of plot holes, sure, but a great case!
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I think one of the reasons the case is so farfetched is to demonstrate how farfetched the circus it self can be. You have to suspend your belief to believe in the magicians, you gotta suspend your belief to believe in some of the details of this case. I felt it worked with the setting. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it...

Anyways, I didn't mind 2-3. It wasn't anything too special for me. I DID however love Regina. I totally adore cuties like that, even if they're sheltered and naive.
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I just hate Circuses in general and Regina's music makes me wanna kill myself.
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I am not fond of this case. Like others have stated, I didn't care for the characters, or the music. 2-3 felt like 1-3 all over again, but not in a good way. Of all the cases in PW, I found this one the most forgettable. Was it just me or were both Maya and Pearl incredibly annoying in this one?
Spoiler: Ending of 2-3
But, this case explained what happened to Edgey, and proved he was still alive, so there was a silver lining. :edgy:
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Pearl is always annoying.
Kind of, yeah.
And...I forgot it told us that! ...Now I HAVE to play it again T.T
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:moe: "In West Clownadelphia, born and raised, on the playground is where I spent most of my days, chillin' out max and relaxin' all cool shootin some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of clowns who were up to no good, started makin trouble in the neighborhood..."
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Steelfang wrote:
:moe: "In West Clownadelphia, born and raised, on the playground is where I spent most of my days, chillin' out max and relaxin' all cool shootin some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of clowns who were up to no good, started makin trouble in the neighborhood..."

THE NUMBER ONE REASON YOU CAN'T REALLY HATE THIS CASE PEOPLE. XD


That's still my favorite quote from the games, although "this is SPARDA" and "well we all know whose milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" are coming close.
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The best parts of 2-3 are obviously Naruhodo A. Wrighto and the double penalty.
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My main grieve about Case 2-3 is Regina and Moe. I mean, just how naive can Regina get!? Her father died and seriously I want to grab her around her neck and shake her. Is she <i>that</i> spacey?

Moe because of his A-HA! A-HA! A-HA! -ness, not to mention how I would get a penalty if I 'press' him at the wrong timing. It's not fair!

Overall, I don't hate the case, but I start to tear in my eyes when Acro cried. I don't know how to say but it makes me want to shake Regina once more.
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At the end I didn't quite understand:
Why Acro framed Max.. I know Max seemed a bit of an asshole, but its a bit much to frame them for murder!
How was Max's silk hat (the real one) found on the crime scene if Acro couldn't leave the lodging house by himself?
I think the "dead people become stars" theory is another way of believing in heaven, and Russell is watching over Regina. I think thats rather sweet. :)
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grim_tales wrote:
At the end I didn't quite understand:
Why Acro framed Max.. I know Max seemed a bit of an asshole, but its a bit much to frame them for murder!
How was Max's silk hat (the real one) found on the crime scene if Acro couldn't leave the lodging house by himself?
I think the "dead people become stars" theory is another way of believing in heaven, and Russell is watching over Regina. I think thats rather sweet. :)

- I'm pretty sure it was just a matter of convenience, with the whole bust thing, he'd be the easiest person to pin it on.
- The ringmaster was wearing the hat and cloak when he stepped out
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Fushigi Rockna wrote:
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:moe: "In West Clownadelphia, born and raised, on the playground is where I spent most of my days, chillin' out max and relaxin' all cool shootin some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of clowns who were up to no good, started makin trouble in the neighborhood..."

THE NUMBER ONE REASON YOU CAN'T REALLY HATE THIS CASE PEOPLE. XD


That's still my favorite quote from the games, although "this is SPARDA" and "well we all know whose milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" are coming close.


I have to agree that did make me laugh :D Although the Fresh Prince parody was going too fast for me to see it.
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This case is great, but lets be honest. Compared to 2-2 and 2-4, it's nothing really special... also, Pearl isn't in it, aside from the starting scenes.
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