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I'm stuck on 2-2 at the end of the trial phase (I think), in the bit where you have to say there's something wrong with the "second photo" of "Maya", where do you click? I'm sure its got to be somewhere on the costume as
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in the picture, there's no bullet hole on "Maya's" costume but Maya's real costume has a bullet hole in it.

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You're right there. Click on "Maya's" sleeve where the bullet hole should be.

Back on topic: I admit I spoiled myself just a little before playing this case, but yeah, I really like the whole Ini/Mimi revelation. There's a reason I have such a soft spot for 2-2 - it certainly made me cry the most out of all the cases I've played. ;_;
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That ending was insane. I kept of trying to prove she was lying about the car being European, and I ended up looking up a walk through, and I followed what it told me to do. I was shocked when Phoenix claimed that Ini was Mimi! That has got to be one of the most startling thing I've seen in fiction. Especially since they don't force the idea so much.
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Actually, I ended up pressing Mimi's name by accident, but in the end, I guess I was lucky.

Shocked as hell, I gotta say.
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I was shocked when locks appeared on Pearls, when I first played the case I thought she was the actual murderer at that point (or was being set up as such).
It would have been more shocking if Pearls had put the urn back together to spell "Mia" instead of "Ami".

Thanks Mimi for the 2-2 help :)
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Here's the deal:

Case 2 had the most shocking ENDING of the four cases.

Case 4 had the most shocking turn of events of the four cases.

No offense, if what made case 4 shocking happened at the end, this would be disputed like hell... but it didn't... so go case 2!!!
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Thoughts:
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Why does Mia try to protect Morgan, not really questioning the fact her aunt is a murderer? I was surprised Phoenix didn't turn on her with this (IIRC).

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grim_tales wrote:
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Why does Mia try to protect Morgan, not really questioning the fact her aunt is a murderer? I was surprised Phoenix didn't turn on her with this (IIRC).

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Mia was aware of Morgan's sad little situation and felt sorry for her. And technically, Morgan wasn't the murderer -- just an accomplice. Mia was confident Phoenix would slam Ini without needing to bring Morgan into this.

But yeah, Phoenix should've been majorly pissed when he found out. A well respected lawyer shouldn't be withholding information to protect a criminal. And not only that... Imagine if Phoenix had 'lost' the case after day one. Mia's info could've been the case-winning difference.
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DoctorDiablo wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
Thoughts:
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Why does Mia try to protect Morgan, not really questioning the fact her aunt is a murderer? I was surprised Phoenix didn't turn on her with this (IIRC).

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Mia was aware of Morgan's sad little situation and felt sorry for her. And technically, Morgan wasn't the murderer -- just an accomplice. Mia was confident Phoenix would slam Ini without needing to bring Morgan into this.

But yeah, Phoenix should've been majorly pissed when he found out. A well respected lawyer shouldn't be withholding information to protect a criminal. And not only that... Imagine if Phoenix had 'lost' the case after day one. Mia's info could've been the case-winning difference.


Conspiring to murder someone, especially if you're plotting it, makes you just as guilty of a murderer as the person who did the actual killing.
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Sure, maybe Mia felt bad for Margan, but this is MAYA in the defendants chair. I can see her hoping that Phoenix would get Ini alone, but still...
Anyways,
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Its not like Morgan likes either of them anyway.
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I actually didn't figure out the whole Ini = Mimi thing until right at the point where Phoenix says the line "Who is in the defendant's chair right now?"

JFA was actually the first phoenix game I played, and that case just made sure I loved the series right at the end it, when all was revealed.
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In the "After the Murder: Part 2" part of "Ini's" testimony (I think) what are you supposed to present?
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I suspected the ending. It came straight from an Agatha Christy plot, anyway.
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Originally, I didn't. What Agatha Christie stories do you know with that plot?
As to why Ini/Mimi wanted Grey dead, was it because
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she blamed Grey for her sisters death or more than that?

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That case is awesome, and I didn't see the ending coming at all. The case seems to end rather abruptly however-Morgan's motives aren't explained all that much.
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They're explained enough for it. It doesn't go into how they managed to get together to conspire, but we know morgan's motive in all this.

Morgan wanted Maya out of the way, so that her daughter Pearl could become the next Master instead of Maya.
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Yeah, thats basically it. Though I thought Nick/Maya would be more pissed off then they were.
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Wow. Surprisingly few of you saw the twist coming.

I dunno. I wasn't "surprised" so much as confused. But more like "Say whaaaaat?!". I think it's cause I presented the magatama before I had evidence, and Phoenix automatically went "So! I hear you got into an accident!" before I had any proof of that. Sort of the game ruining itself for me.
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I saw this twist coming as soon as I found out that Ini had undergone facial reconstruction surgery. A similar plot was used in the manga Pretty Face (guy gets his face burnt off in bus accident, goes into coma, has face restored from picture of girl in his pocket), so I made the connection pretty easily. Besides, if it really had been Ini who survived the crash, there wouldn't have been any reason for the game to make such a big deal out of the surgery.

What I'm curious about is how the surgeon managed not to notice that Mimi's hair was a completely different color from Ini's. The case's opening makes it clear that her hair wasn't burnt in the accident, which raises another question: how did Mimi's face get burned but not her hair? Mimi herself says there was a "sea of flames" around her, so I don't see how she managed to escape without even singeing her hair.
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What I'm curious about is how the surgeon managed not to notice that Mimi's hair was a completely different color from Ini's. The case's opening makes it clear that her hair wasn't burnt in the accident, which raises another question: how did Mimi's face get burned but not her hair? Mimi herself says there was a "sea of flames" around her, so I don't see how she managed to escape without even singeing her hair.
Hush now, I love that screenshot. Its obviously just there because they didnt want to draw a head that had just been burned off. just like her clothes...they are somewhat unscathed in the shot as well, which is unlikely given the circumstances.
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Just finished the case. Mimi is a sort of "bad" person, yet the case is also really sad. :( She had to kill Grey because if she hadn't he would have worked out Mimi was alive and responsible for the accident at the hospital. Mimi losing her sister was so sad :(
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About the dark figure..it's kind of a shadow, and Mimi's hair wasn't exactly dark either.
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Yeah, That was a real shocker, especially compared to the rest of the cases.
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I was completely shocked with that. I knew that the girl had done it as soon as she started the whole hat thingy but I didn't get that it was the other until that point. It shocked me and made me laugh, I don't know why.

I suppose thats what Mia means when she says to "think outside the box"...way outside.

Re: Hair color. Ini and Mimi have different colored hair? I was sure they had the same color, still my eyes are colorly-challenged so I didn't pick that up. I picked up the long hair though.
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Mimi Miney wrote:
Spoiler: 2-2 case help
You're right there. Click on "Maya's" sleeve where the bullet hole should be.

Back on topic: I admit I spoiled myself just a little before playing this case, but yeah, I really like the whole Ini/Mimi revelation. There's a reason I have such a soft spot for 2-2 - it certainly made me cry the most out of all the cases I've played. ;_;


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I admit... I wasn't really shocked. I figured Ini was the killer.... and the whole deal with Hotti having done some reconstructive surgery.... my brain went "WHOOSH!"...

I WAS shocked about being right.
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grim_tales wrote:
In the "After the Murder: Part 2" part of "Ini's" testimony (I think) what are you supposed to present?

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Press her on all her statements, then when promted ask her if she saw anything unusual on her way to the crime scene. She'll add a new statement saying she didn't see anyone on the Winding Way, at which point you present Pearl's profile.


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Originally, I didn't. What Agatha Christie stories do you know with that plot?
As to why Ini/Mimi wanted Grey dead, was it because
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she blamed Grey for her sisters death or more than that?

Spoiler: Ms Miney's motive
It was more than that, though I suspect Mimi wanted to blame someone for Ini's death as well (after accidentally killing all her patients and endangering her career, the accident must've felt too unfair on her to not have been caused by someone - just trying to get in Mimi's head there). Basically she had to kill Grey in such a particular way because he wanted to summon her spirit in order to force a confession out of her, which would mean he'd find out she was actually still alive; in other words, she was trying to protect her identity on top of getting revenge.


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Thanks for all the help there! :)
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I love yours more. <3 <3 Who drew that awesome fanart?


I actually don't know if they're a member on here, but on the PW\GS Livejournal community one of our lovely artists asked if we had any requests. Naturally I requested Mimi cause I think she's amazing and was gifted with this beautiful piece of artwork a few days later. <333
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Hell yeah definitely the most shocking twist of the whole series for me.
Chills went up my spine when Phoenix asked something like "so who is this person standing in front of us right now?" xD
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"The car was from the U.K."

Me: Uh, ok, well... HOLY FUCKING CHRIST APPLES NO WAY!!


Also, the twists in T&T will absolutely blow your mind twice
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"The car was from the U.K."

Me: Uh, ok, well... HOLY FUCKING CHRIST APPLES NO WAY!!


Also, the twists in T&T will absolutely blow your mind twice


I didn't get the UK car bit either - I kept having to visualize that everything would be the wrong way round from a US point of view - what would be the point? (I'm from the UK BTW) ;)
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Yeah, I pretty much knew it was Mimi as soon as Hotti started talking about the reconstructive surgery. "Okay, let's see, face burned beyond recognition, needed a photo of Ini to even know how to repair it, there has to be a good REASON you're given this information...waaaait a minute..."

Mimi's break still had me :larry: :larry: :larry: . Thank god for Franzy kicking Nicky boy's ass at the end to snap me out of emo mode.
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Someone mentioned before that the ending was similar to an Agatha Christie novel, but failed to elaborate. In case anyone is interested, I'll elaborate on this. Please note: I'll put the title and information under a spoiler tag, in case anyone thinks they may one day read it and prefer to be surprised.

Spoiler: Agatha Christie
The book's title is "A Murder is Announced". In it, a woman named Lettie, who is very rich, dies suddenly leaving no will. Her twin sister Lottie, an extremely poor woman in financial trouble, decides that it would be a shame to let her sister's fortune go to waste. Therefore, she pretends that it is she who has died and takes her sister's place. (This is all only revealed at the end of the novel.) Lottie then lives for many years as her sister, with only one friend who knows the truth. Eventually she has to murder her friend as well as several others to keep her secret from being revealed.


As all of this was so very similar to our Ini/Mimi case, I was not "surprised" when the ending was revealed. However, this was still a great case, with its unique PW twists.

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I kinda stared at my DS for a minute or so, all "lolwut?"

Then when Mimi went into more depth, I felt like crying at how sad it was. ;_;
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I thought when Mimi was mentioned dead in the car crash that she would have been alive and helped Ini commit the murder, but I was wrong since someone died in the crash after all. Ini did. But Mimi BEING Ini was the shock there.
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i knew the whole time that who ever ini, or technically mimi, did it. i could tell when her first psyche locks appeared.

but yeah, the whole identity was almost, if not equally as shocking as the "identity" of the defendant in 2-4
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Wow, I'm pleased to see there are so many people who liked this case. Over at GameFAQs it's usually critizied for apperently being "boring and repetitive" (it's like the only words those guys know... besides SPARTA). I for one loved this case, and I too was shocked when it came to figuring out who Ini really was. Morgan being involved was also a huge twist as well. In the end, I did feel really bad for Mimi. She was one of the few murderers that I took sympathy on... :sob:

Regarding Mia's psycho-erm, psyche locks, I don't think it was so much protecting Morgan, it might had just been the teacher testing her student. Mia needed to make sure Phoenix found out everything he needed to know about the case before the trial, so she purposely kept those secrets to make him figure it out.
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Maybe it was just me but I thought it was too predictable. As soon as I saw the picture Lotta presented I knew what happened. And also the opening sequence the girl had long hair. Not short like Ini.
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I loved the twist. The moment reconstructive surgery was mentioned, I said to myself, "Oh, THAT explains it!" It was annoying having to wait for the rest of the case to pull that one out, though.

Yet, somehow, the 'powder burns' thing in the case before threw me completely. Oh, well.

Rule: Any mention of reconstructive surgery is a Chekov's Gun moment. If it's mentioned, you know what's coming.
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I never knew what the remeniscence theme for this case was. When I read its name in the CR poll, I near about lost it again. "Scars Carved by Fire"...

now I'm depressed.
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