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Zenitora's theme was kind of nice, but I really didn't like anything else.
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Toma wrote:
I'm not liking this at all so far. The rhythm section doesn't gel very well, and the whole band is lacking swing because of it. The trumpet player's tone gets on my nerves, and most of the solos I've heard have a clunky, jerky feel to them.
Agreed totally. Man, the trumpet blows - Or at least, not up to American professional standards. Everytime it gets a solo or major performance, my ears hurt. Some high notes literally exloded.
But I love their piano.I liked the tracks as long as the trumpet does not appear as a major instrument. Loved Godot's theme, the newly vamped Big Edo Warrior and Court Begins Blue Note Scale.
I pre-ordered this already...so I will be getting it anyway. But next time if the same trumpet is playing I won't be ordering.
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I hate to say it, cos it makes me sound elitist, but I think a lot of gripes about this album are from people who aren't familiarized with the genre. A few things:
Toma wrote:
I'm not liking this at all so far. The rhythm section doesn't gel very well, and the whole band is lacking swing because of it. The trumpet player's tone gets on my nerves, and most of the solos I've heard have a clunky, jerky feel to them. I think they should have used an acoustic bass, as it sounds really thin, though that's partially the fault of the engineer, I guess.
The rhythm section takes liberties with the swing on some songs - swing is not always metrical in threes - sometimes, when it gets really fast or slow, it becomes straight, or the swing holds out for longer than you might expect. As for the trumpet player's tone, are you perhaps referring to the way it sounds in the Steel Samurai song? Because the reason for that sound is that it's using a mute - very stylistically appropriate. Lastly, they used an acoustic bass on like, half the songs.
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What's with Steel Samurai? I can't recognize any of it at all.
I liked Gyakuten meets Orchestra alot better. Alot of the 5 min songs didn't deserve the length as I got bored with the repetition. Probably streaming from not being a jazz fan but the ad lib solos were too frequent and lengthy. They strayed too far from the original to the point you don't know which track you're listening to. It was often a minute of recognizable tunes with 4 mins of jazz tacked on. Awaiting a Gyakuten meets hard rock.
I liked Gyakuten meets Orchestra alot better. Alot of the 5 min songs didn't deserve the length as I got bored with the repetition. Probably streaming from not being a jazz fan but the ad lib solos were too frequent and lengthy. They strayed too far from the original to the point you don't know which track you're listening to. It was often a minute of recognizable tunes with 4 mins of jazz tacked on. Awaiting a Gyakuten meets hard rock.
You might not be able to recognize the theme because the chords are 'jazzy' (very hard to explain without technical terms, though I could try if you like). Also, as you pointed out, the songs play the composed material (called the 'head' in jazz), go into improvised material (solo sections), and then repeat the head again and end the song. It is really bewildering at first when you start listening to jazz, but it's a taste that can be acquired.
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Agreed totally. Man, the trumpet blows - Or at least, not up to American professional standards. Everytime it gets a solo or major performance, my ears hurt. Some high notes literally exloded.
That's because that's what a trumpet sounds like at those ranges. It's akin to going into falsetto with your voice (I can try and explain that, if you don't know what it is but care to know). Either way, I hold no hopes about forcing you to like that sound; but, that's exactly what it's supposed to sound like. If you're talking about high notes in the head (the main composition, not the solos), that's the fault of the composer/arranger more than the performer.
Either way, I'm very, very pleased with this album - I remember when I first heard about it, I thought it was gonna be an album full of songs like Court Begins 1 and Edgeworth's Theme, which are nice songs, sure...but they're not really jazz - they're just what most people unfamiliar with the genre would call jazz - similar to a person calling Green Day a Punk Rock band...It's what a person who hasn't listened to a lot of punk would call Green Day, but it's definitely not (For the record, I do like Green Day, just to dispel as many notions of elitism as I can). Either way, I love this album.
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I uploaded it to the usual place - http://www.finalturnabout.com/music/gmjs.php
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Kinda hard to listen to it in one sitting though.
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Everything else was really nice, though. And is it just me, or is the beginning of Minuki's theme really similar to Melissa's theme in Hotel Dusk?
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Oh well, the non-forumers will have to go without until Wednesday. Lesse if I can get this hunk of junk computer to download it...
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Finally, someone found a rip! Thanks a lot for being far better with Winny than I'll ever be, musouka!
I uploaded it to the usual place - http://www.finalturnabout.com/music/gmjs.php
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Thanks Dax! I've been waiting for this 4 ages!
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I just cried listening to Great Edo Warrior.
Does that make me a girl?
I may not seem it, but I'm actually rather hot... in a strange way.
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I liked the Silver Samurai song, but I did not care to much for the rest.
I kinda liked the Godot theme, but since I have not played PW3, I have no nostalgia attatched to the song, wich would probably make me love it.
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Skankin' Garbage wrote:
Naila wrote:
Agreed totally. Man, the trumpet blows - Or at least, not up to American professional standards. Everytime it gets a solo or major performance, my ears hurt. Some high notes literally exloded.
That's because that's what a trumpet sounds like at those ranges. It's akin to going into falsetto with your voice (I can try and explain that, if you don't know what it is but care to know). Either way, I hold no hopes about forcing you to like that sound; but, that's exactly what it's supposed to sound like. If you're talking about high notes in the head (the main composition, not the solos), that's the fault of the composer/arranger more than the performer.
Falsetto is a beautiful voice variation that will makes the entire music sound more thrilling and Romantic, not something to disturb listeners' ears. (Or maybe there is a Jazz definition for falsetto there?
) I admit I am an audiophile and no trumpet player, which makes my thoughts sound somewhat leaning towards the picky snob league to you. But I do have a quite a big trumpet CD library, both Jazz and Classical, and had been to the Jazz concerts at the Walt Disney Music Hall a few times, plus some music school Jazz concerts, and none of them sound like this cringy. If it is not the player's fault , then that trumpet itself is not up to standard. (which I can hardly believe)
So no, it is not what it supposed to sound like. Maybe it is above your bar, but certainly not mine. (And yes, I am very hard to please music-wise) You also should start to respect different PoV on this CD and agree to disagree, the "you guys know nothing about Jazz" condescending tone is totally unneeded.
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Skankin' Garbage wrote:
The rhythm section takes liberties with the swing on some songs - swing is not always metrical in threes - sometimes, when it gets really fast or slow, it becomes straight, or the swing holds out for longer than you might expect. As for the trumpet player's tone, are you perhaps referring to the way it sounds in the Steel Samurai song? Because the reason for that sound is that it's using a mute - very stylistically appropriate. Lastly, they used an acoustic bass on like, half the songs.
When I said "swing" I wasn't really talking about the metrical division of the beat, I just meant it doesn't really feel right to listen to. It's like the band is paying more attention to the conductor rather than listening to each other. The best tracks, for me, are the ones with less jazz influence (YG ending, Great Revival). I guess the trumpet player isn't too bad, his/her tone is just very bright.
And yeah, I was wrong about the bass. Though that acoustic almost sounds like a synth...
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Toma wrote:
When I said "swing" I wasn't really talking about the metrical division of the beat, I just meant it doesn't really feel right to listen to. It's like the band is paying more attention to the conductor rather than listening to each other. The best tracks, for me, are the ones with less jazz influence (YG ending, Great Revival). I guess the trumpet player isn't too bad, his/her tone is just very bright.
And yeah, I was wrong about the bass. Though that acoustic almost sounds like a synth...
And yeah, I was wrong about the bass. Though that acoustic almost sounds like a synth...
I keep wondering if it is the recording technique lowered the quality of this collection, but I am no expert in that...
Back to the trumpet...I would not say it is bright- rather high-pitched and pushing the player's limit very often so it does not have the large volume and pure tone it should have, instead hitting the notes with constrained power, sounding high, sometimes big, but coarse. (like a soprano singing higher than her range and had to weaken her voice with a forced falsetto) Because of that, the transition was not smooth enough to create that Jazz flair I love. (Zenitora's theme is a good one, though)
Skankin' Garbage's comment about keys not within comfortable range might have some truth.
Skankin' Garbage,
Aboout my CDs, mostly collections I can't list every player's name, within my bad memory there are Armstrong, Mike Vax(loved him), Kevin Clark...I do have all Wynton Marsalis(big fan of his Baroque) and Chris Botti's(a bit too pop, but works) music, had seen their live too...Of course, they are not a fair comparison to this. Armstrong's trumpet sounds more crisp and higher than others, not ear-cringy at all. Recently there is a woman's classical Bach CD is quite good, but I forgot her name.
I really want to agree with you that notes being set too high for the trumpet...but from the Chinese music samples they put on their website, the trumpet's sound is quite consistant with this CD. So guess I am just one snobby fan he/she could not get.
Not to condemn the entire CD - as I said, there are tracks I loved.
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I didn't like Godots theme. You can't jazzify an already jazzy theme. That will only end up with a jazzy theme with holes in it. They went QUITE overboard with it - but I DO like some of them - like Magic Child, Swingin' Zanitora and Turnabout Revival - End.
As has been said, the off-off-beatishnes ended up simply being random most of the time and lowered the overall QUALITY of the music itself. Really odd thing to do
To comment on the vilining - why didn't they just lower the tones an octave or two? Can't be that terribly hard, can it?
Best song: Great Revival
Worst song: Tie between Steel Samurai and Godot's theme.
Overall album: 4.5/10. Nothing special, and I don't like jazz that much.
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It needs more scat.
No, it needs more cowbells!
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Might have underestimated the music a little, sounds alright when I listen to it more. I still don't like Jazz, though.
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Godot's theme was just....*3* Ee. I can't even describe it.
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Great Revival lost its power to me because I couldn't stare at Edgeworth's face. Without him all versions of the song fall flat. With him, it brings a sense of utter awesome.
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And it made me just try and make my own Film Noir-esque PW version in my head >.>
Minuki's theme was corrupt for me :(
I REALLY liked Godot/Steel Samurai. Zenitora and Great Revival were pretty cool too I guess.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Godot's theme needs to be played in a smoky bar with a husky-voiced female singer (a la Norah Jones) singing over it. That's SO the feeling it gives me.
Minuki's theme was corrupt for me :(
Minuki's theme was corrupt for me :(
Minuki's theme? Corrupt? How? Why...?
I actually liked it... It felt like it belonged in Shaman King, for some reason, but I liked it anyway. :/
The album itself wasn't that bad; Zenitora's theme was nice... But yeah, I have to agree with Godot's theme... Really felt like it should be in a smokey pub, alright. -.-
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It really makes me want to go down to the bar district, find a hazy, smoke-filled pub with a live band and smoke a cigarette while nursing a drink. And I don't even smoke, dammit. (Godot's theme, that is)
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
The file was just messed up and wouldn't unzip, something went wrong with the download, I guess.
That's funny... The Minuki Theme I downloaded wasn't corrupt at all. Did you try downloading it separately? That should do the trick. Just right-click and choose "Save Target As". As far as I know, I've never gotten any corrupt sound files by downloading that way. :/
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It really makes me want to go down to the bar district, find a hazy, smoke-filled pub with a live band and smoke a cigarette while nursing a drink. And I don't even smoke, dammit. (Godot's theme, that is)
Quoted for the truth.
I was actually drinking coffee when I first listened to it, and thought, "How suitable". Of course, I don't smoke and I ain't old enough to get friggen drunk yet, but meh. :P
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Though one thing I noticed - and was quite amused by it, was that the few people I know who were either music majors - or had years of music studies appreciated and absolutely loved both the jazz and orchestra album. I read a lot of negative comments regarding the orchestra album when it first came out, and how the Cadenza fanmix was far "better" than the orchestra album. Though the people who had years of musical trainings actually didn't really cared for the Cadenza mixes... There's no right or wrong music to listen to - basically one listens to whatever floats one's boat. But most people are used to up-beat, high tempo pieces, and listen to whatever appeal to them initially. Very few individuals would go one step further and listen to the various voices, repeating themes, etc.. That's why I think those who had the proper trainings would know how to appreciate both the orchestra and jazz albums, because they know what to look for - or what jumps out at them better than an Average Joe.
Another thing is - I haven't really read that many negative comments about both Odoroki and Minuki's themes. I believe that's because the orchestra album and the jazz album are the only places anyone had listened to the whole theme. With the other pieces - some people have already made some sort of expectation - the pieces have to sound in a certain way or it would sound "bad". When the impression is ingrained into your head and a new arrangement doesn't sound like what you're used to - most people would naturally reject it. It's just like the names of the characters - once you're used to their Japanese counterparts, it's difficult for some to like the localised names initially... But I digressed...
Personally, I think the best player was the piano/synth player - but that could be a bit bias on my end since I'm a piano player... The percussion section sounds stronger - and the quality is more consistent than the brass section...
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I kind of liked the album as a whole, but not really for being PW songs. I liked it for being, well, nice to listen to on their own merits, but they don't really bring to mind anything about the games. Possibly because of that, I've been listening to Minuki's theme on loop, and it's pretty much my favourite track of them all.
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i'm not very professional, but my band teacher back in middle school got me into playing chords and jazz. although we didn't get very far, him and my piano teacher had both instilled in me an extreme appreciation for music.
...leading up to:
OMGSH I LOVE THIS ALBUM.
Minuki's theme is so adorable<3 i'd really like to listen to it in the real game.
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As for Godot's theme, last night I left it on while I slept. I swear, it is the most relaxing song ever...especially this version because of the lazy vibe it gives off. <3
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Turnabout_Stud wrote:
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Totally.Overall, it isn't terrible, but it isn't all that great either. I'm not your biggest jazz fan, and honestly, there were songs with whole parts I couldn't recognize, so.... eh. I'll definitely keep listening to it, but in my opinion, the orchestrated music is much better.
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I can't stop dancing, dammit....
I played piano jazz musics recently, so I became... *sort of but not really* addicted to jazz musics..
I love Great Revival... lol
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Film noir Steel Samurai...?
YES PLOZ.
Hahaha, I'm not exactly good with jazz, so I couldn't even pick out the Steel Samurai tune in the whole song.
Although my love for the orchestrated album has yet to be unseated, I definately like this CD too! Just...not as much.
And thanks to everyone that uploaded it!
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